Delay = RINO
 

No, I said I wanted more than a single sentence from a single speech that Penske found amidst the cartoons and photoshopped images on a website somewhere.

For a lawyer, you don't read too good.

No, since there is a big difference between "common knowledge" and "images posted by Penske." As a relative newber, I suppose it's possible that you haven't noticed this yet.

Delay = RINO
 

I read the article (or at least the portions cited in that ridiculous Blog article) and I did not misread it. But this is all so ridiculous. The Economist did not draw the conclusion that Bush doctored the numbers. They said there are facts that make it seem possible and there is reason to believe that is was in their interest to do so. But unlike you, they never implied that they had a smoking gun (conclusive evidence), so they did not make any conclusions.

Know one knows whether Bush intentionally inflated the numbers except for people in the Bush administration. And at this point no one seems to be talking. So we really don't know do we?

Of course you seem to think that it is a fact. Are you privy to inside sources at the White House that I am not aware of?

Delay = RINO
 

well I know a little something about photoshopping, and I know that people wouldn't think to make the image if there wasn't truth there.

See smoke? look for fire!

Delay = RINO
 

Why would we care what you want? To most everyone else this was common knowledge. It was like you were asking for a cite showing that Thomas Jefferson was the third president. Why would we find such a cite for you; something we all know to be obviously true?



You demand a cite to demonstrate to you something we already know, and yet, you seem to think that I should conlude that Bush intentionally overestimated the numbers, where all you have is conjecture and no direct evidence.

Any thing negative about Roosevelt, you need more than one cite (more than that speech as if that wasn't enough and even though everyone on the board is saying it is common knowledge) but you make a negative conclusion about Bush based purely on speculation.

Delay = RINO
 

2 as to everything, except I would change "a negative conclusion" to "biweekly warped insane charges."

Just compensation
 

Said the real estate speculator. (I know, I know . . . you help people.)

Speaking of which, looking into some properties in New Orleans?

S_A_M

I am emailing Mary Jo Kopechne to get her thoughts. I will let you know what I find out.

Just compensation
 

Maybe we're giving Nagin a bum rap.

Of the purportedly hundreds and hundreds of dead bodies in the Superdome, the final actual total was SIX.

Yes, SIX.

Delay = RINO
 

Indeed, an excellent standard to facilitate discussion. If we all adopt it, the board will be the better for it.

For example, it is common knowledge, accepted by millions (perhaps even billions around the globe) that "Bush Lied and People Died."

Just accept it (and stop asking for proof) so that we can all move on.

S_A_M

Delay = RINO
 

2. The line in the speech I pulled was typical of Roosevelt's stump campaign rhetoric, all of which is part and parcel of a campaign that he ran that was based on not going to war in Europe. For that period this is as common knowledge as the fact that Hitler engaged in a campaign of genocide against the jews of Europe. Or, like the Palestinians, is Ty denying that historical fact too?????


As for the buses, the fact that Ty is still heding acceptance of them is beyond the pale.

Just compensation
 

That's six more than died at the Starwood hotel chain's hotels.

Delay = RINO
 

The reason to look it up is because it is critical to your argument that the tax increases of 1993 were not necessary to balance the budget. That, in turn, is critical to your idea that the Democrats are intrinsically incapable of seeking to balance the budget (originally based on your incorrect statement that the Democrats had not voted a balanced budget in 50 years).

I assume you'd like to convince someone in that argument, perhaps me, for example. But, yes, if the only reason to look something up is to score points, and you don't want to convince anyone of your position, I do not believe those points will get you any frequent flyer miles and I'm sure there are better things to do with the time.

I did not see the discussion on FDR. Was it about the famous and oft-repeated line from him about "your boys will not die in any foreign wars"?

There has been a lot of work done on whether FDR had an actual change of heart or was purposely misleading in his campaign, and I think the consensus among historians is that he pushed the line early and kept to it, because it got big responses from the crowd, but that by the time of the election he had a pretty good idea war was unavoidable. Still, he may have believed it enough to wait for Pearl Harbor before getting in the war, even as England stood alone, and many think this delay was an enormous mistake that may have substantially prolonged the war.

What is all this stuff about buses? Just curious.

Delay = RINO
 

That is absolutely true -- and was essential to FDR's election in 1940, since much of America at that time was strongly isolationist.

But what was/is your point?

[See Penske, that's one of the problems with your prolix style and use of photshops and hyperbole and babyjesuschrist superstars -- sometimes you actually have a point, and it gets lost.]

S_A_M

P.S. Fortunately for the world -- the Japanese took care of that problem by attacking the U.S.

Just compensation
 

Your rhymes are for shit,
and your persuasion is poor:
You know where I live
But don't call anymore.

(Sniff.)

Still, since I got bored
And started this mess,
My verses may bug you,
But at least I post less.

Delay = RINO
 

FDR made most of his statements about staying out of the war in the 1940 campaign, though by the time of the election peacetime conscription was already happening; the invasion of Poland happened in 1939, and the invasion of Belgium and France in Spring and Summer of 1940. At that point, everyone knew Hitler was a brutal meglamaniac and that he was anti-semitic (he had enacted race laws, for example), but there was no public knowledge of genocide.

