Re: We are all Slave now.
 

I didn't call it biased, I called it crap, because it is, and I explained why. You say shit, I say crap, but on that we agree.

Seeing you dismiss CCR's press release is like listening to Sarah Sanders. If someone criticizes Trump, it's because they're partisan, and you can tell they're partisan because they're criticizing Trump. And if they're not on your side, you can just disregard inconvenient facts. By your way of thinking, if the Israeli government put out an explanation of why it deported these two, wouldn't that be biased too?

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

No it's not. At most it's Sarah responding to a MoveOn "news release."

And what you do here is like a simpleton's attempt to avoid Godwin's Law.

But good news for you! The Palestinian News Agency has now released its press release. We are getting really close to legit agencies!

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

The extent of tension between progressive Jews in the US and the Israeli government today is extraordinary. In the US a lot of it relates to the occupation, but in Israel I think just as much of it is religious. Both the right wing religious groups and the fundamentalist isolationist religious groups view American reform Judaism (let alone the Reconstructionists I'm releated to) as heretical at best. It's a sad state of affairs.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Just had my physical! The doctor reaffirms I’m by far the healthiest sock to ever post here. Amazingly healthy was his diagnosis!

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Columbia University is considered akin to a Madrassa run by Jihadists by much of the Israeli establishment, going back to when Edward Said taught there.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

I read it and thought, "this is all they have?" Because the intent to make her sounds very bad was clear. For example, I saw nothing about inciting violence, unless we're to assume that BDS is inherently violent, which I don't think is true.

Even as to her "defending" a professor whose tweets could be read as condoning violence, all they've got is a third party saying she's been involved in defending him.

When you put it that way...

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Karl Rove's Tactics for Effective Conservative Blogging.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Can you compare/contrast what you see as your style of "arguing?"

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Democracy Now has now published the story!

Can you find one actual news source reporting that might explain why they might be kept out?

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Here's the ABA Journal. Any reporting on this is going to relate facts that come from Warren and Franke, or the Israeli government. You rejected anything that comes from CCR as biased,* but you still haven't answered my question from last night about how you could accept reporting based on what the Israeli government says, since it too is presumably biased, yes? Or are you using "bias" in the sense of "coming from someone with whose policy views I disagree"?

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBy8Q9Lx05Y

The Right embraces scientific research and complains about roadblocks to basic research to cure cancer (jump to 1:50 if you can't take it).

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

I want to hear why the government says it did what it did.

Example of why- USA 2018 "let's ban all muslims." Why? "Because too many are terrorist." Now we can reach an opinion of whether we support the ban or not. Contrast that with hypo US 1999 "let's ban M. Atta." Why? "Because he seems singularly dangerous, see X, Y, Z." Again we can support or not the decision.

As to why I dismiss something that devolves into hate against israel within its few paragraphs, you really don't understand?

But the ABA summary does show the failings of your earlier "news." Now most of the delegation got in, just the 2 were barred. Can you see how that might impact the story and why your earlier news might have mentioned it?

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Sure, so do I.

Where in the CCR press release or the ABA Journal do you see "hate against Israel"? I am opposed to hate against Israel. But those words seem to encompass stuff to you that they don't to me.

It's an additional fact that adds color, but I'm not sure how it's material to the question of whether or not they should have let her in. How do you think it "impacts" the story? Seems like you are working hard to exculpate Israel's government on facts that are pretty damning.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Israel has a well-known history of denying human rights advocates and other possible critics of its policies entry to Israel, even if those individuals only seek to visit and meet with Palestinians—whose borders Israel fully controls.

Israel’s denial of entry to foreign citizens must be seen in the context of its ongoing efforts to repress human rights activism within Israel and Palestine, and its regular denial of entry to Palestinians, including U.S. citizens of Palestinian origin. It has been 70 years since the mass killing and eviction of Palestinians by the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, 50 years of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and 11 years of its punitive closure of Gaza, whose residents have been shot and killed in nonviolent protests in recent weeks. Meanwhile, Israel continues to expand its West Bank settlements, annex East Jerusalem, and increase attacks on human rights defenders and incarceration of political prisoners.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Do you think any of those facts are incorrect? If not, is it possible to note those facts in some way those doesn't constitute "hate" in your book? To me, it sounds like you are delegitimizing real concerns about Israel's conduct by labeling it as "hate."

eta: Some of us think the fact that Israel does these things is a problem. You seem to think that the problem is pointing it out.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

You and i both read Karl Rove's blog advice. Only one of us uses the lessons against others on a board where you are conversing with "friends."

