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ThurgreedMarshall 03-17-2011 12:37 PM
Re: Lamest k race win ever
 
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have you watched fab five yet?
Nope. Tivo'd the next one, which I think is on Monday night. I'll be sure to post about it after I've seen it.

But I did watch Top Chef last night and [SPOILER ALERT] if Mike wins the whole thing, I'm going to flip the fuck out.

TM

Cletus Miller 03-17-2011 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 449698)
Isiah Thomas was from the Chicago projects but he played for Bobby Knight. Bobby Knight. And he loved Bobby, because he defended Bobby right up to the firing. Admittedly Zeke played HS for a "structured" team, but if a projects kid can mold to be a 1 for a structured team, then they can.
course, Zeke played high school ball at a Catholic school in the 'burbs.

ThurgreedMarshall 03-17-2011 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 449696)
Doesn't every coach want players who are "more coachable" than others? Especially if that coaching system has been proven to work very well? I wouldn't want an uppity kid from any race or locale.
I cannot believe that I am explaining this shit. "More coachable" is shorthand for "not ghetto." It's a perception that kids from the ghetto can't be coached as well as white kids or rich black kids from good families. It's fucking bullshit.

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If I'm the coach (and especially if I have the reputation of Coach K), you listen to me, learn my system, and do what I tell you to do...or GTFO.
Yes, of course. Because only Coach K has this attitude. Calipari sure doesn't. Bill Self probably doesn't care if his players listen to him or run his system. Bob Knight? I bet he handed his program right over to Isaiah who probably never listened to him. What the hell are you talking about? You're from frickin' Chicago! Do you think Derrick Rose was difficult to coach in college?

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If that means that I stay away from undisciplined players, so what? The only reason I would ever dive into the "undisciplined" pool would be if I run out of similarly talented players from the disciplined pool. Coach K is one of the only coaches who has the ability to consistently GET the really talented disciplined players. Almost all other coaches have to dive into that undisciplined pool to get equal talent.
I can only say that who is and who isn't disciplined is a matter of perception, especially when you don't know the kids, don't even bother recruiting kids you've labeled based on where they're from and how successul their families are, etc. What you want to say is, "Coach K is lazy when it comes to recruiting. He thinks that ghetto kids from broken homes will be much harder to coach than the kids he constantly recruits, so he doesn't bother."

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God I fucking hate Duke.
Me too.

TM

Hank Chinaski 03-17-2011 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 449700)
course, Zeke played high school ball at a Catholic school in the 'burbs.
ummm, I'd ask if I'm on ignore, but I'm not.

that school recruited him because he was good, right? So he had grown up in the projects, playing for some AAU and middle school teams and was still someone that HS could "mould?"

And the point is Bobby Knight was as structured a coach as ever was- he taught K how to coach.

Flinty_McFlint 03-17-2011 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 449679)
Sing it.

I don't have amusing stories anymore, but I love not having to deal with this shit.
Just wait until June. It'll be so Bridget Jones's Diary Sex In The Twilight When Flinty Met Gwinky Wearing Prada Traveling Pants--funky. No, really, it will. And then maybe a little bit of Blade Runner meets Rushmore, and then back to Terms of Mystic Valentine's Breakfast at Tiffany's. And then a nap.

Replaced_Texan 03-17-2011 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 449699)
Nope. Tivo'd the next one, which I think is on Monday night. I'll be sure to post about it after I've seen it.

But I did watch Top Chef last night and [SPOILER ALERT] if Mike wins the whole thing, I'm going to flip the fuck out.

TM
I hate that guy. I really don't care who wins at this point, so long as it's not him.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 03-17-2011 12:46 PM
Re: Lamest k race win ever
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 449698)
Isiah Thomas was from the Chicago projects but he played for Bobby Knight. And he defended Bobby right up to the firing. Admittedly Zeke played HS for a "structured" team, but if a projects kid can mold to be a 1 for a structured team, then they can.
Of course they can. And I'm sure there are plenty of other players just like Isiah who help your point.

