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If only a man had been around to tell her. :rolleyes:

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Not sure what you think this adds to the conversation. When you have a thought on this subject, presumably your reaction is to disregard it because you're a man. But then you should disregard that reaction too. How do you get beyond that vicious cycle?

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Honestly, this is probably the dumbest stand I've ever seen you take. Because there is no ability to enforce an expectation and no ability to punish a violation, it doesn't exist?

How do you argue this and then, in the same breath, argue that what he did was wrong? She couldn't enforce her expectation that he act like a gentlemen and she has no sanction for his wrongdoing.

This is ridiculous.

TM

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This conversation is over.

His thought is not disregarded. His substitution of his judgment of what happened for her's is.

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g.o.

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She's not enforcing it? Ty and Sebby told me his career is in grave danger.

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Is there any other kind?

I hate when he says this - of course there are other kinds of danger besides "grave".

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You're really starting to sound like a dick. We have exhausted the conversation about Ansari. I am trying to ask you to articulate whether you recognize an expectation of privacy rights between two individuals. You seem to only be able to think about the topic in the most one-dimensional "can someone expect privacy if the other person doesn't like how they behaved way." You're acting like a tool.

Again, you have limited the conversation to when one of the parties feels victimized. We all understand where you stand on this.

Wrong. You keep reading into every question we ask you the same hypo because that's the only one you want to discuss.

I think you're full of shit. I think you would be pissed and would feel betrayed if your wife went around telling everyone she knew that your dick is small. You sound like Atticus when he says he wouldn't mind if his wife confided all of her personal feelings in another man and not him.

I think this is ridiculous. But maybe you're just insane. We're not talking about one night stands. We're not talking about what is possible. We're talking about the expectations one has when entering into a relationship. I think everyone on this board believes that part of being in a relationship is an understanding that there are certain personal things you do not discuss with other people. And celebrities can and should have those expectations. And their feelings of betrayal if that is violated are legitimate.

JFC. We heard you. Since you can't possibly agree that there are actions which one person may believe shouldn't leave the other victimized, this point is no longer worth discussing with you.

There you go again, trying to bring it back to a very specific set of circumstances. Whatever.

This sentence is almost completely useless. I feel like I'm talking to Sebby. No one here is arguing about enforceability rights. But the fact that you just said a person who reveals personal relationship information is a bad person means I was right about where you really stand.

What if she felt victimized because he didn't drive her home and revealed all of his personal, sexual attributes and tendencies? What if she misheard something he said and did an interview about everything? And if you say one more time that he can't enforce his expectation of privacy, let's just be done.

I like how you shift to a purely legal analysis when everyone knows we're talking about how one should act and people's relationship expectations.

Wait. Are you still talking legally or are you now talking about her expectations?

No one is asking about his ability to stop her. You are a very strange man.

TM

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Sebby wasn't substituting his judgment of what happened. He has a view about whether she should have cooperated with the Babe reporter.

Unless I misunderstood you, you were suggesting that Sebby's views on this can be disregarded because he's a man. Pot, kettle, no?

I didn't say that and I don't think that's true. The greater conversation that you think we need to have is so important that you'll put words in my mouth to have it with me?

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So I think we can all mainly agree that I am mostly correct that we should disregard Adder on this now. And not because he's a man.

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I'm on ignore?

I've a FB "friend" whom I don't really know. She is studying for a Master's in human sexuality, so she is forever posting about sexuality as a positive thing. She also sees herself as a feminist, and constantly quotes and posts things from men she finds where ever. She points out all the wrong things the men have said and done. She explains what right-thinking men should think and do. Except I don't have the first clue as to how to behave in the next situation, because her take on the specific situations seem tortured beyond belief. I'm fairly certain a high percentage of women would disagree with the faults she points to. But these are her legitimate feelings. If I went on a date with her and violated some line that only she saw I'm subject to criticism?

Just to see the various female takes on the Aziz stuff shows there is not some objective thing he did wrong. Given that how women might see a situation varies, what is a man to do? Follow the extreme of my FB friend? Well, I can't figure that out, so that would probably lead to me sitting waiting for women to approach me (High School all over again!). Of course, I'd be waiting a long time. So if men took her views to heart her degree wouldn't be of much use, because there would be a lot less sex going on.

My parents raised me to care for people in general and to respect women in particular. If I were a celebrity I'd feel wronged if I was the subject of a hit piece because of a woman's subjective view, which departs from where a reasonable person would see the situation.

All men bad. All women good?

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The next time you encounter someone who tells you that you need to just listen to women on these subjects, hand them Caitlin Flanagan's article in the Atlantic and stand back.

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Long porn, Lubriderm, and vibrators. Short condoms, brunch joints, and Valentines' Day.

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Ashley Banfield has my proxy penis here.

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That's awesome.

TM