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sebastian_dangerfield 12-08-2017 02:27 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 511860)
You are just like Hillary Clinton -- all you offer is complaining about the Republicans, with no positive, concrete agenda to tell voters how you will make their lives better. You just don't learn.

Except unlike 2016, in 2018, Republicans will have been in control for two years.

You'd agree, complaining about what the opponent who's not in control might do and pointing to what the opponents in control have done are two very different things.

sebastian_dangerfield 12-08-2017 02:39 PM

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You sent a colleague a text message with an explicit image. Harassment? You can't say. Depends on other context, the most important of which is whether that colleague was happy to receive it or not.
I'd fire you for having terrible judgment. If you don't know the person well enough to know they won't freak out if sent a dirty image, and you still send it, you're going to do a lot more really dumb shit.

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You got a blowie from a copy room messenger under your desk. Harassment? Signs point to it, but you can't say for sure unless you know whether the messenger felt and feels like a willing participant (leaving aside the rest of the office for whom it could be a factor in a hostile work environment.

The the very same objective conduct is harassment or not depending on how it is received. This is what harassment means.
Blow jobs? They tend to be well received.

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Signing up for a gender discrimination suit is a really poor way to CYA.
It doesn't take a law degree (hell, it might not even take a college degree) to create pretexts to avoid hiring employees in protected classes in professional positions. You've a got a long menu of nebulous criteria with which to paper the file. It happens all the time.

ThurgreedMarshall 12-08-2017 02:41 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511869)
So, objectively, at a minimum, I'd say harassment must require intent.

If you have a work environment in which you degrade women with others as part of ongoing jokes within the earshot of someone who doesn't find that shit funny, there may be no intent, but that is surely harassment.

TM

Tyrone Slothrop 12-08-2017 02:54 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 511866)
I thought he expressed that sentiment in his speech yesterday.

Perhaps so -- I didn't catch it.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-08-2017 02:55 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 511867)
No, Democrats worry that talking about Al sucks up all of the air time.

Ridiculous if true, but you seem to believe it.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-08-2017 02:58 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511869)
I had a naughty photo open on my phone (as we've all had). ... An assistant in the office (quite a gamer, I might add... exactly the sort who'd bring any claim available for $$$) asked me for a number....

Curious -- when you say "we've all had," are you referring to the people in this current conversation, people on this board, lawyers in your office, everyone in your office (including the assistant), people generally?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-08-2017 02:59 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511869)

So, objectively, at a minimum, I'd say harassment must require intent.

Harassment doesn't require "intent", if by intent you mean some degree of conscious malevolence . There are clueless people who think their shit is well-intentioned.

In most of those cases, you want to enlighten them first by hitting them with a 2x4, and then they'll get all unhappy because they can't pinch asses, make polish jokes, or complain about the Jews owning the media anymore, even though it was all in fun.

But some are so egregious that there won't be a second chance in my workplace, because it's not just about them, it's about having a decent workplace.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-08-2017 02:59 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511870)
Except unlike 2016, in 2018, Republicans will have been in control for two years.

You'd agree, complaining about what the opponent who's not in control might do and pointing to what the opponents in control have done are two very different things.

It's a fair point, but I think it's still crippling for Democrats to complain about Republicans without offering something concrete and better.

Adder 12-08-2017 03:00 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 511871)
Blow jobs? They tend to be well received.

You're really not paying any attention to the world around you, are you?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-08-2017 03:00 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 511877)
It's a fair point, but I think it's still crippling for Democrats to complain about Republicans without offering something concrete and better.

While that is all Republicans have done for the last 20 years, whether in or out of power, perhaps with a brief period in the first year or two of Bush II's first term, at some point someone has to actually govern.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-08-2017 03:31 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 511878)
You're really not paying any attention to the world around you, are you?

Sometimes your patronizing tone makes me feel deplorable.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-08-2017 03:33 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 511879)
While that is all Republicans have done for the last 20 years, whether in or out of power, perhaps with a brief period in the first year or two of Bush II's first term, at some point someone has to actually govern.

I wasn't talking about how to govern, but how to campaign. Trump promised to build a wall. It was a concrete, simple thing that many people thought would make a difference to them.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-08-2017 04:22 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Well, Trent Franks is so.... special.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-08-2017 04:26 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 511906)
Well, Trent Franks is so.... special.

Sex + pro-life = "surrogacy"?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-08-2017 04:33 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 511907)
Sex + pro-life = "surrogacy"?

+ $5M = XXX

Solve for XXX


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