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ETA: I also think the political fallout is the least important part of this discussion. |
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As much as it's important to recognize that Franken and Moore are not at all alike situations, in any regard, it's also important to separate the clearly political or cashing-in stories from those offered by women who just want to make a difference. The latter deserve some scrutiny, the former deserve to be considered exclusively on merits. That may seem a harsh approach. But it's warranted. Because there's an even bigger accusation hurricane coming before 2018, and a whole cabal of Lee Atwaters and Gotcha Media types behind it. |
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It's a similar dynamic to what happened with "grab them by the pussy." It wasn't the non-consensual touching that was the problem, I mean they're all lying and probably really wanted it anyway, it was lewd language, to this crowd. Because consent isn't really a thing, but potty mouth is. I don't know how big it is, but there is a movement among wingers to argue that consent as the sole standard of acceptable sexual conduct is what creates sexual harassment and assault. Afterall, how do you find out is someone consents without asking, but the asking is itself harassment if there's a power dynamic. We need "traditional mores," the argument goes, relieve this tension. Nevermind that consent is a significant tightening of traditional mores as to what is acceptable and that traditional mores definitely did not work to prevent harassment when they were the only standard. Basically, there's a non-trivial part of American society that thinks we are collectively having way too much sex. Yikes. |
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Related: what the hell did Bill O'Reilly do to generate a $32 MILLION settlement? That's not cupping someone's ass while posing for a picture. |
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BTW, this line deserves applause: "Because consent isn't really a thing, but potty mouth is." |
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Get a life. |
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Occam would suggest a good bit of this is hormones taking over the brain of males with time on their hands and off the chart egos. It'd be analytical malpractice to investigate this as a purely social and entirely non-biological situation. It's not surprising to hear that Weinstein was generally abusive to both sexes in addition to being a rapist. And as one thinks back on the guys you've known who've engaged in harassment, three groups tend to appear: 1. Selfish geeks who cannot natively attract women (a lot of the Hollywood guys so far); 2. Douchebags; 3. Violent or deviant assholes (the kinds of guys who'd beat people up in high school). Examples of A: Ratner, NYTimes guy, C.K. Examples of B: Pivin, Franken, Besh Examples of C: Weinstein, Toback |
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