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Gattigap 11-02-2005 11:17 AM

Republican Majority for Choice's position (non-position) on Alito
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
What does George Carlin think of the nomination?
11:30pm, Tue. HBOS. Check it out.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:17 AM

freekee laydeez
 
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And the question is why men think that women perceivers will like the images, right?
they appreciate honesty? Pictures=truth in advertising. [hi hank!] there is a lot of self-serving hyperbole on the internet.[/hi hank!]

the pictures separate the wheat from the chaff, sts.

Hank Chinaski 11-02-2005 11:17 AM

freekee laydeez
 
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What's amasing is that the "Blue Boy reference as a homophobically charged zinger" has been around for over 30 years. I wonder if it has the legs to outlast the Demos Hate America First philosophy?
what are the names of some newer magazines? I'll go back and edit.

Captain 11-02-2005 11:18 AM

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In addition to taking the under on Slave's 64 yeas for Alito (calling the vote of 52), I also predict that history will regard the Bush administration's terrorist imprisonment approaches to be a nadir not only for american foreign policy but also for its role as the leader of the free world. Although it may ultimately be something of an historical footnote, like McCarthyism, it will be a noted one.

Good lord--the ends do not always justify the means.
I note that I have 53 , so your play is one below mine. I'm thinking of changing to 51 (which, of course, can be either a 51-50 or a 51-49), but it doesn't leave much room for error. I feel trapped.

I agree on the Guantanamo issue; Bush's greatest fear right now has to be that ten years from now he is seen as the President who got us into a still-deepening Iraq quagmire and who cheapened the constitution and dirtied America's image.

He needs to find some other significant accomplishment in his second term, such as a shift in the Supreme Court or a significant revision of the tax code, while finding a way to disengage from Iraq and sweep Guantanamo under the rug, simply to preserve his legacy and to leave the Republicans in a position to win the next election.

Secret_Agent_Man 11-02-2005 11:20 AM

Hi.
 
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I appreciate the plug but I believe you are giving me way to much credit. Substance is not my strong suit. I think you need to cross swords with either Penske or Hank on the right, or Sidd or Ty on the left. That way you might (just might) get a substantive response.
Spanky, you hurt me -- and do no justice to several fine posters. In any event, as to Penske it depends on how his meds are working that day and for Hank, the lunar cycle.

S_A_M

Captain 11-02-2005 11:22 AM

Hi.
 
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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Spanky, you hurt me -- and do no justice to several fine posters. In any event, as to Penske it depends on how his meds are working that day and for Hank, the lunar cycle.

S_A_M
I, too, am deeply hurt.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:24 AM

Republican Majority for Choice's position (non-position) on Alito
 
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Originally posted by Gattigap
11:30pm, Tue. HBOS. Check it out.
Here's a preview:

"Scalito's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, children could not be taught about evolution........"

After that he is going to smash a succession of watermelons with his penis.

The dems have a highly refined sense of satirical humour.

nononono 11-02-2005 11:24 AM

freekee laydeez
 
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The old mean Hank would ask you if you don't really like them, IRL.
Wait, I thought you were being mean for the rest of the year.

But even if I said I love them like lollipops and have a piuc of one as my screensaver, that still wouldn't mean I'd have to be a girl, now, would it?

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:26 AM

freekee laydeez
 
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what are the names of some newer magazines? I'll go back and edit.
It's all internet based. Most of the guys in my lockerroom like trannysurprise.com, firsttimemanlove.com and their sister sites.

nononono 11-02-2005 11:28 AM

freekee laydeez
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
they appreciate honesty? Pictures=truth in advertising. [hi hank!] there is a lot of self-serving hyperbole on the internet.[/hi hank!]

the pictures separate the wheat from the chaff, sts.
Fine, fine, but that's still "honesty" (aka, bragging, aka, sometimes delusional) about something men (generalizing) think is the most important, not necessarily women.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-02-2005 11:29 AM

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We need a CIA doing things we don't know about. Scrutiny of the CIA in the 70s and 80s killed it.
Of what benefit is it to hide the existence of interrogation prisons other than to avoid international scrutiny? This isn't covert ops, which are, understandably, covert. Once you've caught them and are interrogating them all but the information gleaned can be public without serious threat to intelligence gathering efforts.

But maybe what you're saying is that torture is justified in these circumstances.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-02-2005 11:30 AM

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The supermajority of American patriots would just as soon see the terrorists summarily executed after we extract the info by any means necessary.
Sure, as would I. But I take a somewhat longer view that the lex talionis perhaps is quite costly in the long run. As much as I'd like to kill anyone who raped my wife immediately, I recognize that as a civilization of civilized people we actually are better off by committing that responsibility to the state.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:32 AM

freekee laydeez
 
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Originally posted by nononono
Fine, fine, but that's still "honesty" (aka, bragging, aka, sometimes delusional) about something men (generalizing) think is the most important, not necessarily women.
Not having engaged in the commercial opportunities that Craigslist offers, my guess is that for a "nsa afternoon delite asap" the contents of those pictures are more relevant than "favourite colour" and "hobbies/interests".

