Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Don, Jr will be indicted. Maybe Jared.

And, yeah, Ross is a good example of their garden variety corruption.

Re: icymi above
 

You can't be this dense.

Re: icymi above
 

Well, shit, why didn't you just say this from the beginning? Because this is nonsense. Murray's "scholarship" fails becuae he uses "data" that's racially flawed to make distinctions about "racial" groups that are not genetically distinguishable to draw genetic conclusions.

His "point" is that "black" people are inferior. He uses junk "science" to demonstrate it. What you said is nonsense.

ETA: This is exactly the creeping racism problem we've been facing lately. People try to divorce race from history and decide that the issue is judging "groups" without regard to which group.

Re: icymi above
 

Of course he can't, because he has zero power to censor.

Re: icymi above
 

Let me know if you ever really find one.

Also, let me know the next time you get upset about an effort to stop any form of left-leaning speech or inquiry. Like Colin Kaepernick -- I'm sure you're upset that he can't find a job because of his speech.

Re: icymi above
 

Shrewd move on Klein's part, spending all that time talking to Harris and publishing the whole thing, just to shut him up. I bet Harris will never see it coming.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Why are you so hell bent on finding some value in what Murray is doing?

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Nice try. I’m hell bent here on showing GGG’s politics are classic doctrinaire liberal talking points. Wanna-be bourgeoise elitism. It’s not thoughtful, and it’s dangerously opposed to actual free speech.

The rules are idiot simple. Virtue signal on liberal issues of the moment. Lob accusations of bigotry and sexism reflexively at everything one can. But as to economic policies that savage the disadvantaged you otherwise champion? Shut your mouth. Do not touch any issue that could imperil your slot in the top 10%.

You know exactly the sort of bullshit progressivism I’m discussing. It’s cheap, it’s easy, and you’re doing it right here. You know goddamn well I’m not rehabilitating Murray. But you keep throwing that accusation to try to argue that I’m trafficking in deviancy. Do you seriously think your full-of-shitness there could ever be hidden?

Engage honestly and stop being sleazy.

Re: icymi above
 

Oh, we can have this discussion all day...

Anyone arguing players do not have a right to take a knee is, despite no doubt thinking himself a “patriot,” deeply un-American.

But going beyond that, now we’re into serious authoritarianism, and the very worst form of tyranny against free speech: Corporate Preclusion.

I hate advocating new laws, but there should be one that states no individual may be fired for any free expression outside his employment.

ETA: Corporations should also be banned from acting in response to public panics. That an uneducated public thinks Kaepernick is “disrespectin’ thu flag” does not license corporations (teams and the league broadly) to collude against him and then hide behind, “he endangers our brand.” That some missive from a disgruntled ex gets 10,000 #metoo virtue sugnallers in a moral panic should not cost Chris Hardwick a TV gig. That James Gunn has a fucked up sense of humor should not enable progressive Puritan scolds to cause Disney to fire him.

For further reading on the idiocy of moral/cultural panics and over-reactions, this is highly recommended: https://www.amazon.com/Mobs-Messiahs.../dp/0470474807

Re: icymi above
 

I’m not arguing Murray with you, but based on his conversation with Harris, who asked him to set forth his point, your characterization is basically fiction.

I don’t think you or I even understand the data you profess to describe. You’ve probably read articles about it, as have I, and those have been loaded in one direction or another.

This entire discussion has been largely shibboleths. Almost all political, social, and cultural debates of the day are that. It’s painfully stupid.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

Please rank in order things we should be concerned with on free speech:

(1) Liberty University explicitly censoring its student newspaper;
(2) UNC students being threatened with violence by radical right wingers if they speak out in support of removing Silent Sam;
(3) Old white dudes feeling uncomfortable advocating shit positions when given a national platform;
(4) A President calling the Press the "enemy of the people".

Re: icymi above
 

There was a true battle in State Dept about whether it was too much destabilization at once.

Recall, it was a vendor setting himself on fire to protest corrupt regulation one day, then a govt falling thirty days later. I think it took everyone by surprise.

And of course, Israel pressured us like crazy to avoid Egypt’s corrupt dictator’s collapse.

The concern that in a countries with such high unemployment and so many young men, radicalism fills the vacuum left by a dictator’s exit is compelling. My opinion, FWIW, is once the movement has started, we should have publicly taken that risk. But I see Obama’s shrewdness in trying to trying to have it both ways by supporting covertly and with air cover in Libya. If you can have it both ways and avoid risk, why not try?

Others would argue this is why lawyers don’t tend to make good leaders of anything. I’d counter, Bush “led” quite aggressively in Iraq. How’d that work out?

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

4, 1, 3

2 is not a free speech issue. That’s threatened violence. That should be investigated and prosecuted.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

So suck it up. Focus on what matters.

The fact that I call your bros racists when they argue for white supremacy I'm sure pains you, but, frankly, fuck you, you made your "point" days ago, no one agrees with it, move on.

Re: We are all Slave now.
 

I have sucked it up. You need to understand you’re full of shit, a prefab progressive. That’s a different point.

I don’t like having to listen to people like you, or your conservative analogues. I feel like I lose IQ points in the process.

You’re quite happy to laugh along with me when I attack Trump. But the minute I aim the pistol at your politics, I’m in bed with bigots. You even use the terms of the HuffPo class: “Bros.” You’re as deep as a bird bath.