Delay = RINO
 

By "our meetings" do you mean "DU meetings"?

Delay = RINO
 

Another great quote from our man in Texas:

Though Bush said in New Orleans that some offsets would have to be found for the Katrina recovery spending, there's been a thunderous silence on this subject from his congressional GOP allies. House Republican Leader Tom DeLay basically said all the fat has already been squeezed from the federal budget -- despite the fact that in recent years spending per household has reached levels not achieved since World War II.


Fat has already been squeezed? The guys nose must have grown three inches when he said that.

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I am not a hypocritical jerk (I like to think) but would probably tell her the same thing.



Reagan took office almost 25 years ago. Since then, the nation has seen a steady, staggering expansion of deficit spending and debt -- except, of course, during the Clinton presidency.

My point? If your friend still believes that the GOP has even the slightest shred of a claim to being the party of fiscal sanity,* he is beyond having anything explained to him. He probably also believes that the earth is flat.




*This is not to suggest that the Dems have such a claim either. But tax and spend looks a hell of a lot better than borrow borrow borrow and spend spend spend.

Delay = RINO
 

Ouch.....I think I am going to cry now.

This guy is rather hard to classify......
 

An End to Neoconservative (Neo-Trotskyite) Evil


Professor Paul Sheldon Foote


California State University, Fullerton


pfoote@fullerton.edu


September 21, 2005


David Frum and Richard Perle, in An End to Evil: How to Win the War on Terror, claimed falsely to have defined the conservative view on American foreign policy.



Frum, a Canadian citizen until shortly before the publication of this book, is a chickenhawk who attacked real conservatives for not supporting endless wars in his National Review article, “Unpatriotic Conservatives”.



Richard Perle is a Democrat whose name continues to surface in political scandals.



In the book The Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House, Seymour Hersh revealed that the FBI had wiretaps of Perle, while a foreign policy aide to the Democratic Senator Henry “Scoop” Jackson, passing classified National Security Council documents to the Israeli Embassy.



While Perle served as chairman of the Defense Policy Board, on July 10, 2002, Rand Corporation analyst Laurent Murawiec made a presentation advocating an American invasion of Saudi Arabia, the seizing of oil fields, and the confiscation of financial assets if the Saudis continue to support anti-Western terrorist networks (Jack Shafer, Slate, August 7, 2002). In “Lunch with the Chairman” (The New Yorker, March 17, 2003), Seymour Hersh revealed a meeting in France between Perle and wealthy Saudis (Adnan Khashoggi and Harb Saleh al-Zuhair). While Perle labeled Hersh a terrorist for revealing a meeting to find diplomatic alternatives to invading Iraq, Hersh suggested that the meeting was more likely related to Perle’s involving the Saudis in his Trireme Partners venture capital group to profit from the Iraq War and from homeland security spending.



On page 282, Frum and Perle included the Iranian Communist MEK (Rajavi Cult) as a United States Department of State designated terrorist organization. The MEK has murdered American military officers and Rockwell International employees in Iran. In 1991, to repay Saddam Hussein for providing Camp Ashraf and other military camps in Iraq and for heavy arms and ammunition, the MEK launched Operation Morvarid to kill large numbers of Kurdish children, women, and men, including by running over them with MEK tanks. On January 24, 2004, Perle was a paid speaker at a Washington Convention Center meeting of more than 3,000 MEK supporters. Professor Raymond Tanter, a prominent MEK supporter, introduced Perle.



On page 109, Frum and Perle described the MEK (without naming them) as “… a brave band of Iranian dissidents ….” On page 113, they compared the State Department’s opposition to the MEK with earlier attempts to stop American support of freedom movements in the Eastern bloc of the Soviet Union. On page 114, they urged America to “toss dictators aside” whenever America has the power and the interests to do so. On page 275, Frum and Perle concluded: “And now that America has become the greatest of all powers in world history, its triumph has shown that freedom is irresistible.” Nothing could be further from the truth. America invaded Iraq to control the oil fields and to make an example of Saddam Hussein for his 2002 demands to be paid for oil in Euros, not in American dollars. Iran followed this example in 2003 and has announced plans to open an exchange for trading oil (competing with New York exchanges) in Iran in 2006. America’s wealth and power depend heavily upon the rest of the world. The government of Communist China alone holds enough American dollars to enable it to hurt the American economy at any time by dumping those American dollars and by ceasing to make new low-return investments in America.



