Take that, Ned
 

You were in High School.

I assume you make more now than when you did on your paper route.

Take that, Ned
 

STP. One wonk is enough.

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I wonder what a similar poll taken in 1998 would have found.

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Since y'all on the left think I am monkey feces flinging clinton hating rightwing nut, I will say, honestly, if you asked those questions at any time since about 1977 (I am using this date as a relative starting point for some minimal degree of political cognizance), I would have answered yes and yes, notwithstanding any political differences with the people in office.

Clinton's presidency didn't make me hate America, it gave me more respect for and insight into the positive aspects of the system annd insitutions that we have, notwithstanding that he obviously had no respect for that system or its institutions.

eta: What would your answers have been in each of 1998 and 2004?

Say it ain't so, Joe
 

Why are you calling it "Palestine". Did not the Palis reject UN Resolution 181 (II) ("Future Government of Palestine"), adopted on Nov. 29, 1947? (which offered Jews living in the Palestine Mandate a certain amount of territory to be the "Jewish State" and territory to Arabs living in the Mandate referred to as the "Arab State", but which was expected to be called "Palestine" by the Arabs, except that they rejected the Resolution.) I thought that even after the war, the Arabs refused to name their offered territory "Palestine" (claiming the whole lot of it their's). This doesn't take into account rejections of Camp David, Taba proposals, etc.

ETA "Jewish State" versus "Arab State" stuff.

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I frankly can't believe he tried that argument. Thank god you and Penske have brains... I actually started looking up historical rates to figure out how in the hell he could possibly say that.

Then I decided to read a few responses to him. I owe you a drink for the time you just saved me.

The world's most gullible litigator,
SD

Say it ain't so, Joe
 

The thrust of my question was why is Israel named Israel and not Judah?

Say it ain't so, Joe
 

Giving Yassir Arafat the Nobel Peace Prize permanently discredited that award (it was on shakey ground anyway after they gave it to the foreign secretary of North Vietnam).

Say it ain't so, Joe
 

You'd think that giving Pearl Buck the Nobel Prize for Literature would have discredited that award, but it's still a big thing. Go figure.

I think it would be a good board title
 

inquiries into the impossibility of justice and the terminal intellectual fatigue caused by disillusionment

something some poet said about some sicilian author.

penske may interpret my liking for the quote as hating America.

Take that, Ned
 

This may explain why his next line started "But seriously,"

Say it ain't so, Joe
 

The difference Ty is what the symbolism is. The super duper majority of people in the world not only do not give a flying fuck who Pearl Buck or who gets the Nobel Prise for Lit or what books she wrote but all of those things will have absofuckinglutely no affect of any kind ever on their lives. 0. beyond nothing.

The nobel peace prise, while at the end of the day while conveying no tangible power, is symbolic. Giving it to Arafat is symbolic of the fact that the liberals in the West, the US and Europe and the UN have legitimised this guy as a respected world leader to the point where an international organisation will give him its preeminent declaration of being a person who strives for peace. We both know I could go and google and find websites that detail the thousands of innocent civilians who died at Arafat's orders, including instances where he was on site for terrorist killings of civilians. But the liberals in the media, in the US and Europe were willing not only to overlook this, but to give a mass murdering terrorist who espouses a doctrine of hate and race extermination the legitimacy to have an international platform, again, with the Peace Prise being a symbol of that legitimisation.

It's as if GErmany had fought WWII to a stalemate and then HItler got the nobel peace prise. Would you have supported that?

The result of this symbolic legitimisation is that terrorist organisations are now the most powerful entities in the region at issue and are legitimised from being terrorist organisations to being political parties. The result is War.

Perhaps, if the liberals in the West had been willing to differentiate between a terrorist and a statesmen and could call out the former as being persona non grata in the peace process, there would have been an impetus on the Arab populace of the region to find, develop and support responsible statesmen. Instead the West said, we leigitimise terrorists who espouse hate. And those terrorists exploited the hate, tjhe dark side of the force, iyw, and we end up with a region that has no mechanism for a peaceful solution.

Congratulations!

I think it would be a good board title
 

I can't interpret this as saying anything. Maybe I am intellectually fatigued......was it directed at me, the sicilian thing?

Have you eaten?

Take that, Ned
 

Adder is not really known for his subtle wit, I still discern an intent to deceive and frankly, I am offended. No offence.

Say it ain't so, Joe
 

Because Judah sounds lousy. Say it a few times. Its clumsy, awkward sounding and has no kick. Flat... too many vowels. "Israel" has a nice run to it. Rolls off the lips crisply.