"It has been 70 years since the mass killing and eviction of Palestinians by the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, "

this is hate against the fact of Israel. If you see it otherwise, god bless.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

The CCR news release said that.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Bullshit. The founding of the state of Israel involved mass killings and evictions of Palestinians. Those are the unhappy facts. You can point it out without hating Israel, just as you can point out that Germany murdered millions of people in the Holocaust without hating Germany, or that the United States murdered lots of Indians and stole their land without hating the USA. One can believe that Israel is a good thing and simultaneously want it to be better, but you call that hate.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Thanks. This clarifies it clearly. Now I get it.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

The thing about the whole conflict is, those facts are all generally accurate as they stand, but woefully incomplete and set out in a very loaded way.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

You're welcome.

Indeed.

My left brain knows all love is fleeting,
 

I’ve been trying to come up with a “he went to Jared” joke, but I have to admit that I am stumped.

Anyhoo, relevant to Nob Bob’s interests.

Fine. I was just looking for an excuse to post this.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/03...2ba658351a.jpg

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting.
 

Well, this is depressing. I haven’t posted since January, and my first post gets ignored and my second post breaks the board.

Gwink, I was very sad to see the Leafs fall to Brad “Weasel” Marchand in 7.

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting.
 

I liked it. Who was it who didn't like her ankles?

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting.
 

Probably Slave. I still love Ashley, but he may have been right about Charlize.

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting,
 

Loser. Where is the duty to to cast her absent the alleged retaliation, assuming the allegations are true? Unless she can prove breach of contract, which I am guessing she has not alleged.

LessinLaguardia

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting,
 

Rum drinks today I'm guessing?

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting.
 

You be you. Don't let anyone take away your Ashley or Charlize. They both have excellent hair.

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting.
 

Dude, I posted a link to Jim Bakker claiming cancer would have been cured TWICE, except the inventors were aborted, and I got nothing. Ty posting whatever one might think he was saying about Israel gets several posts of support? Maybe criticize Israel, then post about whoever this woman is, then you get some love?

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting,
 

I’ll defer to your knowledge on California law, but hasn’t she alleged enough to meet defamation (assuming Jackson would have hired her but for HW’s false statements of fact)?

And, Hank, that picture of the girl is of noted UK alumna Ashley Judd. Sigh.

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting,
 

Knew that, so? Mention why Israel is bad then post the pix. Watch the love!

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting,
 

Since the assasination of Rabin, I outsource most of my thinking on Israel to those retired Mossad and Shin Bet head dudes.

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting,
 

Well, you've no future here, sorry. Ty believes strongly that Israel should exist, but he thinks the reasons it was able to start are war crimes, and basically that everything it chooses to do is wrong. Maybe read adder's posts and take a hint? Blindly agree and then you'll be in the cool kids' group.

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting,
 

I need to tell you that it really is no longer o.k. to have your signature line. I mean, I'm not telling you how to live your life. You do you. I'm just saying things. Things that are true.

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting,
 

Thanks for having my back, my brother!

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting,
 

I've never been accused for being a cool kid before. Thanks.

I really don't see how anyone could view the current Israeli government and not see a problem, especially with its treatment of the people living in Gaza.

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting,
 

Howard Stern explains it this way: Assume North Dakotans started shooting rockets into Minneapolis, and North Dakotans in Minneapolis start randomly stabbing Minneapolis people as you were walking to your jobs, or kids to their schools. If you would be willing to accept that as your life, I guess you're a better person than me?

But I'm done here, because there is no answer, only getting to calling each other racists.

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting,
 

I don't think anyone thinks anyone should accept that.

Stern's analogy suggests there is only one side to the story, and that has to be part of the problem.

I can see that.

Re: My left brain knows all love is fleeting,
 

Perhaps unnecessary?

Intentional interference with prospective contractual relations (based on his bad mouthing her in the broader market)?

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

At the rate he's going, Giuliani could break the Mooch's record for fastest exit.