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Penske_Account 11-01-2005 11:55 AM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
So I take it you're anti-death penalty?
Actually yes*. And ftr, this is where I could make some snide and personally destructive comment about your reading comprehension abilities (as I have stated here previously that I am against the death penalty), but because I feel the love, platonically, in an internet sort of way for you and all my charges here, I will turn the other cheek as TIWJWD.



*Under any state or federal criminal code, with the caveat that I am not applying this to enemy combatants. For them I am okay with summary judgment based on the doctrine of "shoot first, ask questions later".

Penske_Account 11-01-2005 12:00 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
1. I can palm a basketball;
2. I do eat the roast beef... It just bores me; and
3. If I can get a chick off well by fucking her and using parts other than my tongue, what should it matter to her?
1. Nerf, i assume

2. exactly, selfless is about giving to the givee, not about the trials and tribulations of the giver. Given your well publicised boredom, your selfishness is showing. NTTAWWT.

3. Again, selfless giving is about the sensibilities of the givee, not the PoV of the giver. I can get off in a variety of ways, hj, bj, intercourse, but I may prefer one over the other. If the giver is selfless they will seek to satisfy my needs without reference to their perspective on what should satisfy my needs.

nononono 11-01-2005 12:06 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
3. If I can get a chick off well by fucking her and using parts other than my tongue, what should it matter to her?
Cause sometimes you just want it.

Penske_Account 11-01-2005 12:07 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by nononono
Cause sometimes you just want it.
\

Exactly and fulfilling that want should be enough for the selfless giver.

dtb 11-01-2005 12:22 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by nononono
Cause sometimes you just want it.
Like you read about.

nononono 11-01-2005 12:33 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by dtb
Like you read about.
Oooh, may I borrow some of your books?

SlaveNoMore 11-01-2005 12:34 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

sebastian_dangerfield
Foie gras... Is there anything more overpriced/overrated?
Truffles

Quote:

I just don't get the whole organ meat thing. I mean, I'll have some on a cracker if its being served. But the whole gelatinous mashed-up organ meat or fat-engorged liver thing just seems like high priced dog food to me.
There is quite the difference between say, duck rillets or country pate or seared foie gras.

Quote:

I get the caviar and vodka thing, however. Superchilled Ketel One is a perfect chaser for caviar or lox and capers and onions.
Ketel One is so fucking pedestrian. If your spending money on caviar, buy a good Russian vodka.

Diane_Keaton 11-01-2005 12:58 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Diane -

How do you rate socially liberal, fiscally conservative men? I assume you figure we're as selfish in the sack as our political views would indicate, but I'm hoping to be surprised.
I can't answer this question objectively due to your inserting yourself (um..yeah, baby?) into the question, cause I've heard you're a hottie and combined with your fucked-upness on this board, I have to assume you'd rock (in a good freaky way) in the bedroom, and I mean this in a non-internet kind of way. Anyhow, I doubt I've ever been with a true social liberal/fiscal liberal because I bet you'd scratch them (which I have done, NTTAWWT) and find a fiscal conservative underneath. These SNAGS have all been philosophical/dreamer types who probably wouldn't part too easily with their girly man purses if push came to shove.

(Anyways, if you exclude blow jobs, I've only had 5 lovers in total so I'm not the expert on rating guys in bed.)

(Plus, I had all 5 at once and so it was tough sorting out all their politics as I kept getting confused about who was pro this or that on domestic policy, yet anti- this or that on foreign policy. It's tough to keep track of these things. But i try.)

spookyfish 11-01-2005 01:04 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
2. Also the paperbags act as a nice receptable under the sink for other paper products, which is then easily carried down to the recycling bin in the carport.
Plus, the whole thing burns so nicely.

sgtclub 11-01-2005 01:15 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
(Anyways, if you exclude blow jobs, I've only had 5 lovers in total so I'm not the expert on rating guys in bed.)

did you marry young?

Edit to fix horrendous grammer

SlaveNoMore 11-01-2005 01:15 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Diane_Keaton
... cause I've heard you're a hottie...
It amuses me that I can read this - and given the 3 degrees of separation on this Board - I can immediately discern with whom this conversation occurred.

spookyfish 11-01-2005 01:18 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
We you married young?
Two questions:

Are you calling Diane a polygamist, or a Mormon?

Are you one of the five?

sgtclub 11-01-2005 01:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by spookyfish
Two questions:

Are you calling Diane a polygamist, or a Mormon?

