Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

It was a lazy descriptive, stolen from ole Pumpkinhead himself, who is himself so crooked he needs servants to screw his pants on in the morning.* But I was referring to the subtle quid pro quos involving speaking engagements. That gets into the sphere of graft.

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*Also stolen.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Kinda sounded like he was just arguing that Obama was not sleazy and the Hill was pretty close to him.

Also, funny that in the paragraph before this you justs said that Bill wasn't anywhere near LBJ, Nixon or W. That's a funny way to "degrade."

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

There is a mix. I believe there are still a number of extraordinary public servants in the mix. I worked for one such Congressman once upon a time (now retired). I also worked for another Congressman (also retired).

The real cesspool these days is not the elected officials themselves, but the body politic that have made the investigations themselves the tool of punishment. Really, since the HUAC in the 50s, one party has believed endless investigations serve it, even if they are unsuccessful in finding any guilt whatsoever.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Why don't you wait until you have something to say to write? Tx.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

They named it the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation, not me.

As for the foundation's work, well, you seem content with the idea that it did good work, and it's best not to think to much about why the likes of Nursultan A. Nazarbayev might have funded it. Dwelling on those sorts of unpleasantries only gives comfort to Hillary's critics. There's some truth in that, but if that's all the social change we can ask for, that's pretty sad. And that was my point.

Re: Here comes the waterfall...
 

Sad that you are taking something interesting and new and viewing it through the lens of DC partisan combat.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

I'm guessing it's 20-25% of them today. But it's not their fault. It's the money raising element of politics. The system is pretty much owned by outside interests.

2. You have a zero sum game mentality at work. McConnell expressed this ethos best when upon Obama's election, he stated he would thwart every single thing Obama did. A big part of this is engaging in endless investigations of everything. Benghazi, Whitewater, HRC's Emails Parts I-VII, Bill Clinton Impeachment...

But what has not yet been investigated in detail? The question of whether the Iraq War was a conspiracy based on intentional misrepresentations, or a mere intelligence failure. This is the most significant question of our time, and it remains unanswered. (Not to me, but officially.)

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Whoa there -- Bilmore may call you shrill.

Re: Here comes the waterfall...
 

God, you fall flat trying to be clever so fucking often...

That's where it's going, dude. That's my point.

I don't care much about Conyers doing something dumb or odious. He's one of what'll be 100 to come.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

I don't know where you went to college, but you may want to look at it's donor list. Around here, at least, it's pretty tough to find a school whose base fortunes aren't derived in part from some combination of the slave trade, oil money, and various other rape and pillage schemes. Hospitals are not much different.

I hope you will hold every charity you deal with to the same level of purity.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

I agree with him on the degrading, but I think the source is actually in the media more than on the hill. The most radically degraded institution out there is the right wing media, and that goes back quite a bit these days.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

I can and would litigate this issue all day long.

The only modern Presidents one can argue come close to W would be Nixon and LBJ. That argument would be based on their continuation of the war in Vietnam. Both of those men lied, and it did cost the lives of 50,000 innocent Americans, and countless innocent Vietnamese.

BUT... That war was predicated on a legitimate fear of Communist creep. There was a reasonably perceived assessment made that we needed to place a bulwark against an enemy encroachment in that part of the world.

Iraq was a lie, of whole cloth, from the start. Saddam was contained, and would remain contained, and we knew it. He was, in fact, a bulwark in our favor against radical Islamists. He was the devil to be dealt with, to be bought off as necessary - an eventual Gaddafi in the making.

It was false, rotten, dumb, cynical, opportunistic and reckless in a manner Vietnam was not. That's irrefutable. And it burns my fucking ears every time I hear someone say, "Wouldn't you rather have W back now?" No. No I wouldn't. I don't think HRC is a liar like Cheney and Rummy and Bush were, but fear of her interest in foreign interventionism is a lot of what disqualified her in my eyes.

Might I have been wrong? And might Trump be worse? Certainly. But if I might borrow from George Tenet's post-Iraq mea culpa, I was working with incomplete information at the time.

W is the worst President of the last 50 years. I'll stand in the well of Congress and say it. And god help any son of a bitch who attempts to defend him.

Re: Here comes the waterfall...
 

Who's trying to be clever? I don't think that's where it's going. When everyone lives in a glass house, no one wants to throw stones.

No interest in defending Conyers here, and happy to see the Charlie Roses of the world walk their planks.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

So far it seems like you have not been. I don't think we really know what's going on in places like Niger, and that should be scary, but I have to admit that I expected 45 to be pushed into greater interventions than we've seen so far.

Re: Here comes the waterfall...
 

I think that's exactly where this is going.

Notice how when people on the Right started getting hit with this stuff, suddenly stories started emerging about people on the Left?

You think these things are all organic?

The sad fact is, a lot of legitimate voices seeking to stanch harassment are going to be mixed in with a bunch of people playing political games and looking to cash in on some info.

I'm highly suspicious of the Franken story. This woman worked in media and has herself admitted she sees no reason to punish him severely. Okay. Then why the sudden disclosure? I'd like to see the miscellaneous 1099 income section of her tax return for this year, her voter registration, and her financial situation in general. And no -- this is not victim shaming.