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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 529765)

I tried with Rose last nite. Foolish of me. Back to the gin this evening.

Rose as in pink wine, or as a brand of whiskey? If pink wine NWTAF?

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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 529770)

https://twitter.com/apoorva_nyc/stat...840492544?s=20

The pertinent part of the article linked (color emphasis mine):

Covid-19 Live Updates: Researchers Document First Case of Virus Reinfection

A patient was diagnosed with a second case of Covid-19 more than four months after the first, scientists in Hong Kong said.

. . .

Work by researchers in Hong Kong founds that reinfection may be possible in rare cases.

Researchers in Hong Kong are reporting the first confirmed case of reinfection with the coronavirus.

“An apparently young and healthy patient had a second case of Covid-19 infection which was diagnosed 4.5 months after the first episode,” University of Hong Kong researchers said Monday in a statement.

The report is of concern because it suggests that immunity to the coronavirus may last only a few months in some people. And it has implications for vaccines being developed for the virus.

The 33-year-old man had only mild symptoms the first time, and no symptoms this time around. The reinfection was discovered when he returned from a trip to Spain, the researchers said, and the virus they sequenced closely matched the strain circulating in Europe in July and August.

“Our results prove that his second infection is caused by a new virus that he acquired recently rather than prolonged viral shedding,” said Dr. Kelvin Kai-Wang To, a clinical microbiologist at the University of Hong Kong.

Given that there are millions of cases worldwide, it is not unexpected that a few, or even a few dozen, people might be reinfected with the virus after only a few months, experts have said.

Doctors have reported several cases of presumed reinfection in the United States and elsewhere, but none of those cases have been confirmed with rigorous testing. Recovered people are known to shed viral fragments for weeks, which can cause tests to show a positive result in the absence of live virus.

But the Hong Kong researchers sequenced the virus from both rounds of infection and found significant differences in the two sets of virus, suggesting that the patient was infected a second time.

Common cold coronaviruses are known to cause reinfections in less than a year, but experts had hoped that the new coronavirus might behave more like its cousins SARS and MERS, which seemed to produce longer-lasting immunity of a few years.

So the takeaways are:

1. This isn't surprising, but actually expected;
2. It is rare;
3. This person was all but assuredly infected first with a strain in Hong Kong, then later with a mutated strain in Europe, indicating the emergence of differences via mutation significant enough to effectively render the European strain a different virus than the Chinese strain, meaning this "reinfection" was more a pair of infections with two different viruses;
4. In both infections, no significant health impacts were noted.

Had this man been infected once in Hong Kong, then again in Hong Kong, with the exact same virus, this would be a much more concerning article.

This is an important article, but the Times' headline is leaning toward clickbait. "Man Infected with Two Strains of Covid from Different Parts of the World Within 5 Months" would be an accurate title.

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 529769)

Rose as in pink wine, or as a brand of whiskey? If pink wine NWTAF?

I like rose. I's a delightful, effervescent drink for summer days by the pool where one does not wants to be utterly pissed by dinner.

I also wish I owned a part of the vineyard that makes Whispering Angel. It's basically the Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, or Johnnie Walker Black, of rose. The liquor stores move cases of it at the beach like WalMart sells milk and toiler paper before a hurricane.

Oddly, I find all other whites (rose is technically a white) vile. Too tart or too creamy. I'd rather endure bad tequila, which is an excruciating exercise.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 529771)

The pertinent part of the article linked (color emphasis mine):

Covid-19 Live Updates: Researchers Document First Case of Virus Reinfection

A patient was diagnosed with a second case of Covid-19 more than four months after the first, scientists in Hong Kong said.

. . .

Work by researchers in Hong Kong founds that reinfection may be possible in rare cases.

Researchers in Hong Kong are reporting the first confirmed case of reinfection with the coronavirus.

“An apparently young and healthy patient had a second case of Covid-19 infection which was diagnosed 4.5 months after the first episode,” University of Hong Kong researchers said Monday in a statement.

The report is of concern because it suggests that immunity to the coronavirus may last only a few months in some people. And it has implications for vaccines being developed for the virus.

The 33-year-old man had only mild symptoms the first time, and no symptoms this time around. The reinfection was discovered when he returned from a trip to Spain, the researchers said, and the virus they sequenced closely matched the strain circulating in Europe in July and August.

“Our results prove that his second infection is caused by a new virus that he acquired recently rather than prolonged viral shedding,” said Dr. Kelvin Kai-Wang To, a clinical microbiologist at the University of Hong Kong.

Given that there are millions of cases worldwide, it is not unexpected that a few, or even a few dozen, people might be reinfected with the virus after only a few months, experts have said.

Doctors have reported several cases of presumed reinfection in the United States and elsewhere, but none of those cases have been confirmed with rigorous testing. Recovered people are known to shed viral fragments for weeks, which can cause tests to show a positive result in the absence of live virus.

But the Hong Kong researchers sequenced the virus from both rounds of infection and found significant differences in the two sets of virus, suggesting that the patient was infected a second time.

Common cold coronaviruses are known to cause reinfections in less than a year, but experts had hoped that the new coronavirus might behave more like its cousins SARS and MERS, which seemed to produce longer-lasting immunity of a few years.