Are you one of the five?
Neither - I just find that number to be unusually low.

Diane - is that 5 that you are counting (after netting out those that you didn't not cum with, those that you were too drunk to remember, etc) or is it a pure 5?

ltl/fb 11-01-2005 01:25 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Neither - I just find that number to be unusually low.

Diane - is that 5 that you are counting (after netting out those that you didn't not cum with, those that you were too drunk to remember, etc) or is it a pure 5?
Maybe she is only like 25?

Diane_Keaton 11-01-2005 01:28 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Neither - I just find that number to be unusually low.

Diane - is that 5 that you are counting (after netting out those that you didn't not cum with, those that you were too drunk to remember, etc) or is it a pure 5?
It's a pure 5. But...when I say blowjobs are excluded (and all oral sex) I mean...that's a lot of stuff we're excluding here, Sarge. Now, I wouldn't say I'm exactly a Blow Job "Queen" (NTTAWWT) but I wouldn't exactly call me a Morman, either.

Diane_Keaton 11-01-2005 01:30 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Maybe she is only like 25?
Is 5 really that low of a number for actual intercourse? I've always assumed 5-10 was about average. What's the norm for oral sex? I'd put my number at about 25 for that.

sgtclub 11-01-2005 01:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Maybe she is only like 25?
Still unexpectedly low (NTTAWWT).

Did you just call me Coltrane? 11-01-2005 01:30 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
I'd put my number at about 25 for that.
In a row?

sgtclub 11-01-2005 01:33 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
It's a pure 5. But...when I say blowjobs are excluded (and all oral sex) I mean...that's a lot of stuff we're excluding here, Sarge. Now, I wouldn't say I'm exactly a Blow Job "Queen" (NTTAWWT) but I wouldn't exactly call me a Morman, either.
I don't mean any offense. I'm just a little shocked, but maybe I just tend to date sluttier (in a good way) women.

Tell me this - you go down on a guy or he goes down on you, and it doesn't result in intercourse? How does that happen? Is oral the consolation prize?

Shape Shifter 11-01-2005 01:33 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
It's a pure 5. But...when I say blowjobs are excluded (and all oral sex) I mean...that's a lot of stuff we're excluding here, Sarge. Now, I wouldn't say I'm exactly a Blow Job "Queen" (NTTAWWT) but I wouldn't exactly call me a Morman, either.
Are you excluding anal? Were you a debutante virgin?

sgtclub 11-01-2005 01:35 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Is 5 really that low of a number for actual intercourse? I've always assumed 5-10 was about average. What's the norm for oral sex? I'd put my number at about 25 for that.
In my experience, that is way low. I'd say that you are in the 95th (or 5th, depending on one's perspective) percentile. I'd guess the average for women is about 15.

Diane_Keaton 11-01-2005 01:39 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Tell me this - you go down on a guy or he goes down on you, and it doesn't result in intercourse? How does that happen? Is oral the consolation prize?
Oh, I see what you mean. Okay, the oral sex/no intercourse stuff was mostly in high school where I guess going "that far" seemed far enough. College and law school was just one guy, and then after that I guess the numbers are just low. But now I would never want to just have oral without the Full Monty.

(And, I knew the anal post was coming. Damn I should have taken the wind out of his sails).

Shape Shifter 11-01-2005 01:41 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Oh, I see what you mean. Okay, the oral sex/no intercourse stuff was mostly in high school where I guess going "that far" seemed far enough. College and law school was just one guy, and then after that I guess the numbers are just low. But now I would never want to just have oral without the Full Monty.

(And, I knew the anal post was coming. Damn I should have taken the wind out of his sails).
Nonresponsive.

ltl/fb 11-01-2005 01:52 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Is 5 really that low of a number for actual intercourse? I've always assumed 5-10 was about average. What's the norm for oral sex? I'd put my number at about 25 for that.
The norm is going to depend on whether you were married (and stayed that way for more than a few years) and how old you are, I would think. I think 5-10 for someone who got married fairly early (before 30ish) and was dating the spouse for a long time before they got married is pretty average. I would think the norm for someone who is single through the mid-30s would be higher.

I'm talking averages, people. No need to cite gwink's scarred hockey-player list.