Secret_Agent_Man 11-02-2005 11:33 AM

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We need a CIA doing things we don't know about. Scrutiny of the CIA in the 70s and 80s killed it.
Some things, yes, but I think not this thing.

I called this on the Board over a year ago, and am glad this is getting more publicity now. [The revelation that we ("the OGA") hid some prisoners at Abu Ghraib from the ICRC was a huge clue.] I'm also very glad that this stuff makes some members of the Agency (and many members of the FBI and the military) upset and uncomfortable.

In order to ultimately preserve the freedoms we cherish -- and to avoid the sort of dictatorship that Penske babbles about -- we must have our ideals (democratic and human rights, etc.) instilled in those who serve in our nation's military and security organs. After all, it is ultimately that self-restraint, and the acceptance of civilian oversight and control, among those agencies which prevent such a dictatorship.

This is not what my family members and I served and/or fought for. If it continues unchecked, the day will come when I no longer recognize my country.

S_A_M

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Of what benefit is it to hide the existence of interrogation prisons other than to avoid international scrutiny? This isn't covert ops, which are, understandably, covert. Once you've caught them and are interrogating them all but the information gleaned can be public without serious threat to intelligence gathering efforts.

But maybe what you're saying is that torture is justified in these circumstances.
what's the benefit, other than Q ratings in France?

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:36 AM

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Sure, as would I. But I take a somewhat longer view that the lex talionis perhaps is quite costly in the long run. As much as I'd like to kill anyone who raped my wife immediately, I recognize that as a civilization of civilized people we actually are better off by committing that responsibility to the state.

In war, if an enemy combatant shoots your wife on the battlefield, it's okay to shoot back.

Also, I am fairly certain that it is the State that is running the black sites.

Gattigap 11-02-2005 11:36 AM

Republican Majority for Choice's position (non-position) on Alito
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Here's a preview:

"Scalito's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, children could not be taught about evolution........"

After that he is going to smash a succession of watermelons with his penis.

The dems have a highly refined sense of satirical humour.
Actually, I was referring to Carlin's unforgettable role as Eddie in The Prince of Tides. From what I can tell, Hank is divining Democratic talking points from the rich fabric of Tom Wingo's tortured psyche.

nononono 11-02-2005 11:37 AM

freekee laydeez
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Not having engaged in the commercial opportunities that Craigslist offers, my guess is that for a "nsa afternoon delite asap" the contents of those pictures are more relevant than "favourite colour" and "hobbies/interests".
Good point, sts, npi.

Though I really can't imagine looking at one of those pictures and thinking, oh, I want *that* and who cares what it's attached to.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Some things, yes, but I think not this thing.

I called this on the Board over a year ago, and am glad this is getting more publicity now. [The revelation that we ("the OGA") hid some prisoners at Abu Ghraib from the ICRC was a huge clue.] I'm also very glad that this stuff makes some members of the Agency (and many members of the FBI and the military) upset and uncomfortable.

In order to ultimately preserve the freedoms we cherish -- and to avoid the sort of dictatorship that Penske babbles about -- we must have our ideals (democratic and human rights, etc.) instilled in those who serve in our nation's military and security organs. After all, it is ultimately that self-restraint, and the acceptance of civilian oversight and control, among those agencies which prevent such a dictatorship.

This is not what my family members and I served and/or fought for. If it continues unchecked, the day will come when I no longer recognize my country.

S_A_M
Much as the Founders would not recognize our country of today after generations of liberal defilement and destruction of our institutions and ideals.

Secret_Agent_Man 11-02-2005 11:41 AM

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Much as the Founders would not recognize our country of today after generations of liberal defilement and destruction of our institutions and ideals.
Wouldn't recognize the country -- true. But some of them would like that we abolished slavery.

I keep telling you P -- two blue pills and one red in the morning. ONE red.

S_A_M

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:41 AM

freekee laydeez
 
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Good point, sts, npi.

Though I really can't imagine looking at one of those pictures and thinking, oh, I want *that* and who cares what it's attached to.
Maybe Fringie can [npi] weigh in [/npi] on her review criteria for ads/pictures.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-02-2005 11:44 AM

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In war, if an enemy combatant shoots your wife on the battlefield, it's okay to shoot back.

Also, I am fairly certain that it is the State that is running the black sites.
These aren't terrorists shooting on teh battlefield, and we're not shooting back. When was the last time we were in Thailand in battle? (and I'll even let you count Viet Nam)?

As for the State, sure, so why not make it public like we do with all trials?

nononono 11-02-2005 11:44 AM

freekee laydeez
 
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Maybe Fringie can [npi] weigh in [/npi] on her review criteria for ads/pictures.
I thought she was anti-stand-alone*-penis pictures, but maybe I skimmed too quickly.


