LawTalkers - Waiting for Fitzgerald

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I approve of your rotating avatars. It gives me someone to compete against, and shows how fine mine are. Like how Disney World likes Universal being down the road.

SAM you need to go back. I keep having this kneejerk reaction to get mean to you, and I like you. This did not happen pre-dumping old familar avatar.

balt, I know you won't listen to me, or anyone else who cares about you enough to give you valid advice, but you need to change your avatar. It doesn't suit you.

I'll think about it. I got bored with the old one.

Picture of the world from high above too peaceful for you? Do you like it better than the huge reptilian eye?

S_A_M

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
That is not an irrational position -- but I disagree with its application here.

S_A_M

Another reason why America has not elected you as its CinC.

also, I really thought you were above that type of back handed insult. I now know what the babyjesuschristsuperstar felt like when Peter betrayed him 3 times.

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I'll think about it. I got bored with the old one.

Picture of the world from high above too peaceful for you? Do you like it better than the huge reptilian eye?

S_A_M

All of the stock avatars suck. Go find something marginally more original.

Secret_Agent_Man

11-02-2005 03:15 PM

The White Elephant on the Board (npi)

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Originally posted by Captain
I'm curious. What position of mine have you found to be particularly left-wing?

Don't waste too many electrons on responding to post like that. He can be interesting when coherent, but that post is not a promising start to a thread.

S_A_M

sebastian_dangerfield

11-02-2005 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
You're right that most people don't know much about it, and that most people don't get all hot and bothered about old news like that.

However, they don't do that stuff if "nobody gives a rat's ass." For example, I am not a member of "the fringe left" by anybody's definition -- nor was Daniel Inouye for that matter [use Google] -- but I care about it.

Your continued ability to project your particular blend of elitism, cynicism, paranoia, and self-interest onto the world at large is fascinating.

S_A_M

Lemme get this straight... People are not ignorant about something, and never even ask about it, unless they really care about it?

On your second point, two people care. Where's that get you?

I am not paranoid.

BTW, its funny one who's projecting his own cares on the greater world would chide me for projecting a lacking of caring on it. I think my assumption is a tad stronger.

SlaveNoMore

11-02-2005 03:18 PM

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paigowprincess
Gross abuse of power, little man.

Tell it someone who gives a rats ass what you think.

Oddly enough, you won't find anyone who posts here to fit this description.

Secret_Agent_Man

11-02-2005 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
also, I really thought you were above that type of back handed insult. I now know what the babyjesuschristsuperstar felt like when Peter betrayed him 3 times.

I thought I was being nice. Acknowledging that the other side of a position is not irrational is a comparative rarity here.

If you're at all serious, please explain what you think you read. I prefer my insults to be intentional -- if it was clever enough, I may use it again.

S_A_M

Captain

11-02-2005 03:19 PM

The White Elephant on the Board (npi)

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Don't waste too many electrons on responding to post like that. He can be interesting when coherent, but that post is not a promising start to a thread.

S_A_M

He confirmed what I suspected, which is that his own broadsides have nothing to do with the substance of my positions, only with the fact that I find his nonsense annoying and generally just ignore it. I'll wait for those coherent moments, but my understanding is that the awakenings tend to come less and less frequently as the disease advances, and last for shorter and shorter periods when they do come.

But, you are right, no need for more energy on this thread. Thanks.

Secret_Agent_Man

11-02-2005 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
All of the stock avatars suck. Go find something marginally more original.

I don't really know how. I am not techno-savvy.

S_A_M

Secret_Agent_Man

11-02-2005 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
On your second point, two people [not on the fringe left] care. Where's that get you?

It proves you wrong.

But then, arguing about minutia like this is pointless -- serves me right for treating your hyperbole seriously and literally.

S_A_M

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I thought I was being nice. Acknowledging that the other side of a position is not irrational is a comparative rarity here.

If you're at all serious, please explain what you think you read. I prefer my insults to be intentional -- if it was clever enough, I may use it again.

S_A_M

"at all serious" is a very sliding scale, but I'll bite, I sensed an implication that some of my other posts may be "irrational". Uncool PoPD and unfair.

Secret_Agent_Man

11-02-2005 03:26 PM

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"at all serious" is a very sliding scale, but I'll bite, I sensed an implication that some of my other posts may be "irrational". Uncool PoPD and unfair.

Oh. . . touchy, touchy.

I did not intend to imply that with that post. ;)

S_A_M

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 03:26 PM

The White Elephant on the Board (npi)

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Originally posted by Captain
but my understanding is that the awakenings tend to come less and less frequently as the disease advances, and last for shorter and shorter periods when they do come.
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Another ignorant degradation of the people here who actually may be mentally ill. It's amasing that so-called liberals will decry racism (other than their own), sexism, fatish et al but think its okay to use mental illness as an insult. The bias of the left is tragic.