The neo-conservatives (neo-Trotskyites) have lied, too, about wanting to export democracy. Professor Claes Ryn’s book, America the Virtuous, explained the similarities between neoconservatives and the Jacobins (French Revolution Reign of Terror terrorists) who wanted to export their radical brand of guillotine mob rule to the rest of the world.



Readers will understand this book better by reading first the book of another neoconservative, Michael Ledeen: Machiavelli on Modern Leadership. Machiavellian politicians attempt to gain power by using expediency, deceit, cunning, or unscrupulous actions. Jacobins, communists, and fascists committed atrocities based upon the shared belief that the ends justify the means. By contrast, free-market libertarians believe that the means justify the ends. In Christianity, the Golden Rule of Jesus stands in total opposition to the neoconservatives who worship at the altar of Machiavelli. Unfortunately, the godless chickenhawk neoconservatives have been able to dupe large numbers of soldiers from Christian families to die in the Middle East to enrich and to empower the neoconservatives.



MEK supporters placed a full-page advertisement in the New York Times on January 15, 2003 thanking 150 members of Congress who signed the Iran Statement. By their support for the communist takeover of Iran by the MEK, the neoconservatives’ red, Trotskyite roots are showing again. Irving Kristol (“Memoirs of a Trotskyist”) and some neoconservatives have written openly about their Trotskyite roots and permanent revolutions. Other neoconservatives remain in denial (see: Jonah Goldberg, National Review Online, “The Neoconservative Invention”, May 20, 2003). For a truly conservative view of the National Review, read John McManus’ book William F. Buckley, Jr.: Pied Piper for the Establishment.



Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Republican—Florida), who circulated the Iran Statement for the MEK, has more than 300 co-sponsors in the House of Representatives for her Iran Freedom Support Act (H.R.282). Senator Rick Santorum (Republican—Pennsylvania) sponsored the Senate version (S.333).



The best way for America to win the war on terror is to vote out of office all of the evil neoconservatives in the Democratic and Republican parties. If Americans continue to support the hard-line, Machiavellian neoconservative foreign policies of this book, then America will experience endless wars and an economic depression.

Delay = RINO
 

Bottom line is that we need a real third party alternative.

Delay = RINO
 

Where do you think all the social programs and pork receptacles came from? Harding? Taft? Hoover?

I am all for fiscal sanity. Let's start by having a not so great society. Then move to the Flat tax, and get rid of the IRS. A lot of the SEC can go, another drag on business. Department of Education, bye bye. And so on. Of course the liberals created all this crap and it stands as testament to LBJ. Along with a lot of dead kids from the war he lost.

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Nope. Never even been to that website.

S_A_M

(Its a reference to old jokes about the club meetings of the Board Democrats. Gattigap did a very nice post on them back when.)

Delay = RINO
 

2. I have been thinking of starting a party. Like Perot, only less crazy and with updated charts.

Anyone interested?

Delay = RINO
 

Don't forget the Department of Labor. Goddamn child labor laws. Let the little fuckers die in mines and factories, where they belong.

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(a) The point is that not even the GOP pretends to want to do what you say anymore -- the party has decided it likes being in power, and weilding power -- which has severely compromised its principles and ideological purity.

(b) Nixon ran that war for longer than LBJ did.

S_A_M

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Si.

We've had some success in inviting self-styled conservatives and/or libertarians who have suffered crises of faith under the governance of today's brand of Republican.

We've tried to recruit Club on several occasions, for example.

Sadly for us, we usually end up fighting over who has to bring the fair trade coffee, and never get to move on to New Business, so to that extent we share some of our party's same foibles.

Gattigap

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Let the market sort it out. I think outsourcing that stuff is much more cost-efficient and goes further to preserving good will. time have changed Wonk, its the 21st century. Join us!

Delay = RINO
 

I kind of like my response to the Kerry one - holds up well:

• What can I say, I'm a sucker for an authentic war hero.
  
  Actually, I'm really just pissed off at the discretionary spending explosion over the last 3 years and the gay marriage bullshit (though, admittedly, mostly for former). If the president was being challenged this year in the GOP or if the DEMs put forth a more moderate candidate, I'd consider voting for him/her.
  
