Another Flip Flop
 

And I bitched about it at the time. http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/cl...?msg_id=000Vzs

(And whoa on the time machine ride to get to that post. I'd forgotten about a lot of posters...)

Another Flip Flop
 

But that's not what he said. He said he would have supported even with out WMD. That seems inconsistent with his prior statements re misleading into war. If WMD was irrelevant to the decision, than any alledged misleading should also be irrevelevant.

2.

Another Flip Flop
 

Yes. That position is absolutely coherent. If you think not, please reread what you wrote and think about it hard.

What you're objecting to is that Kerry's trying hard to have it both ways -- just like most politicians. However, that doesn't make the position incoherent, or a flip-flop.

For instance: Say some acquaintance/friend made up some excuse about an emergency to get you to lend him fifty bucks. In truth, he just wanted to buy beer for a party, but had blown all his cash at the bars last weekend. Your friend has misled you into giving him fifty bucks. However, it is not incoherent for you to say that you'd have given him the money anyhow, if you had known the truth. [But that he is an untrustworthy dick for misleading you.]

S_A_M

Bush on Trabal Sovernty
 

This makes it so much clearer.

Spree disclosure: mp3 file of W answering a question that probably strayed from the talking points the questioner had been given.

http://www.majorityreportradio.com/w...overeignty.mp3

The [Dis]organized GOP
 

In point of fact, you and AG misunderstand each other frequently, and then fill in the blanks you see in each other's posts.

I, OTOH, can communicate with almost all factions on the Board, because I am both an egghead and a Man of the People.

S_A_M

The "Keyes" to the election. Get it? [Chuckle, chuckle [snort]]
 

Sometimes, Hank, you remind me of my children. They find themselves fascinated with a new toy or tv show, and it becomes an obssession with them. They can't tear themsleves away from it, long after the thrill would have worn off for a person with the slightest shred of maturity.

On the other hand, the kids still have time to grow up.

US Soldier in Iraq blog
 

If you haven't read this yet, do it now. The guy doesn't know if he's going to keep the site up or not. It's far and away the best war blog I've read. His account of a battle on Aug. 5 in Mosul had me glued to the monitor.

http://cbftw.blogspot.com/

The "Keyes" to the election. Get it? [Chuckle, chuckle [snort]]
 

You realize this statement, if true, makes you a shipwreck of a parent. "Hank" sure as shit does not remind me of any person I have a hand in raising.

2. Worse, for the future, is that while I surely won't become more mature, I may very well get senile- soon. Thus, the pettiness and nastiness will only increase in the future until I explode one day. Supernova.

Another Flip Flop
 

Under a containment policy, it makes sense for Congress to give the President the power to go to war in Iraq, but it also makes sense for the President to decline to do so when the inspections don't turn up any WMD. Sidd, you're forgetting that the congressional vote was well before the war started.

Another Flip Flop
 

Golly, Hank, your half-assed musings are much more persuasive than any blogger. Nice work.

The post about Bush's straddles was really for club, since he gets exercised when Kerry does that kind of stuff. But I know you don't like to be ignored.

You don't care what he would do differently. You're not going to vote for him. You want him to say it in more detail because you want to be able to attack him for it. Bush is not getting more popular, so you're hoping Kerry will say things to hurt himself.

Read his campaign site. There's a lot of really specific stuff there that the media doesn't bother to cover.

Another Flip Flop
 

Um, yes. I realize that. That's why I'm saying I'd be happier if he'd said what I said instead of what you say he said. I thought I said that.


It is not the flip-flop the Repubs claim it to be. There is nothing inconsistent about the statement "X lied about his reasons to get public support for his decision, but the decision itself was the right one." I don't think that statement applies to the war in Iraq (the first part does, not the second), but that's neither here nor there.

I mean, if you could actually show -- as some believe -- that FDR allowed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor so he could get the US into WWII, would that be irrelevant? Even if you thought the US was right to fight against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?

Another Flip Flop
 

I'm not forgetting anything. If your argument is correct, then Clinton was a fool for not seeking the power to go to war in Iraq during all the time that he pursued the containment policy.

Clinton wasn't a fool. He knew there was no reason to ask for the power to go to war. Until a reason for war existed, there was no reason to ask for the power.

And no reason to grant it.

Another Flip Flop
 

The role of Congress and the President are fundamentally different. Kerry was a senator, but you guys are treating his vote on the resolution authorizing the president to go to war as if it were something different -- the decision to go to war itself. As Kerry was defending how he voted: "Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry said on Monday he would have voted for the congressional resolution authorizing force against Iraq...."

I don't understand why he would have voted for the resolution even if he had known no weapons would be found -- it moots my point about inspections -- but maybe that's in a part of the article club didn't post. [eta: The original Reuters article suggests that his reasoning is that it would have been a sufficient reason to give the president war power to prevent Iraq from developing WMD, but it's not at all clear.]

For sebby
 

Because I know he likes to discuss Scooter . . .

Time reporter to be jailed on contempt charges

Looks like eventually Robert Novak will get his turn to sing, either like a man or like someone's bitch.

For sebby
 

But will he? If Russert's decided that his ethical obligations stop at the jailhouse door, I wonder if they'll ever get around to writing out that subpoena for Novak (though he deserves it more than these two).