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the MJ or LJ question is still unfinished of course, but if LJ takes the crown this year he will have done it with way less tools than MJ needed. MJ had the headache kid and still needed a great 4 to make it, and after losing Grant and before getting Dennis Chicago stumbled. LJ ain't got nearly as much help.

I'll give you Pippen and Rodman. But Horace Grant was a joke and every other player was a role player. No one benefited more from his man leaving him completely free to guard another player. He was able to secure more rebounds, get more bunnies and play less defense because of Jordan. And even then, he wasn't that great.

That said, you're right. LBJ really has nothing. Put Mo Williams on another team and he ain't no all star.

TM

Adder

04-22-2009 01:47 PM

Re: Two Things

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 388012)

You know what I like about this video (besides the amazing, ridiculous plays)? The fact that after each one of them, he immediately turns around and runs back on defense. No stupid fucking poses. No chest thumping. No angry face to the crowd. No "What?!" yelling? He did the amazing and it was routine. Get back on D and dominate there too. You never heard an announcer say, "Michael's man beats him down court for an open lay up."

TM

While he was a great defensive player, MJ invented looking into the camera after a great play.

Cletus Miller

04-22-2009 01:50 PM

Re: Two Things

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 388024)

after losing Grant and before getting Dennis Chicago stumbled.

No argument on the rest, but the one year b/t Ho and Rodman was MJ's seccond baseball year. So of course they stumbled.

Cletus Miller

04-22-2009 01:51 PM

Re: Two Things

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 388045)

While he was a great defensive player, MJ invented looking into the camera after a great play.

*While* getting back on defense.

notcasesensitive

04-22-2009 01:51 PM

Re: And speaking of hoops

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 388004)

Yes. Unfortunately he plays on the West Coast, so I really only pay attention when playoffs roll around. He and Rose amaze me in that they're so young, but play like they've been in the league for 7 years.

TM

Speaking of the West Coast, could someone try to reassure me that the Lakers will be knocked out of the playoffs sometime soon? God, I hate Kobe.

John Phoenix

04-22-2009 01:58 PM

Re: And speaking of hoops

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Originally Posted by notcasesensitive (Post 388051)

Speaking of the West Coast, could someone try to reassure me that the Lakers will be knocked out of the playoffs sometime soon? God, I hate Kobe.

http://discoverlosangeles.com/guides...obe644x284.png

Hank Chinaski

04-22-2009 02:00 PM

Re: And speaking of hoops

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Originally Posted by notcasesensitive (Post 388051)

Speaking of the West Coast, could someone try to reassure me that the Lakers will be knocked out of the playoffs sometime soon? God, I hate Kobe.

he's in the finals, early returns are in and his Q rating is too high for the NBA to let them lose.

ThurgreedMarshall

04-22-2009 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 388045)

While he was a great defensive player, MJ invented looking into the camera after a great play.

This is not true. You just see his more than others and associate it with him. And the reason why you see his more than others is because his highlights were unbelievable.

That said, he did it rarely but when he did it, it was after something truly fantastic. Damn kids today [shaking fist] do it when they dunk on an open break (like that's a feat for an NBA player). And Lebron, Wade, Carmelo and every other younger player do it on every third score.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall

04-22-2009 02:06 PM

Re: And speaking of hoops

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Originally Posted by notcasesensitive (Post 388051)

Speaking of the West Coast, could someone try to reassure me that the Lakers will be knocked out of the playoffs sometime soon? God, I hate Kobe.

I wish I could. I despise him as well. And I don't think he has ever shot a ball within 8 inches of another player without thinking he got fouled. But he is so fucking good it's scary.

I actually hope they make it to the finals and Lebron shows him what Next Level is.

TM

Gattigap

04-22-2009 02:09 PM

Re: And speaking of hoops

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 388070)

Unless Portland somehow gets the Lakers to freak the fuck out, I think they'll get to the Finals (sorry, ncs) and face the Cavs.

Which would be a great series, I think.

Cletus Miller

04-22-2009 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 388067)

And thinking about specific times a bit more, it was *usually* directed at someone (announcers, opponent's bench, etc) rather than the camera specifically.

Hank Chinaski

04-22-2009 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 388067)

at the king James AAU tournament a college scout gave coaches a list of what a player should not do- celebrating a make was the number two thing, only after disrespecting your coach. that said, i don't think those rules apply to the next LeBron/Melo/Wade.

and I only remember MJ doing it when his shot led to a dead ball situation.

futbol fan

04-22-2009 03:13 PM

Braw hens

For Less's "I Told You So" collection:

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...2.ece?offset=3

SFW.

ThurgreedMarshall

04-22-2009 03:28 PM

Re: Braw hens

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 388102)

For Less's "I Told You So" collection:

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...2.ece?offset=3

SFW.

Damn. That's piss poor.

TM

Did you just call me Coltrane?

04-22-2009 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 388076)

at the king James AAU tournament a college scout gave coaches a list of what a player should not do- celebrating a make was the number two thing, only after disrespecting your coach.

And the third is never get involved in a land war in Asia.

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