Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Jared wanting a back channel to Russia is a bad sign for 45 not knowing about it.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Nah. He is in a fam where the men trade out their model wives every 10 years and he likes his FIL's current ride. He is just thinking down the road.

Re: Those evil-natured robots, they're programmed to destroy us.
 

Gin is for between Memorial Day and Labor Day, only. Hendricks and/or Tanqueray Ten but both are completely different ends of the spectrum and can't be consumed within the same week.

Sapphire, is only if there is absolutely nothing else . . . on second thought I'll have a Diet Sprite.

Re: Those evil-natured robots, they're programmed to destroy us.
 

My summer drink is a nice chilled white port. I think the gene that makes people like gin came from the intensive in-breeding that occurred because England is on a fairly small island.

Re: Those evil-natured robots, they're programmed to destroy us.
 

I have started to drink gin even though my people are from Kaulonia, in Calabria. For years I'd ask Italian wine stores about Calabrese wines, with little feedback. Then I visited Kaulonia. My cousin's pour Sprite in the local red wine to make it drinkable. Gin is definitely a step up for my roots.

Re: Those evil-natured robots, they're programmed to destroy us.
 

Gin came to England from Holland with William of Orange. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b084zk6z

Re: Those evil-natured robots, they're programmed to destroy us.
 

A man who drinks Tanquery Ten should not be making rules for others.

Re: Those evil-natured robots, they're programmed to destroy us.
 

What is white port and how can you drink several?

Re: Those evil-natured robots, they're programmed to destroy us.
 

Yet the Dutch drink beer....

Re: Those evil-natured robots, they're programmed to destroy us.
 

I can't find the "like" button for this post.

Re: Those evil-natured robots, they're programmed to destroy us.
 

He is also the reason carrots are orange.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Where did US manufacturing jobs go?

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Yup

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

It's a good question but I don't think he's answered it.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Please stop perpetuating this bullshit.

Hillary won the black vote overwhelmingly. She garnered almost 90%. Trump got fucking crushed and it would have been worse if Republicans didn't suppress the black vote in all sorts of ways. If you're going to compare her performance to Obama's numbers, you're a fool. She outperformed Bill Clinton in his reelection bid. She matched Kerry. Gore did a little better.

It's a similar story with Hispanics. She got 65% of the Hispanic vote. Gore got 62%. Bill got 73%. In '08, Obama got 67% and against Romney he got 73%.

Trump did worse among minorities than anyone other than fucking Dole. Relatively speaking,* minorities aren't to blame for this fucking debacle.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/poll...-groups-voted/

TM

*And I say this because our country is filled with apathetic assholes who can't be bothered to keep assholes from destroying the country.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Yeh, Sebby has good reason to deflect. He voted against her in a key state.

So of course he's going to blame it on the blacks.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Those are percentages of voters. The important issue is how many total minority voters were there versus 2012, 2008, 04, and 00?

And even on a percentage basis, Trump bizarrely did better than expected among minorities.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politi...-white-voters/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/omriben.../#586d415064e4

http://www.phillytrib.com/news/black...d7639dc97.html

And contrary to GGG's silly post, of course I'm not blaming any one group. As your quote from my earlier post acknowledges, I cited lower minority voter turnout as one of many factors.

And I'm also not discounting voter suppression. Why there was lower minority voter turnout is a different discussion.

I also don't think you can call someone a fool for comparing her to Obama in 2012.

The New Class War
 

Long, but worth it: https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2...new-class-war/

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Would I have been voting against her if I just stayed home?

This is getting tiresome, but I could only have voted against her if I had an obligation to vote for her.

From where does this obligation stem? From you, or Hank? Are you suggesting I, or anyone else for that matter, has an obligation to vote for someone?

Are you really saying I had a duty to cast my vote for Hillary and I shirked it? That's some pretty crazy ass moral pedestal assumption you've engaged in there, old boy.

And I've not deflected, once. Deflection's for those seeking to offload responsibility. I own the fact that I did not vote for HRC. I'm not hiding from it. Nor am I hiding from the fact that if more people who voted as I did voted for her, she could have won. These are objective realities. It is also an objective reality, to people who read English as at least a third language, that I did not vote against her. I took nothing away from her which she otherwise had. Vis a vis HRC, I am a neutral actor. ...And you a man looking to gin up guilt in very much the wrong place.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Do the research and then let's discuss. But, when comparing numbers of black voters, if you're going off of the drop from Obama to Hillary, you're a fool. More on this below.

Do you realize none of those articles really supports your argument?

The first: "Some 88% of African-American voters supported Clinton, versus 8% for Donald Trump, as of very early Wednesday morning. While that's a large margin, it's not as big as Obama's victory over Mitt Romney in 2012. Obama locked up 93% of the black vote to Romney's 7%.

