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Hank Chinaski 10-27-2005 08:41 AM

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/27/in...html?th&emc=th
  • U.N. to Detail Kickbacks Paid for Iraq's Oil

    UNITED NATIONS, Oct. 26 - More than 4,500 companies took part in the United Nations oil-for-food program and more than half of them paid illegal surcharges and kickbacks to Saddam Hussein, according to the independent committee investigating the program.

    The country with the most companies involved in the program was Russia, followed by France, the committee says in a report to be released Thursday.

Wow. That surprising.

dtb 10-27-2005 10:36 AM

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Harriet Miers withdraws her nomination. President Bush "reluctantly" accepts it.

SlaveNoMore 10-27-2005 10:48 AM

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dtb
Harriet Miers withdraws her nomination.
What do I win?

spookyfish 10-27-2005 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What do I win?
Alberto Gonzales?

Gattigap 10-27-2005 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by dtb
Harriet Miers withdraws her nomination. President Bush "reluctantly" accepts it.

Moral of the Story: Harry Reid? Evil Genius.

Penske_Account 10-27-2005 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What do I win?
The same thing as the country, a chance for a righteous nominee and justice. Woo hoo. The Babyjesuschristsuperstar has scored a major victory here.

Bloated drunkard killer Ted Kennedy is on Today right now bloviating his foul spewings. Apparently he claims that a litmus test is wrong. Remember that liberals!!

SlaveNoMore 10-27-2005 11:14 AM

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Alberto Gonzales?
Nah, as much as I want Luttig, I'm now going with Ted Olson

taxwonk 10-27-2005 11:22 AM

Bush Administration Braces for the Large Sex Toy of Unpleasantness
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
Haven't the KGB archives shown that most suspected communists during the fifties actually were communists and were part of communist cells?
No. I think you're thinking of the J. Edgar Hoover files. You know, the secret ones burned along with his dress collection.

spookyfish 10-27-2005 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Nah, as much as I want Luttig, I'm now going with Ted Olson
Is Olson a "caretaker" justice then, kind of like the current Pope, because he's pretty old, isn't he?

Penske_Account 10-27-2005 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Nah, as much as I want Luttig, I'm now going with Ted Olson
Janice Rogers Brown or Edith Jones.

Secret_Agent_Man 10-27-2005 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/27/in...html?th&emc=th
  • U.N. to Detail Kickbacks Paid for Iraq's Oil

    UNITED NATIONS, Oct. 26 - More than 4,500 companies took part in the United Nations oil-for-food program and more than half of them paid illegal surcharges and kickbacks to Saddam Hussein, according to the independent committee investigating the program.

    The country with the most companies involved in the program was Russia, followed by France, the committee says in a report to be released Thursday.

Wow. That surprising.
You know, sometimes I read these things you guys post, and I wonder what's the point, are you sending messages to each other in code? Jihad starts tonight?

S_A_M

taxwonk 10-27-2005 11:28 AM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
What I find so interesting about the McCarthy era is:

1) The house of unamerican activities was originally started to ferret out Nazi and Nazi sympathysers. How come no ones has ever complained about any Nazis that were "Blacklisted".

2) The people that were investigated were never thrown in jail. When they were blacklisted that meant that certain employers, if they knew they were communist, would not employ them. But would anyone complain if they did that with Nazi's? Would Warner Brothers be condemned today if it had fired anyone it suspected of being a Nazi in the 1950s?

3) During WWII thousands of Germans were throwin into camps without trial because they might have ties to the German government. How come no one complains about that?

4) If it was OK to throw Nazi sympathysers in jail without a trial during WWII, why was it not OK for the US to throw communist sympathisers in jail during the Korean War when we were fighting communists?

