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Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

Interesting Perspective

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 502936)

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reason...e-talks-about/

TM

Okay, but Charles Murray will tell you that hard work and families are values that are actually better expressed in those blue areas.

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 502936)

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reason...e-talks-about/

TM

Well, yeah, except for the rural areas that are heavily minority in the South and Southwest, and a few other places, and except for large sections of the more "urban" burbs that are full of reds....

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 502935)

[Trumpy]

Look at those perfect, tiny-fingered, P-grabbing hands!

It's James Brown Thursday on the Daily Dose. For your listening pleasure, Brother Rapp, Pts. 1 and 2. The Collins brothers keep the groove flowing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-NqaT75Xkc

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 502937)

Okay, but Charles Murray will tell you that hard work and families are values that are actually better expressed in those blue areas.

what does this mean?

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Paul Ryan's Song

First they game for the immigrants,
And I did nothing because immigrants vote Dem anyways,
Then they came for the trans,
And I did nothing because, hey, trans?! Ick.
Then they came for voting rights,
And I gave a hand because, hey, blacks voting can't be good,
Then they came for the women,
And I did nothing because repeal the 19th has a nice ring to it,
Then they came for the Republicans...
What!!! Wait a minute! Oh Shit!

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 502941)

what does this mean?

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Looking at America Mr. Murray sees a country increasingly polarized into two culturally and geographically isolated demographics. In Belmont, the fictional name Mr. Murray gives to the part of America where the top 20 percent live, divorce is low, the work ethic is strong, religious observance is high, and out-of-wedlock births are all but unheard of. Meanwhile in Fishtown, where the bottom 30 percent live, what Mr. Murray calls America’s four “founding virtues” — marriage, industriousness, community and faith — have all but collapsed.

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 502943)

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Murray's right, but his geography's off a bit. The affluent everywhere are doing better because, as I think he cites elsewhere in his explanation, they engage in assortative mating.

With the exception of one night stands and Vegas, social climbers don't fuck downward. When committing, they demand the badges telecasting a spouse of equal footing on the social ladder. This phenomenon obviously isn't limited to cities.

We're segregating into a top 20-30% and a bottom 70-80%. We all kind of knew this for a long time, but the demarcation is becoming steeper, and Trump's put a hell of a spotlight on it.

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 502901)

So I forget who it was, Thurgreed maybe, who was so certain that despite me talking a big game against Trump I would vote for him anyway, that needless to say, I am not voting Trump. I would have voted Libertarian if the Libertarians had nominated someone who is actually Libertarian, but I can't bring myself to vote Johnson/Weld either. I looked at the Constitution Party too, and unfortunately they have some ideas that are totally crackpot in their platform, even by my standards.

So, for anyone waiting on pins and needles, Evan McMullin has qualified as a write-in candidate in Texas, so that's the only thing I can do in good conscience. I hope I can figure out how to actually do a write in on the machine, since this will only be my second time not voting straight party, and my vote for Nader was absentee, IIRC. I'm going to vote on the first day of early voting, as always, and then hope that I can be in a coma or something until 2020.

I no longer consider myself to be R at all, so I will have to do a bit of work on the down ballot races as well to determine the best candidate.

I know it won't make a difference, but I have to try... So, um, please vote for Johnson. Pretty please?

He's polling nationally at 9%. If he can get into double digits, that's a huge boost to Libertarianism. Sure, he's not a real Libertarian. I get that. But nobody is. Nobody's a "real" anything because govt inevitably requires compromise. Every vote for Johnson (or Stein, is you've Green sympathies) is a vote against the two party system that's given us this pair of deplorable pieces of shit from which to choose.

McMullin is a bespoke Utah candidate. A vote for him is a novelty vote. It is truly throwing away your ballot. Johnson and Weld may not be exactly what you demand or expect, but they're closer than anybody else on the stage, and they get that word we're all forgetting... that word that progressives and right-wingers ignore... back into the election lexicon: "Liberty."

I'm happily and proudly voting for Johnson, clueless as he might be. I'd implore you to do the same. Because in case you aren't paying attention, you have a quasi-criminal statist cipher running against a con man with dictatorial leanings. You think it's going to get any better next cycle? You probably think the choice couldn't be any shittier than these two. You're wrong. It can, and it will. If a third party doesn't emerge, we're fucked. Johnson and Stein are carrying the flags of the only alternative parties which can put reasonable numbers on the board. I view the decision to vote for one of the two of them as the only logical and ethically defensible choice.

Johnson 2016. Or Stein 2016. Do what you know is right.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502954)

I will say that I struggled really hard with voting Johnson. The Libertarians that I do like acknowledge that he sucks (though Weld is worse) and have begged me to vote for him to help the cause of Libertarianism in the future. Seriously, if they'd nominated Peterson, or even Ron Paul, I'd be all over it. No promises, but it remains a persuasive argument that I will continue to consider. Either way, my vote won't matter, but I also would like the Libertarians to be motivated to nominate a better candidate. It's not even the Aleppo stuff, it's just seems that Johnson doesn't appear to 'get' a lot of Libertarian values.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502945)

Murray's right, but his geography's off a bit.

He's right that the stereotype of amoral affluence is wrong. He's wrong about everything else.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502954)

Every vote for Johnson (or Stein, is you've Green sympathies) is a vote against the two party system

You wild-eyed optimist, you.

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If a third party doesn't emerge, we're fucked.

The only way a third party will emerge is if conservatives leave the GOP to the Trumpist racists. Which will mean ceding a bunch of elections to the Dems for awhile.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502954)

This is why there will never be a successful American third party, other than one that is stepping into a void left by one of the two main parties disintegrating.

Third party voters are a very dispersed lot. Mormon conservatives sure ain't libertarians sure ain't vac-truther eco-nuts sure ain't alt-right neo-nazis (who will be back to third party wanna bes if they fail in their current quest to take over the Rs).

At the end of the day, they're all irrelevant, interesting mostly as curiosities.