If I'm in private with someone and we are both getting naked, I don't really draw a distinction between oral and intercourse -- or I don't see why someone would do oral and refuse to have intercourse (like, that would make them purer?) unless there were no condoms available or something. If you are making do in the back seat of a cab or a handy alley, I can see where you'd limit to oral.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 11-01-2005 01:55 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Oh, I see what you mean. Okay, the oral sex/no intercourse stuff was mostly in high school where I guess going "that far" seemed far enough. College and law school was just one guy, and then after that I guess the numbers are just low. But now I would never want to just have oral without the Full Monty.

(And, I knew the anal post was coming. Damn I should have taken the wind out of his sails).
I would avoid the word "wind" in posts about anal. I mean, unless it's part of a good story or something.

Penske_Account 11-01-2005 02:11 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by spookyfish
Two questions:

Are you calling Diane a polygamist, or a Mormon?

Are you one of the five?
One of my socks once had an erotic daydream involving DianeK, but I am not sure if she is counting that.

Penske_Account 11-01-2005 02:14 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
The norm is going to depend on whether you were married (and stayed that way for more than a few years) and how old you are, I would think. I think 5-10 for someone who got married fairly early (before 30ish) and was dating the spouse for a long time before they got married is pretty average. I would think the norm for someone who is single through the mid-30s would be higher.

I'm talking averages, people. No need to cite gwink's scarred hockey-player list.

If I'm in private with someone and we are both getting naked, I don't really draw a distinction between oral and intercourse -- or I don't see why someone would do oral and refuse to have intercourse (like, that would make them purer?) unless there were no condoms available or something. If you are making do in the back seat of a cab or a handy alley, I can see where you'd limit to oral.
What if one party boycotts condoms and thus oral with a facial becomes the default act?

Hank Chinaski 11-01-2005 02:19 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
The norm is going to depend on whether you were married (and stayed that way for more than a few years) and how old you are, I would think. I think 5-10 for someone who got married fairly early (before 30ish) and was dating the spouse for a long time before they got married is pretty average. I would think the norm for someone who is single through the mid-30s would be higher.

I'm talking averages, people. No need to cite gwink's scarred hockey-player list.

If I'm in private with someone and we are both getting naked, I don't really draw a distinction between oral and intercourse -- or I don't see why someone would do oral and refuse to have intercourse (like, that would make them purer?) unless there were no condoms available or something. If you are making do in the back seat of a cab or a handy alley, I can see where you'd limit to oral.
Say if you are at an all you can eat place and you sneak out into the alley for a quickie- 10 minutes tops- can you come back in and eat more, or do you have to pay a second time?

Diane_Keaton 11-01-2005 02:21 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Say if you are at an all you can eat place and you sneak out into the alley for a quickie- 10 minutes tops- can you come back in and eat more, or do you have to pay a second time?
I can't believe you want to delve into that sloppy- seconds discussion again.

ltl/fb 11-01-2005 02:49 PM

more demo racism?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Say if you are at an all you can eat place and you sneak out into the alley for a quickie- 10 minutes tops- can you come back in and eat more, or do you have to pay a second time?
I don't like all-you-can-eat places except maybe the Fogo de Chao type. And those are expensive enough that you can duck out for a bit and come back in and continue.

Penske_Account 11-01-2005 03:28 PM

Bring it on Dimwits!
 
Sen. Mike DeWine, who met with President Bush's latest high court choice earlier Tuesday, warned Democrats he would side with GOP leaders to eliminate the judicial filibuster if the minority party uses it against the New Jersey judge.

DeWine is a Republican who was formerly one of the 7 RiNOs in the Gang of 14. Things are not looking good for the demos here. Odds are McCain and Lindsay Graham will be contrained to support the President and Frist will have the votes to go nucular. Woo hoo. And Chafee, Snowe and Collins can go fuck themselves or each other.

Meanwhile, Operation: Rescue declared that the country was on "the fast-track to derailing Roe v. Wade as the law of the land." Indeed.

Gattigap 11-01-2005 03:37 PM

Bring it on Dimwits!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account


DeWine is a Republican who was formerly one of the 7 RiNOs in the Gang of 14. Things are not looking good for the demos here.
I doubt that the Dems would filibuster Alito anyway. Why create a train wreck when the result won't change?

I would imagine that they'd be better served by using the hearings and the debate to make clear that what Alito wants, and what Your GOP wants, is to dismantle Roe (plus any other precedents that become the focus of the hearings). Period.