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 03:28 PM

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I don't really know how. I am not techno-savvy.

S_A_M

Do you want me to ask my lover.....er....Hank's wife to assist you?

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Oh. . . touchy, touchy.

I did not intend to imply that with that post. ;)

S_A_M

I withdraw my inference. Kumbayah.

SlaveNoMore

11-02-2005 03:34 PM

The Idiot of the Board, indeed

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Penske_Account
STP.

Keep it up, retard

Gattigap

11-02-2005 03:35 PM

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In October 2003, retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper, head of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, revealed that vehicle traffic photographed by U.S. spy satellites indicated that material and documents related to Saddam's forbidden WMD programs had been shipped to Syria before the war.

AP Wire? Safe to click?

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 03:37 PM

The Idiot of the Board, indeed

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Keep it up, retard

I call PoPD!

I thought you were above that. Now I know what Hairyette Miers felt like.

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 03:37 PM

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AP Wire? Safe to click?

do you have MS IE?

Sexual Harassment Panda

11-02-2005 03:45 PM

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Well, Condi has said they had no such information, and David Kay, who is quote in that article, has since said he also doesn't believe that WMDs were moved to Syria.

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 03:49 PM

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Well, Condi has said they had no such information, and David Kay, who is quote in that article, has since said he also doesn't believe that WMDs were moved to Syria.

And some other people/intelligence says that they did, including in that article. When we invade and inspect Syria we will know for sure.

taxwonk

11-02-2005 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
As anyone who has ever tasted decent pulled pork knows, that is just proof positive that their God is false.

There is only on God, and em is not false. It's the humans and their rituals that are universally fucked up.

taxwonk

11-02-2005 03:51 PM

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I thought you were a big fan of ... reasoning, Penske.

S_A_M

There you go again.

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 03:53 PM

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There is only on God, and em is not false. It's the humans and their rituals that are universally fucked up.

Are you saying my solidarity with the jews and the moderate radical islamics over our shared boycott of the pork is misplaced?

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 03:53 PM

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There you go again.

I call false and slanderous PoPD!

Sexual Harassment Panda

11-02-2005 04:01 PM

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And some other people/intelligence says that they did, including in that article. When we invade and inspect Syria we will know for sure.

It's not a game of counting up the number of sources on each side of an issue. Condi (i.e., State), among others, is supposed to look at all the evidence and come up with an analysis of the most likely situation. If I can get 40 people to say that there are WMDs strapped to the backs of penguins hiding in the NY sewer system, and Hank is down there guiding them to their final destinations via a remote control device, I would hope somebody in DC would look at all the evidence pro and con and decide whether that makes sense. This is the kind of reasoning that got us into Iraq in the first place, and we all know how that WMD hunt turned out.

taxwonk

11-02-2005 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The Iraq prison abuse is disgusting. Those people don’t deserve to be treated as they were.

But the Afghanis who fought with the Taliban or AQ deserve every cruel and unusual form of punishment we can dream up and inflict. We shouldn’t torture them, but I’m not going to stand up and cry about it. Its pretty fucking low on my to do list, which is right where it belongs.

There’s also an element of caveat emptor at work here... If you fight for the Taliban or AQ - if you believe its OK to murder women in soccer stadiums for adultery - You’re taking a huge goddamn risk of having someone who doesn’t agree with such noxious behavior placing a bullet in your head. Lay down with dogs... etc...

So you're saying that it's okay to torture, kill, and abuse people who believe it's okay to torture, kill, and abuse people?

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
It's not a game of counting up the number of sources on each side of an issue. Condi (i.e., State), among others, is supposed to look at all the evidence and come up with an analysis of the most likely situation. If I can get 40 people to say that there are WMDs strapped to the backs of penguins hiding in the NY sewer system, and Hank is down there guiding them to their final destinations via a remote control device, I would hope somebody in DC would look at all the evidence pro and con and decide whether that makes sense. This is the kind of reasoning that got us into Iraq in the first place, and we all know how that WMD hunt turned out.

I am not looking to 40 guys on the street. I am looking at what Israeli intelligence was telling us. I will give them more credence for on the ground intelligence in the ME than I give State (or Condi).

Nut Penske

11-02-2005 04:03 PM

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FYI, NTTAWWT, FWIW, I've heard that all the WMD were moved to Seattle.

I say bomb the babyjebesus out of them first, ask questions later.

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 04:03 PM

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So you're saying that it's okay to torture, kill, and abuse people who believe it's okay to torture, kill, and abuse people?

In self defence. Plus God told Bush it was okay.

taxwonk

11-02-2005 04:05 PM

The Plantation Party

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Black Democratic leaders in Maryland say that racially tinged attacks against Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele in his bid for the U.S. Senate are fair because he is a conservative Republican.

Such attacks against the first black man to win a statewide election in Maryland include pelting him with Oreo cookies during a campaign appearance, calling him an "Uncle Tom" and depicting him as a black-faced minstrel on a liberal Web log.

