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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Why then does the leader of "developed" Malaysia tow the Pan-Arab party line and often mention the "Zionist State"?

Why wouldn't they? Why would you expect any muslim country to support Israel?

Penske_Account

08-10-2006 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
sorry man, i thought we was done, but we Ain't, so you and me is done.

eta: :blush:

Penske_Account

08-10-2006 02:20 AM

Say it ain't so, Joe

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Originally posted by Spanky
Why wouldn't they? Why would you expect any muslim country to support Israel?

A sense of shared humanity, natural rights of man and a respect for international law? Or are those concepts too much to expect from a peoples living with their sensibilities, intellectual and emotional evolution in the 7th Century AD?

sebastian_dangerfield

08-10-2006 07:16 AM

Say it ain't so, Joe

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
We bombed Germany into oblivion and nuked Japan.

We're ignoring a good precedent here.

The Germans and Japanese were about 7000 more advanced cultures and economies than the Arab street. If the Arabs didn't have oil, they'd still be riding around in the desert fighting one another, as they were through the 19th Century.

Gattigap

08-10-2006 08:51 AM

Say it ain't so, Joe

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
We bombed Germany into oblivion and nuked Japan.

We're ignoring a good precedent here.

Good point.

Actually, I think it's exactly this dynamic that keeps Kim Jong Il in power. Sure, he can sell nuclear technology to the Pakistanis and others, yell from the mountaintops that He Has Nukes, and make public statements that threaten, well, the United States.

But that fucker knows not to say shit about Jerusalem, because if he did, we'd turn Pyonyang into glass before lunch.

taxwonk

08-10-2006 10:20 AM

Say it ain't so, Joe

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Oh, I was masturbating to a magazine, not Wonk's stuff.

Imagine my relief.

taxwonk

08-10-2006 10:25 AM

Let's not show them how we make the sausage

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
in Detroit that shit wouldn't have gone over. bust teeth- eat lunch. no offense.

I'm with you. 200 hungry office workers and 20 hippies? Here, we'd have torn them limb from limb and reenacted Upton Sinclair's The Jungle.

Adder

08-10-2006 10:27 AM

Say it ain't so, Joe

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If Abemehudhjah (sp) keeps rattling the sabre and threatening to wipe Israel off the map, there may be little choice.

And tactical nukes aren't necessarily the option. We have plenty of other non-nuclear hardware that could level Tehran.

But again, does the West have the stomach to level an entire city [a la Berlin, Hiroshima]?

Isn't there a meaningful distinction betweening threatening too (ala the Iraqi minister of information) and actually taking steps to?

Adder

08-10-2006 10:29 AM

Say it ain't so, Joe

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The old thought that "Westernization" would win them over isn't playing out

It certainly isn't while we are occupying one Arab country and backing Israel's invasion of another.

andViolins

08-10-2006 10:32 AM

Say it ain't so, Joe

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Originally posted by Adder
It certainly isn't while we are occupying one Arab country and backing Israel's invasion of another.

Right on Adder!!!! If it weren't for those pesky JOOOOOOOOOZ we would all be living in one big happy world!!!!!!

aV

Adder

08-10-2006 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Do the people on this board calling for Bush's head every day honestly believe things would change if we elect a Democrat?

Yes.

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I wonder if they think a Dem could actually bring soldiers home.

Not immediately, but they replacing the current heavy-handed, rugged-individualist, weilder of American might with an administration that is will to engage our alleys as well as other nations with shared interests in the region might help find an actual solution. At the moment the only two choices on the table (stay or go) are both bad.

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It's kind of funny. These people seem to think we can elect our way out of tangles with the Islamic World. As if Arabs might suddenly shift gears when they see we elected a "reasonable" person who recognizes their right to exist in the the 14th Century and behave like Barbarians.

It isn't a matter of sudden change. It is a matter of lessening the provocation over time, of targeting the hostile individuals and not whole provocations, and improving conditions on the ground.

Tyrone Slothrop

08-10-2006 10:36 AM

Penske isn't the only fan of Marty Peretz -- Jesus' General is on board with him.

http://webpages.charter.net/micah/organ.jpg

Adder

08-10-2006 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Since Penske wonders what John Quiggin is up to:

I’ve been reading Steven Poole’s Unspeak and he observes that having introduced a five-level color coded terror alert, the government has never used the top level (red) or the bottom two levels (blue and green). The obvious reason is that a red alert would require some specific action, while a move to a blue or green level would imply that there was some prospect of the War on Terror actually ending.

I’ve noticed much the same phenomenon with 5-point grading scales for worker performance, such as those used in the Australian Public Service for a while. A top score suggests a requirement for some kind of substantial reward, so these are rare, while a score of 4 or 5 implies a need for counselling and a possibility of dismissal. So just about everyone gets a 2 or a 3, yielding, in effect, a two-point scale.

link

DHS have everyone feeling safe yet?

you have impeccable timing

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