If you like that result, well, then today's a good day for you. If you don't, you'll probably want to remember that in 2006 and 2008. It's that simple.

Penske_Account 11-01-2005 03:51 PM

Bring it on Dimwits!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
I doubt that the Dems would filibuster Alito anyway. Why create a train wreck when the result won't change?

I would imagine that they'd be better served by using the hearings and the debate to make clear that what Alito wants, and what Your GOP wants, is to dismantle Roe (plus any other precedents that become the focus of the hearings). Period.

If you like that result, well, then today's a good day for you. If you don't, you'll probably want to remember that in 2006 and 2008. It's that simple.
Why do you think that poses any risks in 06 or 08? Did you listen to what W said in either 00 or 04 regarding the type of judges he would appoint to SCotUS? There was already a referendum on this.

Further, we went through polls on this a few weeks ago. The American people support laws that require parental consent and notification for minors seeking abortions. They also support regulation of partial birth abortions. Those are the cases that are coming that will erode Casey's and Roe's effect and, of course, employing the Ginsgburg strategy, Alito won't be able to comment on those cases.

Finally, much like Roberts did on day one of his hearings, Alito will come armed with and employ his vastly superior intellect against the dimwitted demo leadership of Kennedy, Biden and Boxer and Americans will leave once again with an impression of what a sorry group of intellectually and morally devoid losers the effette faux intellectual elitists of the ivy tower urban centers of the blue states foist upon the nation.

Penske_Account 11-01-2005 03:56 PM

Bring it on Dimwits!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
I doubt that the Dems would filibuster Alito anyway. Why create a train wreck when the result won't change?

ps: YOu also, obviously, did not read the AP article I posted the link to. The demo (no)braintrust is already heading toward trainwreckville (and are supported by the looney leftists over at the leading liberal thinkthank, the DU).

But some Democrats were contemplating just such a move as the 55-year-old Alito began courting senators on the second day of his Supreme Court candidacy.

"The filibuster's on the table," Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer of California said after Bush announced that the U.S. Appeals Court judge was his pick to replace his previous unsuccessful choice



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paigowprincess 11-01-2005 03:57 PM

QUestion on campaign strategy '04
 
As a civil libertarian (but not a democrat), I often wonder why the douchebags and blunderheads who devise campaign strategy do not focus on the Supreme Court nominations. As far as am concerned, with ehe exception of wars and shit, there isn't that much diff between the dems and repubs, except on civil liberties. I would think that the number of people in this country who would be scared shitless by a menacing ad featuring dark stalky shadows infiltrating bedrooms for example, would haev been nice, Willie Horton like imagery to make people realize how fucking scary itis that Bushie is president while the Supremes are dying off. This is the primary reason I have voted democrat since the nienties. I don't recall hearing Kerry talk much about it and it is probably the only area of my life that could be personally affected by the govt (ie gay marriage ban- I have a gay cousin, abortion, affirm action, etc).

Would the electoral vote thing that is skewed towards racists and rednecks have prevented this from even mattering? Florida has some thikning people, but they are probalby more concerned about medicare and social security and are probably racist, homophobic old coots anyway. I know all the free thinkingers leave CLeveland and Detroit. Could it have mattered?

Just a thought. I retird from following politics after Clinton's first go round bc of all the dogma and bullshit, but I did work for both George the First and Clinton on their campaigns, as well as for Dick Blumenthal, so I used to care a little. Now I jsut watch the daily show.

Penske_Account 11-01-2005 04:06 PM

QUestion on campaign strategy '04
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
As a civil libertarian (but not a democrat), I often wonder why the douchebags and blunderheads who devise campaign strategy do not focus on the Supreme Court nominations. As far as am concerned, with ehe exception of wars and shit, there isn't that much diff between the dems and repubs, except on civil liberties. I would think that the number of people in this country who would be scared shitless by a menacing ad featuring dark stalky shadows infiltrating bedrooms for example, would haev been nice, Willie Horton like imagery to make people realize how fucking scary itis that Bushie is president while the Supremes are dying off. This is the primary reason I have voted democrat since the nienties. I don't recall hearing Kerry talk much about it and it is probably the only area of my life that could be personally affected by the govt (ie gay marriage ban- I have a gay cousin, abortion, affirm action, etc).

Would the electoral vote thing that is skewed towards racists and rednecks have prevented this from even mattering? Florida has some thikning people, but they are probalby more concerned about medicare and social security and are probably racist, homophobic old coots anyway. I know all the free thinkingers leave CLeveland and Detroit. Could it have mattered?