Some 12% of the electorate was African-American this year, compared to 13% four years ago."

Uh...shocking?

The second: Actually, I'm not sure why you posted a link to the second at all. Is it because of this?: "It is of course true that in some areas, like Pennsylvania, Trump’s gains over Romney were more impressive than Clinton’s loss of Obama voters." Can't be.

The third: "The number of Black ballots counted nationally significantly decreased by more than 11 percent when compared to Black voter performance in the previous 2012 presidential election cycle, numbers show."

Again, see below when it comes to comparing Hillary's numbers with black voters to Obama's. Also, from the article:

"However, many critics, particularly in the Black political community and on social media, have vigorously pushed back against the notion that Black voters are to blame for huge Republican gains this election cycle, instead pointing to a massive wave of white voters — especially in Rust Belt and Southern states — that overwhelmingly broke for Republican nominee Donald Trump in a contentious and racially charged political campaign."

In fact, the whole article seems to just compare black voting numbers in 2016 against 2012.

Fair enough.

Of course I can. There isn't a person with a working brain walking this Earth who doesn't understand that the twice in a fucking lifetime chance to vote for a black man* for President will drive the black vote way up every single time (with a corresponding drop when he's no longer running).

TM

*And if you mention Carson or Keyes or anyone in a primary decades ago, go ahead and draft up my completely predictable response yourself.

Re: The New Class War
 

Tedious, among other things for the incessant appeals to authority, but this is kinda funny:

Yes, who would have thunk that when you define a group of people by their positions, "almost all" of the people in those positions belong to the group...

I also enjoyed citing Airbus and Boeing as evidence of global consolidation. As though otherwise there'd be national jumbo jet competitors in Canada and Brazil (oh, wait...)

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

I agree with Sebastian. Hendrick's is good but so is Sapphire. If you have Tanqueray, set me up with that. Artisanal gins? Yup. Hank says he cannot imagine someone drinking both. Because they are so different. That's like saying you have to choose between John Coltrane and Cannonball Adderley. Very different styles and sounds. But I like them both. Even. On. The. Same. Song. I enjoy a nice gin martini (which is called a "martini") in the winter. And I tend to drink gin and tonic more in the summer. But if I am eating oysters on the halfshell, I will often order a martini regardless of the season. And sometimes I'll have a gin and tonic in mid-winter. Because I'm a fucking gin nihilist. Some say drinking gin gives you the volatile angers. I like the sound of that.

Here is Little Sister with "Stanga" for the Daily Dose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53AN...SPGBmb0QpEuoMq

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

If you would have simply said, "fuck you guys, I ain't voting for her," it would go easier, i think. But you kept saying you can vote 3rd party because she is soo far ahead, and Pa is always blue. And then I showed you the polls saying "uh-uhn" and you didn't rejigger your reasons. Of course you get to vote how you want, but I blame third party voters (all of whom have a right to their votes) who thought the thing was hers and the third party vote was safe, and you are the only actual person i know who admits to it. Sorry- we'll get past this.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

The level of guilt is clear every time I mention this. Accept the self-loathing, Sebby, work through it. Say a hundred Hail Marys, a hundred Pater Nosters, do something nice for your wife and kids, and give up the third party stuff for lent; you'll feel better.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

I'm trying to read this, but I keep getting bogged down by the author's penchant for breathlessly describing the commonplace as if it is novel. What does this article explain that otherwise has gone unexplained?

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

I wound up doing lots of superficial skimming, but I took the ultimate argument to be that in order to have "countervailing power" that will check globally successful firms we need to undo international regulatory convergence and accept geopolitical conflict.

If there's any consideration about how inefficient that the former is, and what it will cost the world in aggregate wealth, or how inherently dangerous to actual people's lives that latter is, I didn't see it.

Also, I'm not sure the author really squares the former with his - correct - observation that an important driver of globalization is regulatory arbitrage.

tl;dr: We need more socialist states as a check on global elites.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Plymouth or Boodles. I'll drink Sapphire but it's gin for people who don't really like gin.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Right, but:
Things have improved from where everyone feared they may not improve. The fact that they have coupled with the fact that we still have room to improve are both reasons for the Fed not to tighten now (along with below-target inflation).

Which it will do.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Yes to the Plymouth - very good stuff (as Wonk noted a while ago, it was the gin of choice of Travis McGee) (although John D. MacDonald thought the quality went down, so in later books he had Travis bitch and moan about how mass production ruins everything, especially Plymouth gin). Also yes to Boodles.