In my mind the term Nazi and Communist are interchangeable. When people complain about Communist witch hunts, I won't ever take them seriously unless they also talk about Nazi witch hunts.
I think you are completely wrong if you think that nobody decries the internment of both Japanese and German Americans during WWII. Many Americans view that as one of the darkest periods of our modern history.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-27-2005 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What do I win?
More Miers.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-27-2005 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What do I win?
What are they currently giving away for correctly predicting the sun will rise tomorrow?

sebastian_dangerfield 10-27-2005 12:03 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
What I find so interesting about the McCarthy era is:

1) The house of unamerican activities was originally started to ferret out Nazi and Nazi sympathysers. How come no ones has ever complained about any Nazis that were "Blacklisted".

2) The people that were investigated were never thrown in jail. When they were blacklisted that meant that certain employers, if they knew they were communist, would not employ them. But would anyone complain if they did that with Nazi's? Would Warner Brothers be condemned today if it had fired anyone it suspected of being a Nazi in the 1950s?

3) During WWII thousands of Germans were throwin into camps without trial because they might have ties to the German government. How come no one complains about that?

4) If it was OK to throw Nazi sympathysers in jail without a trial during WWII, why was it not OK for the US to throw communist sympathisers in jail during the Korean War when we were fighting communists?

In my mind the term Nazi and Communist are interchangeable. When people complain about Communist witch hunts, I won't ever take them seriously unless they also talk about Nazi witch hunts.
I think McCarthy is fascinating because never before had a demented alcoholic channeled his obvious disease into such a monstrous power grab. Hitler was crazier than shit, but he wasn't a drunk. To think that McCarthy held the country in a white knuckle grip while simultaneously holding a fifth of Dewars in a similar grip is amazing. I like to drink, and I could never get as far as McCarthy. I'd collapse under the weight of my own indulgences on the way up. I'd sell out and join a lobbying firm and fritter away my days didling secretaries.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-27-2005 12:04 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
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Originally posted by taxwonk
I think you are completely wrong if you think that nobody decries the internment of both Japanese and German Americans during WWII. Many Americans view that as one of the darkest periods of our modern history.
Just below disco and tab collars.

Hank Chinaski 10-27-2005 12:21 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I think McCarthy is fascinating because never before had a demented alcoholic channeled his obvious disease into such a monstrous power grab. Hitler was crazier than shit, but he wasn't a drunk. To think that McCarthy held the country in a white knuckle grip while simultaneously holding a fifth of Dewars in a similar grip is amazing.
You may want to go back and read my early days on the PB when I would actually engage with these twits. Wouldn't use Dewars for anything other than rinsing my mouth though.

Spanky 10-27-2005 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
I think you are completely wrong if you think that nobody decries the internment of both Japanese and German Americans during WWII. Many Americans view that as one of the darkest periods of our modern history.
I hear about the Japanese all the time but never about the Germans. The Japanese was clearly bad because all Japanese were thrown in. Not all Americans of German decent were thrown in but many were thrown in without a trial. I have never heard anyone condemn that.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-27-2005 12:30 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
I hear about the Japanese all the time but never about the Germans. The Japanese was clearly bad because all Japanese were thrown in. Not all Americans of German decent were thrown in but many were thrown in without a trial. I have never heard anyone condemn that.
The issue in Korematsu etc. was not that it was done without a trial but that it was done solely on race, and a presumption that someone of a particular race posed a threat. If not all Germans were put in camps, presumably someone was being selective. And presumably they had a non-arbitrary basis for selection.

The issue of no trial is of course a fair one. We're still trying to figure it out today with respect to gitmo.

SlaveNoMore 10-27-2005 12:35 PM

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Is Olson a "caretaker" justice then, kind of like the current Pope, because he's pretty old, isn't he?
He'll appease all the conservative types and is very confirmable.

And yes, it is preferable to go younger.

SlaveNoMore 10-27-2005 12:37 PM

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What are they currently giving away for correctly predicting the sun will rise tomorrow?
A set of steak knives.

Third prize is you're fired.

