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Spanky 11-02-2005 08:03 PM

Hatemasters
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I'll defer to your greater knowledge and concede. However, I'll offer this... have the next GOP Prez raise taxes and see if he gets a second term.
Some how they main stream Republicans have taken on the tax issue as their own. People that don't even really benefit from tax cuts, chant it like a mantra. The most hardcore no new tax Republicans are the religious conservatives. It is the principle or something.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And NY, CA and MA would give them away for free - like those AOL CD-Roms.

It's beauty of the thing.
exactly


It's not like anyone wants to live in Utah anyway. You go there to ski maybe.

SlaveNoMore 11-02-2005 08:09 PM

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Spanky
You make it sound like the GOP is just the business community and fiscal conservatives. I really, really, really, wish that were true. But the Republican party is much more than that. You add up the business community and fiscal conservatives and you can't even elect a dog catcher.

Bush, in those debates, kept preaching the same message over and over again. He may have not said it eloquently, but he kept repeating the same message and it really resonated with voters. The vast majority of voters say they though Kerry won the debates but most viewers liked Bush's message.

I have seen focus groups on this. It is amazing how he connected with voters in those debates.

Do you even know what the message was?
"Now watch this swing!!!"

SlaveNoMore 11-02-2005 08:11 PM

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Penske_Account
exactly

It's not like anyone wants to live in Utah anyway. You go there to ski maybe.
Right. So the lesson to be learned here - is that if you fuck in a Park City hot tub, make sure you go home in a month or two... just in case.

ltl/fb 11-02-2005 08:18 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
Bush, in those debates, kept preaching the same message over and over again. He may have not said it eloquently, but he kept repeating the same message and it really resonated with voters. The vast majority of voters say they though Kerry won the debates but most viewers liked Bush's message.

I have seen focus groups on this. It is amazing how he connected with voters in those debates.

Do you even know what the message was?
Does anyone, including the people who, when polled immediately after the debates, said they liked it? Actually, do you think that the majority of the people who said they liked Bush's message could have said what that message was?

Has anyone else seen the fake news clip where they are interviewing the guy who makes up the "misstatements" Bush makes constantly -- it's about how really he is perfectly coherent, and his "put food on our families" and made-up words stuff is scripted to make him seem more accessible. It's funny.

Sexual Harassment Panda 11-02-2005 08:19 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
Some how they main stream Republicans have taken on the tax issue as their own. People that don't even really benefit from tax cuts, chant it like a mantra. The most hardcore no new tax Republicans are the religious conservatives. It is the principle or something.
That is so true. I have a family member, hard core Republican dittohead, who lives in a state that is among the bottom five in total tax burden (state + federal), yet he whines about his taxes more than anyone else I know.

Of course, he also whines about his job, his boss, the cops, his bank, his insurance company, his lawyer, his wife, his kid, the local pro football team -- so maybe he's just a whiner.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:20 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
Some how they main stream Republicans have taken on the tax issue as their own. People that don't even really benefit from tax cuts, chant it like a mantra. The most hardcore no new tax Republicans are the religious conservatives. It is the principle or something.
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I'm anti-tax. It's a property rights issue. And a small government isue. Stay the fuck out of my wallet and limit government instrusion in our lives. At least Fed govt.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Right. So the lesson to be learned here - is that if you fuck in a Park City hot tub, make sure you go home in a month or two... just in case.

Word. And BYOB.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:22 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Does anyone, including the people who, when polled immediately after the debates, said they liked it? Actually, do you think that the majority of the people who said they liked Bush's message could have said what that message was?

Has anyone else seen the fake news clip where they are interviewing the guy who makes up the "misstatements" Bush makes constantly -- it's about how really he is perfectly coherent, and his "put food on our families" and made-up words stuff is scripted to make him seem more accessible. It's funny.
I liked it. You are one of the immorally relativistic irrelevant left, you wouldn't understand his message.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:24 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
That is so true. I have a family member, hard core Republican .
So you got the weak genes in the family. too bad about that.

Spanky 11-02-2005 08:25 PM

Pot Calling the Kettle Black
 
I love the Irony of the Western European nations who critisize us for our race relations and crime rate. But now that they have signficant foreign nationals and racial minorities our country seems like a racial paradise. North African muslims only represent four percent of the population of France but they almost put Le Pen in office. Germany's turkish population only reaches three percent and they have massive riots and problems.