Unsurprisingly, you write a lot to cherry-pick just what you want.

4. Mild symptoms -- yeah a lot of people have mild symptoms. But a lot die. That's the fucking point.
3. Same virus, different sequence. It doesn't indicate there are two separate mutated strains, just that getting the virus doesn't prevent another bout.

2. This is "rare" because he's the first person sequenced. None of the other "reactivations" which are numerous have had the first and second "viruses" resequenced. Your unhighlighted parts admit that: "Doctors have reported several cases of presumed reinfection in the United States and elsewhere, but none of those cases have been confirmed with rigorous testing." See https://tinyurl.com/y8dkmn5l

Many of the other "reactivations" had more serious bouts the second time around.

1. It is expected but that is why vaccines would have to be annually, or probably every three months. Or we could have locked it down for real to eliminate but Mah FreDumz.

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 529766)

I'm glad you're feeling better. I had the flu last year, and it really does suck. I was coughing for months afterwards.

Thank you. If this was the dread Covid, which I very highly doubt, 'twas not the formidable foe expected.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 529772)

I like rose. I's a delightful, effervescent drink for summer days by the pool where one does not wants to be utterly pissed by dinner.

Vinho Verde is the answer here.

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 529769)

Rose as in pink wine, or as a brand of whiskey? If pink wine NWTAF?

A nice glass (or bottle) of French rose is a perfectly fine summer afternoon libation. I tend to prefer French rose, preferably in France, but I'm aware that the Italians (not sure about Calabrese) produce some too.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 529771)

The pertinent part of the article linked (color emphasis mine):

Covid-19 Live Updates: Researchers Document First Case of Virus Reinfection

A patient was diagnosed with a second case of Covid-19 more than four months after the first, scientists in Hong Kong said.

. . .

Work by researchers in Hong Kong founds that reinfection may be possible in rare cases.

Researchers in Hong Kong are reporting the first confirmed case of reinfection with the coronavirus.

“An apparently young and healthy patient had a second case of Covid-19 infection which was diagnosed 4.5 months after the first episode,” University of Hong Kong researchers said Monday in a statement.

The report is of concern because it suggests that immunity to the coronavirus may last only a few months in some people. And it has implications for vaccines being developed for the virus.

The 33-year-old man had only mild symptoms the first time, and no symptoms this time around. The reinfection was discovered when he returned from a trip to Spain, the researchers said, and the virus they sequenced closely matched the strain circulating in Europe in July and August.

“Our results prove that his second infection is caused by a new virus that he acquired recently rather than prolonged viral shedding,” said Dr. Kelvin Kai-Wang To, a clinical microbiologist at the University of Hong Kong.

Given that there are millions of cases worldwide, it is not unexpected that a few, or even a few dozen, people might be reinfected with the virus after only a few months, experts have said.

Doctors have reported several cases of presumed reinfection in the United States and elsewhere, but none of those cases have been confirmed with rigorous testing. Recovered people are known to shed viral fragments for weeks, which can cause tests to show a positive result in the absence of live virus.

But the Hong Kong researchers sequenced the virus from both rounds of infection and found significant differences in the two sets of virus, suggesting that the patient was infected a second time.

Common cold coronaviruses are known to cause reinfections in less than a year, but experts had hoped that the new coronavirus might behave more like its cousins SARS and MERS, which seemed to produce longer-lasting immunity of a few years.

Why is 4 a “takeaway”? This individual having no major health impact has what significance, other than for this individual?

ETA: Scroll then post. What Icky said.

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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 529773)

Is 'locked down to eliminate" realistic? Australia did a great job and was ready to reopen. Now Melbourne is under very strict lock-down. I just don't see an end that way.

As to reinfection, there are about 24 million cases so far Worldwide. If reinfection were going to be a real danger wouldn't there be no question by now, and thousands of reinfections?

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 529776)

If you want a potable rose, to the extent such a thing is possible, go Lebanese.

That said, this is wine for people who don't like wine.

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 529776)

I've had one bottle of decent Calabrese red, but not in Italy. In Calabria, in Caulonia the local wine is so bad, my cousins pour Sprite in it.

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"Jerry Fallwell Jr. prefers to go down swinging."

Ha.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 529777)

Why is 4 a “takeaway”? This individual having no major health impact has what significance, other than for this individual?

ETA: Scroll then post. What Icky said.

The theory was that the immune system was working as designed. The body stopped the Icky stuff the second go around hence asymptomatic. But as I mentioned there are other cases where the second bout was worse, we just do not have evidence they were reinfections.

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 529779)

If you want a potable rose, to the extent such a thing is possible, go Lebanese.

That said, this is wine for people who don't like wine.

I can hold forth on numerous topics, food, art, sports, but I am a terrific Philistine when it comes to wine.

I'll tempt your gag reflex by admitting I was quite happy to enjoy Conundrum rose blend sparkling wine with dinner last nite.

I can tell good from bad, and my folks were wine nuts when I was a kid, so I've tried many decent ones. It's just never excited my palate. The complexities aren't lost on me, but do find myself incapable of astonishment with even the finest stuff.

I also hate the wine hangover. Nothing worse.

Good whisky, OTOH, I could taste and assess the nuances of endlessly.