Heck, when I'm in the mood for a Martini, G&T, or a Tom Collins, I like pretty much any gin other than bathtub gin. Won't make a Martini out of the well brands that come in plastic bottles, but even those are fine with a Collins made with freshly squeezed lemon juice.

It's Coltrane! Hope this isn't just a drive-by ...

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

That is one way of taking it.

One could take it in the direction implied by its title: That we are moving toward something akin to a Global Brazil (not the movie).

Without the conflict you note, the arbitrage you cite will create extreme inequality in developed economies while simultaneously decreasing wealth inequality in developing and frontier markets. As developing and frontier markets become more developed, however, they will also become victims of the arbitrage.

At all times, the minute labor costs anywhere exceed the cost of offshoring or automating that labor, that labor will be immediately offshored or automated. Capitalism will accelerate, running around the globe and developing nascent middle classes, only to snuff them as soon as they become more expensive than the next available undeveloped labor pool (or robotics).

Only through conflict can regions retain autonomy enough to hedge against labor and regulatory arbitrage. And only through conflict can states retain autonomy adequate to hedge against the power of global corporations.

It means:

a. It's a really bad time to be in the labor force of a mature developed economy;
b. It'll be a bad thing to be in the labor force of a recently developed one in the near future;
c. It's a good time to be in the labor force of just emerging economy (except you're still probably getting paid like shit... but still-- it beats being utterly destitute);
d. Expect more Putins, Erdogans, Trumps, and Brexits as states realize their control has ebbed a lot further than they think and can only be reasserted by balkanization; and,
e. Expect an increasingly pitched battle between the ideology of linkage (EU, neoliberal economics) and balance of power stasis (Westphalianism).

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

I liked the way it brought in so much and tied it together. It was like an encapsulation of Kissinger's World Order in under 10 pages. The cost of tying things together so comprehensively is visiting subjects and ideas with which many readers are already well acquainted.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

I waste ink on this because I can't believe you believe this (if you're just fucking with me, touche...).

I know regrets, but they aren't many, and really -- what's the point of them?

There are a number of people I regret not having made a better effort to get into bed. These are true regrets... and they haunt me.

Trump is a giant joke -- the Bluth Family come to DC. We deserve him, and he deserves what he's getting. And I keep an open mind. He might just be be the catastrophe that compels the country to get its shit straight.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Actually, no, I cited regulatory arbitrage. The article also discusses labor cost arbitrage. And one serious challenge to its premise is while that type of arbitrage has very much taken place, the evidence that it has significantly reduced employment in developed countries is lacking to non-existent.
I'll grant that it could be a factor in suppressing median wages, though.

"Victims." You mean that they get sufficiently wealthy that there's cheaper labor elsewhere. This is a "problem" that developing nations are aching to have.

You have to get off this "immediate" idea. Literally everything is sticky.

And these decisions are more complicated than straight comparison, including things like political instability, transportation costs, consumer preferences and perception.

All kinds of things that could be produced more cheaply in China are still currently produced here. Eventually, they may all be produced in Liberia, but that's going to take a very long while.

You know what has snuffed middle classes (I was going to say nothing, but that's not true)? Conflict, authoritarianism and totalitarian ideologies. Really, I'm not sure it would be unfair to say that the world works exactly opposite of who this author thinks.

All very Marxy, up to and including that those things are efficiency enhancing - they facilitate greater global consumption at lower cost. It takes a particularly weird world view to think that's bad.

Which is great as long as you ignore the costs.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Comes a time when we need a step change in political and policy response, rather than just letting the Fed do its thing. Or maybe you like the current Administration?

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

There's an implicit assumption here that inequality is driven by globalization. It's possible, but it's also possible that absent globalization you would see inequality. On that question, it seems like Piketty is the place to start, and this is not adding a whole lot.

Relatedly, there's the question of what, if anything, counters inequality. I know that you've given up on politics, but that seems premature to me. It's not clear to me why conflict would reduce inequality. You can easily imagine the opposite to be true.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Totally! I think about him withdrawing from the Paris Accord and I am all like LOL, ROTFLMAO, STFU!!!!! And why did Kushner want a secret line of communication with Putin??? WE DON'T KNOW!!! *giggle* :D He won't tell and if compelled, he'll just lie!!! Joke's on us, it looks like! *snicker* :rolleyes:

Here is Matata from Kenya doing a pretty good JB imitation. The Daily Dose is "I Feel Funky":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbCuQwnbUpM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Automation panic in 1958, via Tyler Cowen.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Inequality in the world in general is down (cf. Hans Rosling).

No one has still addressed my point that incomes across all quartiles have been either steady or rising, so how do we know the "new" jobs are worse than the "old" jobs? I understand they're different, but I don't think they're all at McDonalds, because they seem to pay about the same as before (not speaking here to nontaxable benefits).

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