White flag?
 

this type of comment is more appropriate for a PM. Please keep your board chatter to on-topical comments.

White flag?
 

What type of moral relativism are you referring to? I said I had a firm idea of what is right and what is wrong; you and I just disagree on what that is. That means I am right and you are wrong.

As for the rest of that shit you just dribbled out, have you been self-medicating again?

White flag?
 

You complain about moral relativism and yet when some one on your team disappoints you on one issue you get in bed with the enemy. One person may agree with me on nine out of ten of the main issues but I am going to vote for the person that agrees with me on one out of ten of the issues because someone on my team disappointed me? That position is very immature and shows your political naivete and lack of sophistication. You are like Barbara Streisand's character in The Way We Were who thought FDR was perfect.

I am very disappointed in you Penske.

Hi Ty!
 

I guess this answers my earlier question about your self-medicating again.

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 

Let ingredients germinate until 2008 GOP presidential campaign.

Looks like smilin' Roy Moore (of Roy's Rock fame) is running for Governor of Alabama. Apparently, Roy is widly popular in Alabama since gettting kicked off the Ala. Supreme Court, and pundits give him a better than even chance of winning in 2006.

Apparently Roy has been dragging The Rock all over the state and making hay at rallies. Joshua Green in the Atlantic has a long profile on Moore that is simply astonishing.

Some pundits are predicting that if Roy wins for Guv, he'll (a) use it to pick fights with the Feds over religion, much like he has to date, and (b) run for President in 2008. Penske, hold that babyJesus close, because it may not be pretty once Moore does his best to splinter the Republican party.

Sebby, over to you.

White flag?
 

Mental Olestra?

White flag?
 

Yep. Filtered throught the soft, gauzy haze of Halcyon.

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 

I like to think of myself as a firm believer in the separation of Church and State. However, I don't really get the whole removing the rock thing. My issue is that I don't want the bible to be considered a controlling opinion in a legal case. However, it could be used as dicta just like Justininians code is. In addition, I don't want the gov. giving any money to support a church. Paying a church to help the poor I don't mind so much.

But having historical legal codes on display in a court house just does not seem like a big issue to me. What if the Magna Carta was in the court house? Or Justinians Code? Or Hammurabi's code? People misquote the ten commandments all the time. It would be nice if they were around more so people would know what they are talking about.

Am I wrong? Is this a big violation of church and state?

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 

I don't know that it's the biggest violation of church and state I could think of, but among the morass of (occasionally stupid) rulings over what kinds of displays of religion are acceptable on government property (Ok, you can have nativity scene, but you have to include a Xmas tree and a menorah!), posting the 10 Commandments in the courtroom is a pretty easy call to make.

But read the Atlantic article. Moore did this because he believes that the law is brought to us by God, and upgraded his Commandments from a wooden plaque to a big fuckin' piece of granite precisely because he wanted to fight about it.

Gattigap

White flag?
 

My point is that there are some moral absolutes, right and wrong outside of objectivity. The dimwit party leadership sees everything as grey and the liberal rabble rousers in the Media and Hollyweird perpetuate this notion. Maybe you don't drink that strain of kool aid.


which part do you have a problem with, TK as a manslaughterer, Clinton as perjurer, Byrd as a racist or Clinton as a sexual harasser/abuser cum rapist (npi)? this is the part where the dems moral relativism perplexes me. If the CEO of a large company committed the sex crimes of a Clinton, the left wing socialists would be clamouring for his scalp and decrying the behavioural excesses of the capitalist greedmongers, but when Clinton rapes and beats Juanita, he's some kind of romanticised demi-god. Why the reluctance to define rape and sexual harassment or Klan membership as with BYrd as objectively wrong and behaviours we won't tolerate in our leaders?

I hate this administration
 

part 28161

Apparently, if the pandemic breaks out, we're gonna use the military to quarantine people.

Someone forgot to brief the president that that big 'flu pandemic, the one in 1918 that killed my great-grandfather and about 20-40 million other people, was brought to the United States by the fucking military.

Jesus Christ, this fucking administration thinks that the fucking military is the solution to all of our fucking problems. Did he even bother to ask the epidemeologists at the CDC how, oh, I don't know, to control epidemics? Is the military the only part of the government that they're comfortable using?

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 

Well, first off, the Magna Carta isn't from the Bible,or specifically from an organized religion, so it doesn't raise the same issues.

Second, the S. Ct. pretty much agreed with you when it's part of a general display of sources of law.

But when all you have is a huge rock with teh 10 commandments, and nothing else, does that not send the message to litigants that your conduct and case is being judged not on civil law adopted by a democratic process but rather by divine instruction adopted by only some people, and certainly not democratically?

Turn the question around, and I think it's even harder: What was Moore attempting to convey about Alabama's courts by installing the rock? Your answer may not include a religious justification.

I hate this administration
 

Random thoughts --

On the flipside, it's apparently the only part of the Federal Government not run by some Bush college buddy. I agree that it's not the right tool for every problem, but I can see why he sees this as a nail best served by the only hammer he's held for the last 5 years.

And, I'm at least encouraged to see the story get out in the media to get discussed prior to an outbreak instead of after. Jon Stewart had some expert dude on TDS a week or two ago talking about the abysmal state of preparation of Fed, State, Local govt for anything. Katrina, Rita, terrorism, bird flu, etc. When Stewart said, "but we're working on it, right?" and the dude just shrugged, I thought Stewart was gonna have a seizure.

I thought A Handmaid's Tale was supposed to be fiction.

ETA: summary of objectional parts of the law if you don't want to wade through the bill

White flag?
 

Hmmmmm. I liked Barbara Streisand in TWWW, but I see your point. Perhaps I was hasty.

I will commune with the babyjesuschristsuperstar to seek guidance.

Like Arnold, I will be back.