  ETA: I still support the President's foreign policy. My complaint is the domestic spending.

Delay = RINO
 

Well, take it from me:
When the pork made me sick
I found a third party
And voted Badnarik.

Delay = RINO
 

He said "real."

Delay = RINO
 

Too bad. I was a huge fan of the Whigs back in the day. "54-40, or fight!" Good times, good times.

Offer
 

Please see the FB regarding a limited time offer whereby if the posters on the LT boards donate an aggreggate sum of $25,000 to the charity of the Paigow's choice (not PETA), Paigow and I will retire from the Boards and start our own joint blog or sell T-shirts or some such shite.

Also, Hank will take my spot as the moderator here, subject to the usual qualifications.

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No - we just need to take our party back from the Fiscally irresponsible and the social reactionaries.

Delay = RINO
 

I don't think that is a viable plan of action.

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Sorry - there are too few of you and they are far more committed. You'll be trying to decide between Brownback and Frist for 2008.

Merde- beaten by fb!

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Ye of little faith.

It is a two party system. Three partys ain't never going to work. If you don't fit into either party your only choice is to try and make the party fit you.

Delay = RINO
 

Still, I'd appreciate seeing them make the effort.

I remember vaguely those creatures known as "moderate," or "libertarian" or "fiscal conservative" or even "principled" Republicans. I just think they, like the rest of us, have been taking it in the teeth for the last 5 years or so by the current crowd running this joint, and I've wondered what happened to them.

Delay = RINO
 

Yes - but I can outlast them. My great great grandfather was a Republican delegate from California at the 1876 GOP convention. I ain't going no where. Tenacity and persistencr beats passion every time (although it may take a while).

Delay = RINO
 

You don't understand the 2nd Amendment.

Delay = RINO
 

I think the part I'm kind of maybe sort of getting at is that it's important to figure out which party you are more likely to be able to get your goals accomplished through.

What an awkward sentence.

Delay = RINO
 

Be careful, or Pat Robertson will be on the 700 Club praying for God to take you home.

Delay = RINO
 

You still don't understand the 2nd Amendment.

Delay = RINO
 

So changing one party is more important to you than the policies you want?

Delay = RINO
 

Are you advocating a more proactive approach to taking back the party?

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No - but the Democrat party is farther from me than the Republican party. So my best chance is with the Republican party. When it comes to foreign policy I am a neo-conservative. I am a fiscal conservative and pro-free trade. I tend to be more extremem than many Republicans on these issues. On the other hand I am liberal on the social issues.

I may I have trouble in the Republican party but I am no where near the Dems.

Delay = RINO
 

Clinton told me that the ends justify the means.

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Translation: I am not a socialist. Or an appeaser.

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If you look at the legislation proposed and supported by Ds vs Rs in the last few years, do you really believe that the Rs are, on the whole, closer to where you are? I kind of think you are going with your conception of what Ds are (which is reinforced in your mind by paying more attention to what far-left D loonies say than what the general mass of Ds actually do -- on the federal level) versus your conception of what Rs are (and are similarly paying more attn to some Rs who at least preach fiscal conservatism) and not paying attention to what groups are actually doing.

Of course, part of the reason the Ds are far more centrist now is because of pressure from Rs, but your statements about what Rs stand for is just so far from what is happening that it is ludicrous. They are not the party of free trade and fiscal conservatism in action.

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Mao told us that power emanates from the barrel of a gun.

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I like the President's policies on Trade (CAFTA etc.) and foreign policy. Fiscally not so much and on social policy not so much. But the Dems are worse than the Repubs on fiscal policy.

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I really don't see this.

I guess I think it works better if there are different parties in Congress and the White House. Or if there are different parties in the House and the Senate. I don't think I would want all three branches controlled by the Ds.

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Clinton is no longer president. AT BEST THIS WOULD BE PROPER for the NEW york board, Fringey- am I on permanet not ignore now?

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Squeeze me? Go back and read the first post on this topic (which came from you), then consider Don Young's response to suggestions he give up the Bridge to Nowhere, add in the energy bill and transportation bill this year and the last few year's appropriation bills and tell us again the Dems are worse on fiscal policy?? You may not like the California brand of Dem, but nationally there's no comparison.

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I have nothing to do with this. Leave me the hell out of it.