*sts, etc.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:45 AM

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Wouldn't recognize the country -- true. But some of them would like that we abolished slavery.

M
Yes, thank God and his son, the babyjesuschristsuperstar, that we had a Republican President with moral strength during the Civil War.

Although Kleagle Byrd is probably still cursing history over that one.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-02-2005 11:45 AM

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Much as the Founders would not recognize our country of today after generations of liberal defilement and destruction of our institutions and ideals.
Even under the most narrow reading of the constitution as understood in 1789, the founders would not likely have thought that the principles embodied in the 5th, 6th and 7th amendments were advanced by foreign, covert prisons.

Not Bob 11-02-2005 11:48 AM

a gift to penske
 
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Originally posted by nononono
I thought she was anti-stand-alone*-penis pictures, but maybe I skimmed too quickly.


*sts, etc.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:49 AM

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I keep telling you P -- two blue pills and one red in the morning. ONE red.

S_A_M
I work in healthcare, as have a lot of members of my immediate family and I have to say that it is really uncool and insensitive to make jokes about mental illness, especially since there are probably a couple of unhinged liberals here who actuallywrestle with med compliancy on a daily basis, as evidenced by their posts.

I thought you had more class than that S_A_M.

ltl/fb 11-02-2005 11:49 AM

freekee laydeez
 
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Originally posted by nononono
I thought she was anti-stand-alone*-penis pictures, but maybe I skimmed too quickly.


*sts, etc.
You are correct.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
These aren't terrorists shooting on teh battlefield, and we're not shooting back. When was the last time we were in Thailand in battle? (and I'll even let you count Viet Nam)?

As for the State, sure, so why not make it public like we do with all trials?
We are following local custom at the sites' locale.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:51 AM

freekee laydeez
 
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Originally posted by nononono
I thought she was anti-stand-alone*-penis pictures, but maybe I skimmed too quickly.


*sts, etc.
I have her on ignore, so I don't actually know.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-02-2005 11:52 AM

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We are following local custom at the sites' locale.
Sweet! Race to the bottom!

Can we reopen the gulags to take create some more room in the Texas penal system?

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Even under the most narrow reading of the constitution as understood in 1789, the founders would not likely have thought that the principles embodied in the 5th, 6th and 7th amendments were advanced by foreign, covert prisons.
I'm not sure that they would have thought that the constitution applied in the locales in question.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 11:54 AM

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Sweet! Race to the bottom!

Can we reopen the gulags to take create some more room in the Texas penal system?
Why do you hate Texas?

Captain 11-02-2005 11:55 AM

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Wouldn't recognize the country -- true. But some of them would like that we abolished slavery.

S_A_M
As John Adams said, the Declaration of Independence was just the seed of a Democracy that would grow. Many of the Founders would be very heartened to see us today, even if a bit amazed by many of the changes.

sgtclub 11-02-2005 11:57 AM

more demo racism?
 
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So B(NS)BW trolling Craigslist.com do not have a premium intangible value attached?
I now "BBW" but what's (NS)?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-02-2005 12:02 PM

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Why do you hate Texas?
I like Texas, although I prefer the pork barbecue to the beef.

I was using it as an example. Substitute your choice of state with a prison system and a rich tradition of incarceration for Texas if you prefer.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-02-2005 12:04 PM

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I'm not sure that they would have thought that the constitution applied in the locales in question.
So the idea of spreading U.S.-style democracy to the rest of the world is a dead end?

Remind me why we're in Iraq again? Is it because we thought that their totalitarian government was the way the world should be run?

Replaced_Texan 11-02-2005 12:11 PM

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I like Texas, although I prefer the pork barbecue to the beef.

I was using it as an example. Substitute your choice of state with a prison system and a rich tradition of incarceration for Texas if you prefer.
The City Meat Market in Giddings, Texas has the best barbeque in the whole wide world* and it is primarily pork based.



*I can produce two other GAs who can back this claim up. And I'm not sleeping with either one of them.

nononono 11-02-2005 12:14 PM

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The City Meat Market in Giddings, Texas has the best barbeque in the whole wide world* and it is primarily pork based.



*I can produce two other GAs who can back this claim up. And I'm not sleeping with either one of them.
We are talking pulled pork, yes? That stuff (generally - I'venever been to the place you mention) is a gift from God.

Captain 11-02-2005 12:14 PM

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I'm not sure that they would have thought that the constitution applied in the locales in question.
So you think the Founders believed in limited government up to our borders, and unlimited government beyond?

I suspect the Founders would have had differing views on the topic; remember, some, like Hamilton, believed that the acts of several states in seizing and selling assets (including in some cases assets on the high seas) of Tories who fled the country and claimed no US citizenship were improper and, once the constituion existed, unconstitutional. So they would have applied the constitution to protect assets of aliens abroad from the federal government.


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