But from a pure statistical aspect, I assume that players who come from more structure will be easier to coach than those who come from less structure. Is that inherently biased against inner-city minorities? Yes. But every coach in the country would choose the disciplined player over the undisciplined player if talent is equal. Who would you choose?

Replaced_Texan 03-17-2011 12:49 PM
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At first I thought she was saying her BF had been a player and then I remembered she calls the Burning Man site the playa and that she met him there.**

Which has never made sense to me because despite all the sand, it's a long way to any water so it's not much of a beach. But the playa it is.
I didn't name it the playa, and I'm not sure of the origin of the name. I do tend to go to places where things are called "beach" that aren't beaches. My college had twobig grassy areas where kids would lay out in the sun and/or play volleyball/ultimate frisbee, and they were known as "beaches". No water, no sand. No idea why they were called so.

Hank Chinaski 03-17-2011 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 449705)
Of course they can. And I'm sure there are plenty of other players just like Isiah who help your point.

But from a pure statistical aspect, I assume that players who come from more structure will be easier to coach than those who come from less structure. Is that inherently biased against inner-city minorities? Yes. But every coach in the country would choose the disciplined player over the undisciplined player if talent is equal. Who would you choose?
quick question: do you think Duke is the only school in the country that plays a "structured" offense?

Adder 03-17-2011 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 449701)
Bob Knight?
Late career-Bob Knight seemed open to the same criticism as Coach K.

Hank Chinaski 03-17-2011 12:56 PM
Re: Lamest k race win ever
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 449710)
Late career-Bob Knight seemed open to the same criticism as Coach K.
why? but really no one cares about your answer. what happened with A?

Did you just call me Coltrane? 03-17-2011 12:58 PM
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I cannot believe that I am explaining this shit. "More coachable" is shorthand for "not ghetto." It's a perception that kids from the ghetto can't be coached as well as white kids or rich black kids from good families. It's fucking bullshit.
I guess that wasn't my definition. In fact, spoiled white kids can be terribly "uncoachable".

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 449701)
Yes, of course. Because only Coach K has this attitude. Calipari sure doesn't. Bill Self probably doesn't care if his players listen to him or run his system. Bob Knight? I bet he handed his program right over to Isaiah who probably never listened to him. What the hell are you talking about? You're from frickin' Chicago! Do you think Derrick Rose was difficult to coach in college?
I think we missed each other here. That was my point. That all coaches want someone who will be more likely to buy into their system than not.

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 449701)
I can only say that who is and who isn't disciplined is a matter of perception, especially when you don't know the kids, don't even bother recruiting kids you've labeled based on where they're from and how successul their families are, etc. What you want to say is, "Coach K is lazy when it comes to recruiting. He thinks that ghetto kids from broken homes will be much harder to coach than the kids he constantly recruits, so he doesn't bother."
I think that last sentence is exactly what I'm saying. I guess I don't know if, statistically, he'd be right or wrong. Are they on average harder to coach? I don't know. But if his experience tells him they are, why take the chance if he can recruit identical talent from a pool that, at least based on his experience, has been easier (on average) to coach?

Cletus Miller 03-17-2011 01:02 PM
Re: Lamest k race win ever
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 449702)
ummm, I'd ask if I'm on ignore, but I'm not.

that school recruited him because he was good, right? So he had grown up in the projects, playing for some AAU and middle school teams and was still someone that HS could "mould?"

And the point is Bobby Knight was as structured a coach as ever was- he taught K how to coach.
Quoted you before the edit and missed the change when the window opened.

Adder 03-17-2011 01:02 PM
Re: Lamest k race win ever
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 449712)
why? but really no one cares about your answer.
He had some rather pale teams. Granted their constant fear of him made them look even paler (yes, that was a tasteless joke).

Cletus Miller 03-17-2011 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 449717)
He had some rather pale teams. Granted there constant fear of him made them look even paler (yes, that was a tasteless joke).
Because by late career, at least at IU, he couldn't recruit anyone not from Indiana. And Indiana is pretty white.


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