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Tyrone Slothrop 08-18-2017 12:47 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-18-2017 12:57 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 509596)
I'm not seeing much difference in the empirical reality that both of you perceive. Sebby feels that it's counterproductive to emphasize the degree to which many people act out of prejudice and bigotry, and Adder feels that it's counterproductive to understate it. Both of you would like to pretend that the other is saying something extreme, rather than assuming the other has good motivations and might have a point.

And everyone misses the point.

Pretty much all of American literature is about bigotry. It is central to our identity. The never ending struggle with our dark side is as defining to who we are as much as our idealistic side embracing freedom, equality and justice. If you don't deal with prejudice and bigotry, you're probably not American. Maybe Canadian?

Hank Chinaski 08-18-2017 01:01 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 509596)
I'm not seeing much difference in the empirical reality that both of you perceive. Sebby feels that it's counterproductive to emphasize the degree to which many people act out of prejudice and bigotry, and Adder feels that it's counterproductive to understate it. Both of you would like to pretend that the other is saying something extreme, rather than assuming the other has good motivations and might have a point.

We already have a NotBob

Tyrone Slothrop 08-18-2017 01:28 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 509599)
We already have a NotBob

I wasn't trying to be so nice about it -- sorry.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-18-2017 01:29 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 509598)
And everyone misses the point.

Pretty much all of American literature is about bigotry. It is central to our identity. The never ending struggle with our dark side is as defining to who we are as much as our idealistic side embracing freedom, equality and justice. If you don't deal with prejudice and bigotry, you're probably not American. Maybe Canadian?

Democrats should keep attacking Trump for cozying up to Nazis and racists, rather than letting him reframe things about Civil War monuments. A lot of people are OK with leaving Civil War monuments up. Nazis is a better wedge issue, and it's more focused on him.

ferrets_bueller 08-18-2017 02:00 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Bannon leaves today.

A rodent leaving a floundering vessel.

Adder 08-18-2017 04:46 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller (Post 509602)
Bannon leaves today.

A rodent leaving a floundering vessel.

It will be interesting to see if there is actually a rift between the WH and Breitbart now.

soup sandwich 08-18-2017 05:42 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 509592)
What about brother/aunt?

I'll allow it.

sgtclub 08-18-2017 07:48 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 509566)
See Club? Consider yourself updated. How is it going with you?

All good, thanks. World has changed and Club with it. Never thought I'd vote for Hillary, but desperate times and all.

You?

sgtclub 08-18-2017 07:51 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 509603)
It will be interesting to see if there is actually a rift between the WH and Breitbart now.

I sure hope so. That would be epic. No holds barred. The Donald could not resist.

sgtclub 08-18-2017 08:32 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 509601)
Democrats should keep attacking Trump for cozying up to Nazis and racists, rather than letting him reframe things about Civil War monuments. A lot of people are OK with leaving Civil War monuments up. Nazis is a better wedge issue, and it's more focused on him.

Both parties should be doing this.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-19-2017 03:51 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 509607)
Both parties should be doing this.

Hey, from your lips to Paul Ryan's ear, but I'm not holding my breath.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-19-2017 04:55 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Disappointing if true:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHmexHfVoAIOP4L.jpg

sebastian_dangerfield 08-20-2017 03:02 PM

From the Right Wing Circle Jerk...
 
Received this from 5 different GOP/Indie friends over past couple days.

The information siloing since Trump is amazing: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1642976...ysteria-bubble

It's like the right and left live on different planets.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-20-2017 06:33 PM

Re: From the Right Wing Circle Jerk...
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 509610)
Received this from 5 different GOP/Indie friends over past couple days.

The information siloing since Trump is amazing: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1642976...ysteria-bubble

It's like the right and left live on different planets.

Dismissing half the country (or more) as hysterical is one strategy.

"My upcoming book, Win Bigly, tells you how to persuade others." I think Adder would have more luck there, and that's not saying much.

eta: The thing that was different this week was that it was about Nazis and white supremacy, not just racists, and Trump couldn't bring himself to say those things are wrong. He and his defenders are trying to make it about "race" more generally so that they can tell a story with two sides. But most people in the country find it easy to say Nazis are bad, and Trump doesn't. (And it's not that he doesn't want to be a moral leader -- he has not problem condemning Islamic terrorism, illegal immigration, fake news and leaks. That doesn't seem to have occurred to Adams.)


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