The first State Department memoranda on the possibility of genocide come in 1942, and the first concentration camps were opened in 1943, but it's hard to say that there was common knowledge among the public until 1944.

Just compensation
 

I'm just afraid this may be how you actually talk now.

By the way, the weedlet and I were watching a bit of Charlotte's Web last night (I had to switch channels from Rome when she walked into the room) and I finally figured out who it is you've always reminded me of. The silky voice, the big vocabulary, the gams . . . salutations!

Oh yeah, forgot where I was: FDR should have driven the buses to Germany to stabilize the bond market or something.

Just compensation
 

How about a nice ballad?

Just compensation
 

Say if you liked Scotish Breakfast tea, or English Breakfast tea better than Irish breakfast tea- would you still drink Irish breakfast tea for political reasons?

Does the IRA disarming change that at all?

Just compensation
 

I know the answer -
Though tea is drunk lots
by the limeys and micks,
The best is the Scots!

English and Irish blend
Teas you can botch
Up with sugar or milk,
While a Scots blend is Scotch.

Just compensation
 

Scotish is my favorite, but for some reason it's much rarer here than the other 2. Most companies sell Irish and English here, but only a few sell Scotish.

Do you have a link to the poem?

Just compensation
 

I've no link to the poem,
So I can't help you dear,
But a link to your tea
I can offer you here.

Not a bullet, not an ounce.
 

The Provos drink coffee. That was one of the most significant reasons behind the split in '69.

Just compensation
 

I thought you had promised
That you would post less.
Your promise as good as
a Clinton's, I guess?

I confess I had penned
several more verses,
but omit them from here
to forestall your curses.

S_A_M

Not a bullet, not an ounce.
 

brc. would you post a poem to explain what this means?

Just compensation
 

I can identify one worse feeling: When you are conversing with someone who claims to be a die-hard anti-tax free market anti-government Republican, but who thinks we should spend a lot of public money to help poor people, and you say "fuck them, the market will provide," thinking that only an illiterate would miss the irony in that statement, and he misses it.



See above. And try to think harder when you read.

Just compensation
 

I can post all I want,
So long as I rhyme.
The problem's that rhyming
Gets easier with time.

But Weedy's concern
Is one I share, too:
When I'm drafting contracts
Now verses sneak through.

The root cause is a fancy
My mind lately took:
To write nasty nursery
Rhymes for a book.

Old Father William,
with his very white head,
will be taking Viagra
to stand in his bed,

And you don't want to know
what Jack Sprat and his wife
are eating in my version -
No, not on your life.

Delay = RINO
 

For days Ty refused to believe "that was absolutely true" and was demanding cites for days. Just like he demanded cites demonstrating that the buses were flooded. He lives in world where everything that reinforces his preconceived notions of the world do not need evidence, and anything that contradicts his preconceived notion of reality takes four primary sources and one has to be from a left wing loon.

I do apologize eventually
 

FWIW, once I join AA the archives here prove a big help for completing step 8.

Delay = RINO
 

Common knowlede.

1) Are you saying that FDR misleading the public about WWII is not common knowledge and needs cites?

2) Even Ty earlier agreed that Bush probably believed there where no WMDs when he released those statements. I believe lying requires Mens Rea. It is another allegation that we do not have proof of yet you want to accept as fact. Just like Bush intentionally mispredicted the budget numbers.

Again, in your world thing that back your preconceived notions of the world don't require evidence where things that do not require overwhelming evidence.

Just compensation
 

I think my post preceded yours. At the time I posted it I believe Ty was the only one that challenged it. Didn't yours come later (or at least you posted it when I was working on my response).

Delay = RINO
 

??? I think you have ben posting here too long, and/or reading posts by Hank and Penske too much. This is so incoherent.

Wait, maybe you just can't do long sentences -- if so, please go back to your normal style of short, declarative sentences only. If you could cut some of the repetitiveness, it'd be nice, but I would rather see repetitiveness than this bizarre incoherence.

Just compensation
 

My "fuck em, the market will provide" post was at 4:48 pm on Friday. Your "don't you liberals care about poor people" post was at noon on Saturday.

And fuck you for making me go back to check all of this.

Just compensation
 

The Katrina evacuees are in my back yard now. I have become a Conservative.

Delay = RINO
 

If you are implying that spank has been influenced or has learned from Penske and me, then, ipsa facto, our posts must be coherent.

Delay = RINO
 

Delay = RINO
 

I think your ipso facto thingy works for "learned from" but one could be influenced even by The Sound and the Fury.

Delay = RINO
 

Thanks! I don't know the presidents in order. The only one I could name by number is George Washington.

Delay = RINO
 

On reading your post I
was rather distraught
that you speak of my world
of which you know naught.

You lump us together,
as if you had read
in my post words
never written or said.

You lack real humor,
have no sense of style,
from one post to the next
your words miss by a mile.

I fear that this discourse
may make me seem rude,
but your literal mind
makes you seem like a boob.

S_A_M :poke:

Just compensation
 

Rhyming can be quite fun
And BRC you have a sharp wit
But before this thread is done
I must point out that I invented it.

(well, Shifter's girfriend, Katy, had a part.)