LawTalkers - We are all Slave now.

No time for reading politics. I’m knee deep on very important issues involving whether a dash in a Japanese document from 1975 was a minus sign or a hyphen. I’d love to do some outside reading but the economy is depending on me keeping my focus.

I solved this already. It's a minus sign. Move on.

Tyrone Slothrop

07-10-2018 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 516134)

Bipartisanship today is indeed impossible. It's gone. I'd love to bring it back, but, let's face it, where is there a Republican we can trust or deal with in a position of authority? I know you don't think well of the Republican leadership, despite being committed to what were, historically, considered conservative ideals.

There are Republicans we can deal with, and if any of them were in power, there might be hope. For example, both Hatch and Graham have histories of being able to work across the aisle. McConnell? No way, fuck him. Hypocritical lying ass. Ryan? Total ass, can't be trusted. Trump's team?! [uncontrollable laughter.]

There are Republican asses and Democratic asses. The kind of people who want to legislate are usually willing to compromise, because that is the essence of the job. That's not the problem. The issue is, there are enough Republican voters who will punish Republican legislators for bipartisanship. Republicans have to worry about getting primaries from the right. Democrats haven't had to, though maybe that is starting to change.

SEC_Chick

07-10-2018 04:37 PM

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One of the most interesting recent developments is that much derided and scorned Mitch McConnell has now become a folk hero to traditional conservatives, affectionately referred to as Cocaine Mitch. Leave it to creepy Blankenship and badass Elaine Chao to make McConnell actually likeable.

McConnell also has a pretty decently amusing social media team capitalizing on it, though they don't have quite the game of, say, Orrin Hatch's staff.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

07-10-2018 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 516137)

I'm sure there is a good explanation for why they are asses, but I'm just concerned with the fact that they are. And there are just a lot more of them running the show over on the Republican side.

It would be nice if Congress did stuff like hold hearings on major bills, for example, even if the Rs are going to control those hearings. The legislation just ends up better when you have some input and review.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

07-10-2018 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 516138)

Well, then, hoist him up on his petard and parade him about. Your hero.

SEC_Chick

07-10-2018 05:08 PM

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in the spirit of bipartisanship, I hope that the Dems can support the bill requiring congressional approval of Section 232 tariffs imposed by a President. Corker says it will go up for a vote soon.

Not Bob

07-10-2018 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 516139)

I don’t know when bipartisanship died, but it certainly was six feet under in 1993 when not a single GOP house member voted for the Clinton stimulus package and Bob Dole* led a GOP filibuster against it.

Chelsea Clinton’s current mother in law was the deciding vote in the House. She knowingly sacrificed** her seat to save the bill.

* “Bob Dole is going to filibuster this wasteful spending,” Senator Dole said. “The American people may have been snookered by that smooth-talking draft dodger in the White House, but Bob Dole won’t be!” the senator continued.

** One would think that President Clinton might have given her a job or something after she took a spear for him, but loyalty is usually a one way street in politics. Must have led to some awkwardness at the engagement party.

LessinSF

07-10-2018 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 516108)

Meh on the SCOTUS pick. At least it wasn’t Hardiman, but Kavanaugh was the weakest of the top three. As much as I loved Kethledge for calling asset forfeiture “theft”, Barrett would have been the home run.

Oh well. Still better than anyone HRC would have nominated.

Apparently, you never had a chance - https://thinkprogress.org/trump-anth...73ecf/?ref=yfp

Tyrone Slothrop

07-10-2018 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 516139)

I'm sure there is a good explanation for why they are asses, but I'm just concerned with the fact that they are. And there are just a lot more of them running the show over on the Republican side.

Not sure that's right -- maybe the fact that they are running the show just illuminates their assery more.

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It would be nice if Congress did stuff like hold hearings on major bills, for example, even if the Rs are going to control those hearings. The legislation just ends up better when you have some input and review.

It would be nice, but don't you think it's the case that the lack of such process has more to do with the challenges Republicans have in agreeing on anything with each other? Granted, the Hastert Rule is what makes that so critical.

Not Bob

07-10-2018 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 516143)

Apparently, you never had a chance - https://thinkprogress.org/trump-anth...73ecf/?ref=yfp

Less, you are such a naysayer. I, for one, welcome our new killer whale overlords.

Hat tip to the always-delightful Bess Levin:

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Since Donald Trump nominated Brett Kavanaugh to succeed Justice Anthony Kennedyon the Supreme Court, many have feared what a successful confirmation could mean for a host of issues, including abortion, guns, same-sex marriage, and health care. Equally worrisome, if one worries about the possibility of being scalped and dismembered by an orca? His exceedingly business-friendly views.

One fun example of the conservative judge’s take on workers’ rights is his dissent—the only one—in a case involving the SeaWorld trainer who was eaten by a killer whale during a performance in 2010, the third time the whale had been “involved in a human death.” While his colleagues upheld a prior ruling that the theme park had violated safety standards by “exposing . . . trainers to recognized hazards when working in close contact with killer whales during performances,” Kavanaugh thought that was bullshit, writing that lots of sports are dangerous, but that doesn’t mean the Labor Department should use its authority to implement regulations aimed at minimizing the chances that trainers will be eaten in full view of paying customers. “When should we as a society paternalistically decide,” Kavanaugh asked, “that the risk of significant physical injury is simply too great even for eager and willing participants? And most importantly for this case, who decides that the risk to participants is too high?” Presumably B-Kavs, as we imagine his fellow Yalies called him, also believes that coal-mining companies shouldn’t have to comply with onerous rules intended to prevent mine collapses, because those miners know what they’re signing up for.

Plus let’s not forget that the man does not share the good stuff with family. I mean, while Canadian Club is a perfectly adequate whiskey, it is no substitute for the Caskmates, amirite Sebby?

Hank Chinaski

07-10-2018 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 516145)

Less, you are such a naysayer. I, for one, welcome our new killer whale overlords.

Hat tip to the always-delightful Bess Levin:

Plus let’s not forget that the man does not share the good stuff with family. I mean, while Canadian Club is a perfectly adequate whiskey, it is no substitute for the Caskmates, amirite Sebby?

You don’t think people can assume risk? Should Slave be able to sue Greedy for getting mixed with Paigow?

Not Bob

07-10-2018 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 516146)

You don’t think people can assume risk? Should Slave be able to sue Greedy for getting mixed with Paigow?

An owner of a bad dog gets one free bite before she’s liable to victims of the dog in most states. Should owners of killer whales get more than that? You gotta figure that once Shamu starts eating trainers that she is likely to eat others and maybe Sea World should retire her. And that maybe the Department of Labor can enforce workplace safety for the trainers. But what do I know? I’m just a fan of the Nanny State, with all its child labor laws and such.

LessinSF

07-10-2018 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 516145)

I agree with Kavanagh. We have abandoned assumption of the risk.

Not Bob

07-10-2018 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 516148)

I agree with Kavanagh. We have abandoned assumption of the risk.

We never had it with owners of animals, have we? Don’t they only get one tort-free bite under common law? So why should Sea World (the owners of Shamu) get more free bites than Sebby with his labradoodle? I would totally sue that pompous blowhard if his mutt took a nip at me while he was too busy pontificating over the 37 minute drum solo in his bootleg reel to reel of the Dead’s 1973 Red Rock show to pay attention to the evil little bastard.

And (serious question) has assumption of the risk ever applied in an employment situation?

LessinSF

07-11-2018 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 516149)

So we all agree Kavanaugh was correct. Kumbayah.

Re your question, I asked similar one about strip club employees a few months ago, and was told that, yes, if it part of the job.

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