Openly racist parties have strong showing in Austria, Belgium, Netherlands and Italy.

All European countrys now have large ghettos full of racial minorities, these communities have increased the crime rate and their jails are full of ethnic minorities.

It seems that assimilation isn't all that easy after all.

Our crime rate just dropped below that of most western European nations.

They are not looking so enlightened any more.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/051102/1/3w5ml.html

Sexual Harassment Panda 11-02-2005 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
So you got the weak genes in the family. too bad about that.
Not to worry. I pull in about 3x what he does. Musta done something right.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:30 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Not to worry. I pull in about 3x what he does. Musta done something right.
Like in Hollyweird or with Monica it's all about who ya blow in the lefties' world.

Spanky 11-02-2005 08:32 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Does anyone, including the people who, when polled immediately after the debates, said they liked it? Actually, do you think that the majority of the people who said they liked Bush's message could have said what that message was?

Has anyone else seen the fake news clip where they are interviewing the guy who makes up the "misstatements" Bush makes constantly -- it's about how really he is perfectly coherent, and his "put food on our families" and made-up words stuff is scripted to make him seem more accessible. It's funny.
You weren't listening. In the focus groups I saw they were able to sum up Bushes message, but could not sum up Kerry's message.

Bush's message:

1) Tax cuts are turning the economy around, lets stick with the course.

2) We have brought democracy to Iraq and kicked out an evil dictator, lets not leave before the job is finished.

3) We are fighting a war on terror, it is expensive and it is difficult, but we need to fight it and not screw around (no major terrorist attack since 9-11 so our current approach is working).

More simply:

STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. FINISH THE JOB FINISH THE JOB FINISH THE JOB.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:33 PM

Pot Calling the Kettle Black
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
I love the Irony of the Western European nations who critisize us for our race relations and crime rate. But now that they have signficant foreign nationals and racial minorities our country seems like a racial paradise. North African muslims only represent four percent of the population of France but they almost put Le Pen in office. Germany's turkish population only reaches three percent and they have massive riots and problems.

Openly racist parties have strong showing in Austria, Belgium, Netherlands and Italy.

All European countrys now have large ghettos full of racial minorities, these communities have increased the crime rate and their jails are full of ethnic minorities.

It seems that assimilation isn't all that easy after all.

Our crime rate just dropped below that of most western European nations.

They are not looking so enlightened any more.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/051102/1/3w5ml.html
The racism of the Western Euros makes Grand Cyclops Bobby Byrd look like a progressive humanitarian. they are rotten morally decayed societies. Socialism is a symptom and a cause.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:34 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
You weren't listening. In the focus groups I saw they were able to sum up Bushes message, but could not sum up Kerry's message.

Bush's message:

1) Tax cuts are turning the economy around, lets stick with the course.

2) We have brought democracy to Iraq and kicked out an evil dictator, lets not leave before the job is finished.

3) We are fighting a war on terror, it is expensive and it is difficult, but we need to fight it and not screw around (no major terrorist attack since 9-11 so our current approach is working).

More simply:

STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. FINISH THE JOB FINISH THE JOB FINISH THE JOB.
bingo! I'd vote for him all over again!!

ltl/fb 11-02-2005 08:35 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
You weren't listening. In the focus groups I saw they were able to sum up Bushes message, but could not sum up Kerry's message.

You said, "Bush, in those debates, kept preaching the same message over and over again. He may have not said it eloquently, but he kept repeating the same message and it really resonated with voters. The vast majority of voters say they though Kerry won the debates but most viewers liked Bush's message." How is that saying that they could sum up Bush's message but not Kerry's? Moron.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:38 PM

Hatemasters
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
You said, "Bush, in those debates, kept preaching the same message over and over again. He may have not said it eloquently, but he kept repeating the same message and it really resonated with voters. The vast majority of voters say they though Kerry won the debates but most viewers liked Bush's message." How is that saying that they could sum up Bush's message but not Kerry's? Moron.
You have displaced SHP as the most insipid useless poster on this board. This vapidity may play on Craigslist or the DU, but this is a board of substance and topicality. Either read for comprehension purposes and respond in like kind or go back and spew nonsense with the hormonally rushed crowd on the FB.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:39 PM

Hatemasters
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
You weren't listening. In the focus groups I saw they were able to sum up Bushes message, but could not sum up Kerry's message.


STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. FINISH THE JOB FINISH THE JOB FINISH THE JOB.
New Board Motto.

Sexual Harassment Panda 11-02-2005 08:45 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Spanky

More simply:

STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. STAY THE COURSE. FINISH THE JOB FINISH THE JOB FINISH THE JOB.
The tragedy is, a year later that message is looking a lot different. Bush was able to sell the point that the job could be finished, if we stayed the course. Increasing, the American people are starting to doubt that. I think the result in Nov. 2005 would have been different than in 2004 - and I think Nov. 2006 will be different too.

juicyfruit salad 11-02-2005 08:45 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
You have displaced SHP as the most insipid useless poster on this board. This vapidity may play on Craigslist or the DU, but this is a board of substance and topicality. Either read for comprehension purposes and respond in like kind or go back and spew nonsense with the hormonally rushed crowd on the FB.
No wonder they call you an asshole.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:47 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
You have displaced SHP as the most insipid useless poster on this board. This vapidity may play on Craigslist or the DU, but this is a board of substance and topicality. Either read for comprehension purposes and respond in like kind or go back and spew nonsense with the hormonally rushed crowd on the FB.
Ps: I got this wrong, slightly.

Most useless posters of insipidity:

1. fringey;

2. Nut_penske;

3. SHP, but in fairness you are moving in the right direction.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:48 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
The tragedy is, a year later that message is looking a lot different. Bush was able to sell the point that the job could be finished, if we stayed the course. Increasing, the American people are starting to doubt that. I think the result in Nov. 2005 would have been different than in 2004 - and I think Nov. 2006 will be different too.
Exactly and surely the Astros could have won in a best of 9 series. So close, so close......

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:49 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by juicyfruit salad
No wonder they call you an asshole.
You came with a sock for this catcrap?~!??1

Gattigap 11-02-2005 08:54 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Exactly and surely the Astros could have won in a best of 9 series. So close, so close......


Mmmmmm'kay.

Time for a break, I think.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 08:56 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Gattigap
Mmmmmm'kay.

Time for a break, I think.
You hate the Astros too?!?! Are there no bounds to your vitriol?!!?

Sexual Harassment Panda 11-02-2005 09:05 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
You hate the Astros too?!?! Are there no bounds to your vitriol?!!?
Dissent. They cannot be forgiven for their uniforms in the '70s. Had it not been for the Padres, whose entire front office apparently took some bad 'shrooms, they would have been the ugliest in MLB history.

Spanky 11-02-2005 09:06 PM

Who is the guilty party..........
 
Okay - who posted the Wikipedia Senate link? I just wasted an hour on that thing when I should have been working. That is like placing crack before a crack head. Not playing fair.

Spanky 11-02-2005 09:13 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
You said, "Bush, in those debates, kept preaching the same message over and over again. He may have not said it eloquently, but he kept repeating the same message and it really resonated with voters. The vast majority of voters say they though Kerry won the debates but most viewers liked Bush's message." How is that saying that they could sum up Bush's message but not Kerry's? Moron.
Why do I have to make all my points in one sentence. Can't I make it in two?

When I said you were not listening, I meant to Bush in the debates.

The focus group people said Kerry was very eloquent but they don't remember what he said. They said they liked Bush's message which was - things are working, stay the course to give them time to fully work out. Most got that message.

I didn't get the message. My response would have been a lot more complicated. I heard a lot of what Kerry said and I had trouble following W. a lot. Kerry said we weren't prepared for the peace, the deficits are out of control, etc. But clearly I am not your average American. Some how I got what they missed. That is why I have to watch focus groups to understand what happened.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 09:15 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Dissent. They cannot be forgiven for their uniforms in the '70s. Had it not been for the Padres, whose entire front office apparently took some bad 'shrooms, they would have been the ugliest in MLB history.
Gatti is too young to remember the 70s.

ltl/fb 11-02-2005 09:17 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
Why do I have to make all my points in one sentence. Can't I make it in two?

When I said you were not listening, I meant to Bush in the debates.

The focus group people said Kerry was very eloquent but they don't remember what he said. They said they liked Bush's message which was - things are working, stay the course to give them time to fully work out. Most got that message.