Just a thought. I retird from following politics after Clinton's first go round bc of all the dogma and bullshit, but I did work for both George the First and Clinton on their campaigns, as well as for Dick Blumenthal, so I used to care a little. Now I jsut watch the daily show.
2. It is a breath of fresh air to have some new free thinking perspective here rather than the tired old cliched cat poop from some of regulars, except I can't endorse your comment about Detroit. Hank is a free thinkinger type and I am almost positive he lives in or around Detroit. Also, I co-invented the MotorCityBagel.

Gattigap 11-01-2005 04:10 PM

Bring it on Dimwits!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
ps: YOu also, obviously, did not read the AP article I posted the link to.
Nope. But I do appreciate knowing that AP wires are within your linked oeuvre. Perhaps next time I'll have sufficient courage to try it.

Hank Chinaski 11-01-2005 04:14 PM

QUestion on campaign strategy '04
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
As a civil libertarian (but not a democrat), I often wonder why the douchebags and blunderheads who devise campaign strategy do not focus on the Supreme Court nominations. As far as am concerned, with ehe exception of wars and shit, there isn't that much diff between the dems and repubs, except on civil liberties. I would think that the number of people in this country who would be scared shitless by a menacing ad featuring dark stalky shadows infiltrating bedrooms for example, would haev been nice, Willie Horton like imagery to make people realize how fucking scary itis that Bushie is president while the Supremes are dying off. This is the primary reason I have voted democrat since the nienties. I don't recall hearing Kerry talk much about it and it is probably the only area of my life that could be personally affected by the govt (ie gay marriage ban- I have a gay cousin, abortion, affirm action, etc).

Would the electoral vote thing that is skewed towards racists and rednecks have prevented this from even mattering? Florida has some thikning people, but they are probalby more concerned about medicare and social security and are probably racist, homophobic old coots anyway. I know all the free thinkingers leave CLeveland and Detroit. Could it have mattered?

Just a thought. I retird from following politics after Clinton's first go round bc of all the dogma and bullshit, but I did work for both George the First and Clinton on their campaigns, as well as for Dick Blumenthal, so I used to care a little. Now I jsut watch the daily show.
Welcome to the PB. And while i will respond substantively, I wanted to note that if you were a newber like me posting on your home, the FB, several posters would flyspeck your post to identify a spelling error, and then critcize you for the error. I'm sure you will find it more refreshing here.

One thing, and it is a truly bothersome thing, is that a majority of people still hate fags (in the abstract- even I get bothered by Coltrane-swishing-Mizuno act). Michigan voted for Kerry by several points. that same night 60% of the state voted to ban gay marriage- it's fucked up. Detroit was 90% for Kerry- 65% for the gay ban.

Everyone knew what the election meant to the court- the candidates didn't need to hgihlight it- and the "scary" bush imagery might have actually helped him.

I think Roberts will vote to keep Roe, he promised to follow precedant or whatever- so the sum is still there maybe? plus the new guy was told his position was wrong so maybe he'd accept that? Case isn't overturned until its overturned.

Penske_Account 11-01-2005 04:15 PM

Bring it on Dimwits!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Nope. But I do appreciate knowing that AP wires are within your linked oeuvre. Perhaps next time I'll have sufficient courage to try it.
do you use MS I.E.?

Gattigap 11-01-2005 04:18 PM

Bring it on Dimwits!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Why do you think that poses any risks in 06 or 08? Did you listen to what W said in either 00 or 04 regarding the type of judges he would appoint to SCotUS? There was already a referendum on this.
As an aside, judging from the campaign commercials and media reports of mid- to late- 2004, I think the referendum was on a variety of things, and "Starting the Counter-Revolution on SCOTUS" was only one of many. "No Dying From A Big Fucking Jihadist Fireball" was somewhere up there too, and I imagine that at least some voters had competing priorities.

I do not predict that this will be a major point of contention in 06 or 08, but the reality is the following: If you want more Scalias and Thomases on the Court, vote Republican. If you don't, and it's important to you, then you'd better not.

Quote:

Further, we went through polls on this a few weeks ago. The American people support laws that require parental consent and notification for minors seeking abortions.
You do realize that this post closely trails your advocacy piece cheering Roe no longer being law of the land, right?


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