Operatives for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) also obtained a copy of his credit report -- the only Republican candidate so targeted.

But black Democrats say there is nothing wrong with "pointing out the obvious."

"There is a difference between pointing out the obvious and calling someone names," said a campaign spokesman for Kweisi Mfume, a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate and former president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

State Sen. Lisa A. Gladden, a black Baltimore Democrat, said she does not expect her party to pull any punches, including racial jabs at Mr. Steele, in the race to replace retiring Democratic U.S. Sen. Paul S. Sarbanes.

"Party trumps race, especially on the national level," she said. "If you are bold enough to run, you have to take whatever the voters are going to give you. It's democracy, perhaps at its worse, but it is democracy."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro...4932-4054r.htm

What a bunch of racist fucks.

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 04:06 PM

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FYI, NTTAWWT, FWIW, I've heard that all the WMD were moved to Seattle.

I say bomb the babyjebesus out of them first, ask questions later.

It is interesting that someone hates America so much that they would advocate bombing fellow Americans indiscriminately. This is the most classless, hateful, shitstained post I have ever seen on this or any internet chatboard, including the DU.

I am emailing Ty to see about deletion.

Penske_Account

11-02-2005 04:07 PM

The Plantation Party

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Originally posted by taxwonk
What a bunch of racist fucks.

2. I tried to warn you.

Spanky

11-02-2005 04:16 PM

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By protection all we are talking about is due process and avoidance of cruel and unusual punishment.

I think many of the founding fathers would have, at the least, expected to treat foreigners of high birth or who were officers in the opposing forces with such respect and protection. Many would have extended that treatment to all foreign combatants. That is not to say they would not have hung them after the trial.

Remember, these were people who were actively engaged in risking their lives fighting for the principal that all men were endowed by their creator with unalienable rights. That is "all men" not "Americans" or "citizens".

Give me a break. You think these guys would have given any due process to muslim terrorists in their day. If a muslim from Tripoli had dressed himself up as a colonial and blew himself up with the intention to kill women and children, there would have been no due process. His partners in crime, if still in the US, would have been tortured to find information about other conspirators and they would have all been shot.

A soldier in a foreign army in uniform is one thing. But they killed spies right on sight (Washington hung Beneditct Arnold's coconspirator right when they caught him). And that is a spy that was not out to kill women and children. A spy (somone dressed in civilian clothes) out to kill women and children would have not received any mercy or any rights from the colonials. Escpecially if he was a religious fanatic.

Secret_Agent_Man

11-02-2005 04:20 PM

The Plantation Party

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Originally posted by taxwonk
What a bunch of racist fucks.

In fairness to my state Party, the Dems in Maryland had nothing to do with the minstrel depiction of Steele. That blog is run by an African-American from New York whose politics are of the "progressive" persuasion. I don't think he's even a Democrat.

Steele is well-liked in Maryland - seems to me like a really good guy whose politics are slightly misguided.

I'm really surprised by the Oreo thing -- would have thought that I would have heard about it. Maybe the Washington Times has breaking news. I think that all of this stuff is beyond the pale. sts. npi.

S_A_M

Shape Shifter

11-02-2005 04:21 PM

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I am not looking to 40 guys on the street. I am looking at what Israeli intelligence was telling us. I will give them more credence for on the ground intelligence in the ME than I give State (or Condi).

We're outsourcing our intelligence to other countries now? What if their motives are different than ours?

Sexual Harassment Panda

11-02-2005 04:22 PM

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It is interesting that someone hates America so much that they would advocate bombing fellow Americans indiscriminately. This is the most classless, hateful, shitstained post I have ever seen on this or any internet chatboard, including the DU.

I am emailing Ty to see about deletion.

Chill out, dude. If you're on one of the islands, the prevailing winds should blow the debris clouds eastward, and just think of the real estate investment opportunities that will open up for you!!

Shape Shifter

11-02-2005 04:22 PM

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Give me a break. You think these guys would have given any due process to muslim terrorists in their day. If a muslim from Tripoli had dressed himself up as a colonial and blew himself up with the intention to kill women and children, there would have been no due process. His partners in crime, if still in the US, would have been tortured to find information about other conspirators and they would have all been shot.

A soldier in a foreign army in uniform is one thing. But they killed spies right on sight (Washington hung Beneditct Arnold's coconspirator right when they caught him). And that is a spy that was not out to kill women and children. A spy (somone dressed in civilian clothes) out to kill women and children would have not received any mercy or any rights from the colonials. Escpecially if he was a religious fanatic.

Were we signatories to the Geneva Convention then?

Sexual Harassment Panda

11-02-2005 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
We're outsourcing our intelligence to other countries now? What if their motives are different than ours?

Generally you worry about that but not in the case of the Israelis. They're our friends, and we are theirs.

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