Sparklehorse 10-27-2005 12:44 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
I hear about the Japanese all the time but never about the Germans. The Japanese was clearly bad because all Japanese were thrown in. Not all Americans of German decent were thrown in but many were thrown in without a trial. I have never heard anyone condemn that.
This may be because the Germans of concern were predominantly on the East Coast and you live in the middle of the area from which the majority of the Japanese-Americans were removed.

There's also some difference of scale -- a quick google reveals 11,000 German-Americans interned and 120,000 Japanese-Americans.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-27-2005 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by spookyfish
Alberto Gonzales?
Depends. If Fitz indicts, then Bush may not go with Alberto, because he won't want the controversy/fight. If Fitz acquits, I think Alberto gets the nod, and Bush enjoys a hhuge fucking resurgence from the depths. Expect a press conf with a smiling Bush saying "Its a new day," and patting Gonzales on the back.

ltl/fb 10-27-2005 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Depends. If Fitz indicts, then Bush may not go with Alberto, because he won't want the controversy/fight. If Fitz acquits, I think Alberto gets the nod, and Bush enjoys a hhuge fucking resurgence from the depths. Expect a press conf with a smiling Bush saying "Its a new day," and patting Gonzales on the back.
Do they seriously think that having the withdrawal today will in any way distract people from indictments, if any are issued? Sheesh.

ETA what a disappointment -- when I posted this, I thought today was Friday already. Damn.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-27-2005 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Depends. If Fitz indicts, then Bush may not go with Alberto, because he won't want the controversy/fight. If Fitz acquits, I think Alberto gets the nod, and Bush enjoys a hhuge fucking resurgence from the depths. Expect a press conf with a smiling Bush saying "Its a new day," and patting Gonzales on the back.
Interesting take, but doesn't it go the other way? If Rove/Libby is indicted, Bush's "political capital" is further diminished. Gonzalez apparently is palatable to the Senate, and so would be more confirmable (and he had nothing to do with the leak). If no indictment, the cloud is lifted and Bush may have renewed energy to fight for someone like Owen or Clement, or one of Penske's wackos.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-27-2005 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Do they seriously think that having the withdrawal today will in any way distract people from indictments, if any are issued? Sheesh.

ETA what a disappointment -- when I posted this, I thought today was Friday already. Damn.
No, but better today before the indictments than after when it looks like she was pulled for that reason rather than the fig leaf of executive privilege and documents.

SlaveNoMore 10-27-2005 01:14 PM

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.... or one of Penske's wackos.
Alito, Luttig, McConnell, Brown, Jones et. al. are "wackos"???

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-27-2005 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Alito, Luttig, McConnell, Brown, Jones et. al. are "wackos"???
Brown yes. And the rest of them were down around 10-15 on his list.

spookyfish 10-27-2005 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Interesting take, but doesn't it go the other way? If Rove/Libby is indicted, Bush's "political capital" is further diminished. Gonzalez apparently is palatable to the Senate, and so would be more confirmable (and he had nothing to do with the leak). If no indictment, the cloud is lifted and Bush may have renewed energy to fight for someone like Owen or Clement, or one of Penske's wackos.
FWIW, I completely agree with this reasoning.

Spanky 10-27-2005 01:39 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
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Originally posted by Sparklehorse
This may be because the Germans of concern were predominantly on the East Coast and you live in the middle of the area from which the majority of the Japanese-Americans were removed.

There's also some difference of scale -- a quick google reveals 11,000 German-Americans interned and 120,000 Japanese-Americans.
What was done to the Japanese sucked and was wrong. No question. But that is a side issue.

The point is that during WWII, any German that might have Nazi sympathies was thrown into a concentration camp by the US government. In addition, Nazi sympathisers were interviewed and asked their political views during the 1930s when we were not at war. Not a complaint from the liberals.