I didn't get the message. My response would have been a lot more complicated. I heard a lot of what Kerry said and I had trouble following W. a lot. Kerry said we weren't prepared for the peace, the deficits are out of control, etc. But clearly I am not your average American. Some how I got what they missed. That is why I have to watch focus groups to understand what happened.
So Bush blew sunshine up their asses and they liked it? This country is fucked up.

I can't watch this shit from either side. People are too disingenuous. It's not my thing. Kind of like I can't pretend that some guy I'm with is the first and only guy to bring out my freaky side, even though that would feed his ego and thereby make him like and value me more.

Maybe I could try it as an experiment, though.

Spanky 11-02-2005 09:18 PM

Hatemasters
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
The tragedy is, a year later that message is looking a lot different. Bush was able to sell the point that the job could be finished, if we stayed the course. Increasing, the American people are starting to doubt that. I think the result in Nov. 2005 would have been different than in 2004 - and I think Nov. 2006 will be different too.
Maybe. But in political time the 2006 election is a million years away. All we can say for sure is that no one really has a clue what the political climate will be like in 2006.

Spanky 11-02-2005 09:22 PM

Hatemasters
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Dissent. They cannot be forgiven for their uniforms in the '70s. Had it not been for the Padres, whose entire front office apparently took some bad 'shrooms, they would have been the ugliest in MLB history.
Let's ease up on the 70s. All can be forgiven because the music was good. The eightys is when we reached our cultural nadir. Flock of Seagulls, Boy George, Wham, Duran Duran, Motely Crue - if it weren't for U2 the whole decade would have been a loss. If Kurt Cobain had not come around, the whole rest of twentieth century might have been lost to that crap.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 09:22 PM

Hatemasters
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Why do I have to make all my points in one sentence. Can't I make it in two?

When I said you were not listening, I meant to Bush in the debates.

The focus group people said Kerry was very eloquent but they don't remember what he said. They said they liked Bush's message which was - things are working, stay the course to give them time to fully work out. Most got that message.

I didn't get the message. My response would have been a lot more complicated. I heard a lot of what Kerry said and I had trouble following W. a lot. Kerry said we weren't prepared for the peace, the deficits are out of control, etc. But clearly I am not your average American. Some how I got what they missed. That is why I have to watch focus groups to understand what happened.
Here is the message people came to understand about Kerry in nutshell:





http://www.antiprotester.com/kerry%20the%20traitor.jpg

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 09:24 PM

Hatemasters
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Kind of like I can't pretend that some guy I'm with is the first and only guy to bring out my freaky side, even though that would feed his ego and thereby make him like and value me more.

Maybe I could try it as an experiment, though.
http://www.geocities.com/lollygang/p...pkin.vomit.jpg

Spanky 11-02-2005 09:25 PM

Kerry - with friends like these who need enemies?
 
Kerry went down to Nicaragua to make nice with Daniel Ortega. He said he was a guy we could work with. I know Penske is going to kill when I say this, but Kerry is the last Senator I would want as president. Yes, I said it. The worst of the 100.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 09:32 PM

Kerry - with friends like these who need enemies?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Kerry went down to Nicaragua to make nice with Daniel Ortega. He said he was a guy we could work with. I know Penske is going to kill when I say this, but Kerry is the last Senator I would want as president. Yes, I said it. The worst of the 100.
My only quibble is that at this point you know Kerry is irrelevant. He has been soundly rejected by the American electorate and he is no Nixon (i.e. no comeback is happening here).

With that in mind, you need to be worried about someone else.....


http://hillary666.webpark.pl/mao.jpg

Spanky 11-02-2005 09:39 PM

NCS, Fringy, Gattigap (and any other SoCal GAs):

I am almost done with the world is flat and should finish Collapse next week some time.

Everyone ready for the GA field trip to the Jareed Collapse exhibit?

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 09:39 PM

Kerry - with friends like these who need enemies?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
My only quibble is that at this point you know Kerry is irrelevant. He has been soundly rejected by the American electorate and he is no Nixon (i.e. no comeback is happening here).

With that in mind, you need to be worried about someone else.....


http://hillary666.webpark.pl/mao.jpg
Ps: Spank, I posted another relevant pictorial on the Adult Board related to the above.

ltl/fb 11-02-2005 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
NCS, Fringy, Gattigap (and any other SoCal GAs):

I am almost done with the world is flat and should finish Collapse next week some time.

Everyone ready for the GA field trip to the Jareed Collapse exhibit?
When?


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