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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
And his family doesn't serve him pie.

He's the type of person that ruins the profession for normal people. If he sets the bar, what normal person wants to jump over it?

2. Worse is we know he's not the exception. He may not be the majority (although he may), but certainly he represents a sizable chunk, at least relative to certain types of firms/areas of practice. And what comes around goes around, i.e. he's training his young charges or senior charges to train their mid level charages to train their young charges to be overworking maniacs too.

I hung out with a gaggle of business guys/Wharton MBAs a few weekends ago at a male bonding retreat in the Catskills. Median income was probably $700k. When we discussed work and hours etc they all laughed at and berated me. Law sucks.

Penske_Account

09-25-2006 01:56 PM

I hate law, part 793

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Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Big 2. Even in sleepy, family-friendly Beervana, there are too many of his type in the law game.

Mcbeaver? Say it ain't it so!~?!?

Hank Chinaski

09-25-2006 02:08 PM

I hate law, part 793

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maybe he doesn't like his wife and kids? maybe he has another set of wife and kids he has dinner with?

nononono

09-25-2006 02:08 PM

I hate law, part 793

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
From today's WSJ lawblog:

Like many an overworked trial lawyer, Brad Butwin rarely eats dinner with his family. As the chair of O’Melveny & Myers’s New York litigation department, Butwin typically returns to his Long Island home at 8:30 p.m. — on a good day. By then, his wife and four children — whose schedules are even more hectic than his — have long since dispersed from the kitchen. For Butwin, takeout and leftovers are de rigueur.

this guy's been practising for over 20 years, the chair of a department with hundreds of underlings and peons at his disposal and he can't rig his personal life to a minimum level of quality such that he can spend 30 minutes a night several nights a week at the dinner table with his kids. Or he doesn't want to.

Law sucks. You lawyers all suck. Fuck all of you!!!.......I feel like taking the safety off the 9er in my desk. Merde.

But he represents the Mets, if that helps.

eta, and is actually a remarkably likeable fellow. For a lawyer.

Hank Chinaski

09-25-2006 02:09 PM

I hate law, part 793

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
2. Worse is we know he's not the exception. He may not be the majority (although he may), but certainly he represents a sizable chunk, at least relative to certain types of firms/areas of practice. And what comes around goes around, i.e. he's training his young charges or senior charges to train their mid level charages to train their young charges to be overworking maniacs too.

I hung out with a gaggle of business guys/Wharton MBAs a few weekends ago at a male bonding retreat in the Catskills. Median income was probably $700k. When we discussed work and hours etc they all laughed at and berated me. Law sucks.

was the average income higher or lower? had it dropped in the last 6 years? had the median dropped?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

09-25-2006 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Median income was probably $700k. When we discussed work and hours etc they all laughed at and berated me. Law sucks.

I know median means nothing. That aside, I don't really believe anyone earning $700k or more is working short hours, unless they're semi-retired or a professional athlete. The hours may be less painful or more predictable. But I'm pretty sure we'd all know about a 9-6 job that paid so much.

Penske_Account

09-25-2006 02:29 PM

I hate law, part 793

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I know median means nothing. That aside, I don't really believe anyone earning $700k or more is working short hours, unless they're semi-retired or a professional athlete. The hours may be less painful or more predictable. But I'm pretty sure we'd all know about a 9-6 job that paid so much.

I am not saying 9-6 gigs (although those exist, quick eg, I knew traders in Chicago who made up past $500K and they were done earlier than 6), but more control over their lives/schedules, i.e. more qol.

Penske_Account

09-25-2006 02:31 PM

I hate law, part 793

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Originally posted by nononono
But he represents the Mets, if that helps.

eta, and is actually a remarkably likeable fellow. For a lawyer.

Hmmm, that's what they say about me.........

Cletus Miller

09-25-2006 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
traders in Chicago who made up past $500K and they were done earlier than 6

Often well before 6--like 6am to 3pm, depending.

nononono

09-25-2006 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Hmmm, that's what they say about me.........

You rep the Mets, too?

Penske_Account

09-25-2006 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Often well before 6--like 6am to 3pm, depending.

Yes. That's not so bad. It's not like you are working on the weekends. At least the one's I knew.

And they occassionally got to punch other traders that they didn't like and the only penalty was they had to pay a fine. Like $10k. I'd pay $10K to punch some of my co-workers.

Penske_Account

09-25-2006 02:53 PM

I hate law, part 793

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Originally posted by nononono
You rep the Mets, too?

I have been to Shea, does that count?

nononono

09-25-2006 03:07 PM

I hate law, part 793

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I have been to Shea, does that count?

Yes! Admit it: you're Brad, aren't you?

ltl/fb

09-25-2006 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Yes. That's not so bad. It's not like you are working on the weekends. At least the one's I knew.

And they occassionally got to punch other traders that they didn't like and the only penalty was they had to pay a fine. Like $10k. I'd pay $10K to punch some of my co-workers.

I see I was right in not heeding your cries of poverty. Jesus.

Penske_Account

09-25-2006 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Yes! Admit it: you're Brad, aren't you?

Yes, sort of, the real penske lent me this sock, sprezzatura style.

Busted on this blog,

Brad

ps: Don't let him sell himself short, Penske's a hellavu guy, for a lawyer.

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