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Could these guys timing be any worse...............


Tony Blair has been warned by leading British Muslims that the Iraq war and the UK's failure to use its influence to end Israeli attacks on civilians are fuelling extremism at home. Their views are set out in a letter as a full-page advertisement in newspapers.

The letter warns: "The debacle of Iraq and now the failure to do more to secure an immediate end to the attacks on civilians in the Middle East not only increases the risk to ordinary people in that region, it is also ammunition to extremists who threaten us all."

It was signed by three of the four Muslim MPs - Sadiq Khan, Shahid Malik and Mohammed Sarwar - as well as three of the four Muslim members of the House of Lords - Lord Patel of Blackburn, Lord Ahmed of Rotherham and Baroness Uddin. It was also backed by 38 Muslim groups, including the Muslim Council of Britain, the Muslim Association of Britain, the British Muslim Forum and the British Muslim Forum.

Mr Khan said the Government's Middle East policy was seen as "unfair and unjust" by many people. "Whether we like it or not, such a sense of injustice plays into the hands of extremists," he said.

The non-issue
 

Vote for Adder - "The repsonsible voice of the Left"

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Those guys are the moderates. They're on our side -- remember?

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This is laughable. They could pull out tomorrow and there could be peace between Israel and Lebannon, and it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

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I can't imagine a person that is more out of touch than you are:

1) Right after the DHS helps foil a major terrorist plot in Britain (yes, many of the phone calls were intercepted by US agencies). And when there hasn't been one death in America caused by terrorism after the DHS's creation, you claim that the DHS is a completely disorganized mess and purely exists to give cronies big government contracts. The one item you use to support your claim is the debacle in New Orleans which was not the organization's primary mission and it had to deal with incredibly corrupt and incompetent state and municipal governments when dealing with the situation. Oh and lets not forget your claim that the DHS is utterly incompetent for not dealing with liquid based explosive, right after they help foil a terrorist plot that was going to use liquid based explosives.

2) You point to a slight shadow on the Deans upper lip on the RNC web page, which may or may not have been put there intentionally, as a major outrage and something that should be focused on as a major political scandal (this is during a war in Lebanon and when a major terrorist plot has just been thwarted).

3) You can't see that right after the British government has foiled an attempt by a group of Muslims to kill thousands of innocent British citizens, that that may not be the best timing for members of the Muslim community to start complaining about Britain’s conduct in the middle east and saying that if such conduct is not changed there might be dire consequences for British citizens (caused no less by these complainants more zealous brethren).

And people claim that Penske is irrational and makes crazy unsubstantiated statements that no one in their right mind could subscribe to.

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Right on, although Adder is close.



Huh?!?!? Cite please.

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How on earth did these guys get to be lords? Doesn't that take some swearing of an allegiance or fealty to the Queen? How does that square with their oaths to Allah?

I predict Britain is an Islamic Republic by 2020.

my next congressman?
 

Steve Beren supports our troops and our mission in the U.S.-led war against terrorism. Beren was a Vietnam antiwar activist in the 1960s and 1970s, but since then he has become a patriot, and a Republican.



Patriot and Republican? Isn't that redundant.

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Mea culpa! I sent out quite a few PMs during the whole "Bunifa affair." Sorry. BFF?

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I'll just respond to #3. Their point is that British policies in the Middle East are making it more likely that Britain will face plots such as the one just foiled. This seems like a fine time to bring that up, no?

In responding, start with the assumption that the people doing the speaking abhor plots of the sort just foiled and are doing their utmost to make sure we avoid such things in the future.

As to #1, if you think DHS is a well-run agency, mazeltov. You may be the only one.

On #2, I don't recall saying it was a major issue. I posted a link to photos, which speak for themselves. You and Slave are getting awfully exercised, though.

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Are you kidding? You may agree with or disagree with Britain’s policies in the Middle East, but to say that such policies right now are causing (and thereby possibly implying a justification) what is happening is crazy. While emotions and anger are running high, they should avoid that line of argument completely.

What they should do right now is to say without any reservation (and without any implication that there might be even the tiniest justification), that "these attempts by fellow Muslims at targeting innocent British Citizens are completely unforgivable and unjustifiable. We may disagree with some of Britain's policies in the Middle East, but that bears no relation to these acts and does not justify in any way these acts." In other words, they should just be assuring everyone that they don't think these acts are justified (because there is tons of suspicion out there that they think they are justified - especially considering the poles everyone has seen).

Instead what they are saying is we don't like these acts, but what do you expect when Britain is acting this way in the Middle East? They are just reminding everyone that these evil vicious terrorists hold the same view of Britain’s policies as they themselves do, and that is the last thing they should be trying to do. They are also increasing the suspicion out there that they support these acts, or think they might be partially justified - which if they are trying to win hearts and minds, is the last thing they should do.

My guess is that most Britain’s think they should try and do the right thing in the Middle east, and they shouldn't be intimidated into doing the wrong thing. Tying these despicable acts to people who disagree with what Britain’s is doing, just gives more credence to what Britain is doing in the Middle East. They are going to make people think that if such evil people are against us, we must be doing the right thing. By saying Britain should stop doing what it is doing because innocent people in Britain might get killed will just backfire in their faces. Especially right after such an atrocious terrorist attempt was made.

They should be arguing (and not right now) even though these acts are awful, and Britain’s policies in the Middle East in no way justify these acts, we still think Britain’s polices are wrong and here is why. In other words, Britain should stop its current policies not because innocent people in Britain will die, but because they are wrong. Britain should always do the right thing, even in the face of evil but right now what Britian is doing is the wrong thing. But they shouldn't make such a statement at any time near one of these terrorist acts.

Isn't that obvious? Aren't they just hurting their own position and destroying their own credibility?

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I think it's obvious that they agree that terrorist action are wrong, and I assume that they said as much. Indeed, I find it odd that you entertain the notion that they feel differently. Are you assuming that they have such odd views simply because they're Muslims?

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Of course they said it was wrong, and I acknowledge that they said it was wrong. But they didn't make it clear that they thought there was absolutely no justification for their actions. And they said such actions have to be expected because of British policy in the Middle East. The point is such terrorists action should never be expected from anyone at anytime.

Your reading comprehension is either poor or you are in denial. I never said that they thought the terrorist actions were not wrong or that they didn't say so. However, they did imply that although wrong it might be understandible what they are doing and that Britain should determine its foreign policy not based on what is right but based on avoiding terrorist acts.

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Your first two sentences make sense individually, but not when read together. If these folks think terrorism is wrong, how can they think there is some justification for it?

And then I don't understand your last two sentences at all. Of course we want people to "expect" terrorism. MI5, MI6, etc. That doesn't mean they approve of it.

In denial of what? I suspect that these people believe that what they are urging will not only help Britain avoid terrorist acts but also is "right." If you assume that they are patriotic Brits urging what they think is best for the country, what's the problem?

Can we kill them all?
 

If not, then perhaps a different strategy is called for.