During the Korean War, when American fighter planes were being shot down by Soviets, and we were fighting the Chinese communists on the ground and there was a massive espionage campaign by the Soviets in the United States, some hollywood employees had to face a committee and lost their jobs because of their affiliation with the communist party. A party that was siding with the North Koreans against the United State and was being run by Moscow. And this was the crime of the century? This was a witch hunt?

Nothing happened to these people. If they had worked for me I would have fired them and told everyone I knew not to hire them.

Captain 10-27-2005 01:48 PM

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When was the last time a President couldn't get a Senate controlled by his own party to confirm a S.Ct. appointment? Roosevelt?

Penske_Account 10-27-2005 02:04 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Just below disco and tab collars.
2.

Penske_Account 10-27-2005 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
He'll appease all the conservative types and is very confirmable.

And yes, it is preferable to go younger.
I invented nominating Olson as the safe choice.

SlaveNoMore 10-27-2005 02:07 PM

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Captain
When was the last time a President couldn't get a Senate controlled by his own party to confirm a S.Ct. appointment? Roosevelt?
1) When was the last time a President nominated such an obviously unqualified crony to the position?

2) The harping from the Left makes it clear that either (a) they are royally upset that they couldn't derail her themselves during public hearings, or, more likely (b) they are disgusted because the conservative outcry against a Bush nominee flies directly in the face of their constant accusations that the GOP follows every Bush word like a bunch of lemmings.

Penske_Account 10-27-2005 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Brown yes. And the rest of them were down around 10-15 on his list.
You are a fucking liar. Care to retract that post?

Penske_Account 10-27-2005 02:12 PM

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FWIW, I completely agree with this reasoning.
Congrats you and cooter can keep yourselves company in loserland. Say hi to Chuckie Schumer.

The babyjesi have shown their power. Bush gives us a conservative anti-Roe proponent or he gets cockblocked again@@!

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-27-2005 02:16 PM

Cooter, you are better than that
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
You are a fucking liar. Care to retract that post?
I am neither. I have a bad recollection. But you ought to look at your original list, which had a lot more names on it.

Sexual Harassment Panda 10-27-2005 02:16 PM

Just Curious
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
2) The harping from the Left makes it clear that either (a) they are royally upset that they couldn't derail her themselves during public hearings, or, more likely (b) they are disgusted because the conservative outcry against a Bush nominee flies directly in the face of their constant accusations that the GOP follows every Bush word like a bunch of lemmings.
I really was unaware of much harping from the "Left", whomever is encompassed by that term. There seemed to have been much greater and vocal opposition from the religious wingnuts, who were licking their chops over the possibility of a "final showdown" with the liberals over the SCOTUS nomination in the Senate.

Penske_Account 10-27-2005 02:17 PM

I have here in my hand a list of 242 card-carrying members . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
What was done to the Japanese sucked and was wrong. No question. But that is a side issue.

The point is that during WWII, any German that might have Nazi sympathies was thrown into a concentration camp by the US government. In addition, Nazi sympathisers were interviewed and asked their political views during the 1930s when we were not at war. Not a complaint from the liberals.

During the Korean War, when American fighter planes were being shot down by Soviets, and we were fighting the Chinese communists on the ground and there was a massive espionage campaign by the Soviets in the United States, some hollywood employees had to face a committee and lost their jobs because of their affiliation with the communist party. A party that was siding with the North Koreans against the United State and was being run by Moscow. And this was the crime of the century? This was a witch hunt?

Nothing happened to these people. If they had worked for me I would have fired them and told everyone I knew not to hire them.
The bottom line is, who cares? It's time for real Americans to rally around the President in his war on Terror. Instead of worrying about past enemies we need to worry about putting the same type of hurt we put on the Nazis and Japanites onto the Syrians, Iranians and radical Islamists, including but not limited to the Gitmo detainees.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-27-2005 02:21 PM

Just Curious
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
1) When was the last time a President nominated such an obviously unqualified crony to the position?
1991.
Before that,
1972.


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