LawTalkers - We are all Slave now.

Lots of love given for michigan proposal 2- The Michigan thing might make it better, but ultimately it only changes who is Gerrymandering. The commission is made up of 3D/3R and I think someone else picked how???. To me they should do it by geometry. Find the population center of a state. Define a square around that center of a size sufficient to cover the correct amount of people THEN build more squares from that. That the current Gerrymandering has been R driven doesn't mean the Ds are above it. Politicians do it to protect themselves. Math wouldn't care.

This, but the way to do it is to let anyone submit a districting map, and to pick the map that (a) results in district with no more than x variation in population, and (b) has the shortest aggregate boundaries. Repeat every ten years.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-07-2018 01:07 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 519298)

She's a woman.

Republicans spend a lot of time vilifying her for political reasons.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-07-2018 01:07 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 519302)

It's a lot more than that. I hear some of the most virulent hate for Pelosi come from other women.

Uh, seriously? Do you also think people of color can't be racist?

sebastian_dangerfield

11-07-2018 01:13 PM

Re: God damn it.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 519301)

Hard to square that notion with the Robbers Cave experiment.

At long last, you have now convinced me I am mentally ill.

I have never wanted to be a part of any group. As soon as I am in a group, I begin to internally critique its methods and aims and desire to either improve it (which is almost never a realizable option), subvert it (almost the point of sabotage), or just check out.

It's a reflexive recoiling. But the more I read on group dynamics and our natural tendencies toward ant-like behavior, the more I realize, I'm not correctly wired for the hive.

Thank you. You've just saved me a lot of cost of therapists.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-07-2018 01:24 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 519302)

It's a lot more than that. I hear some of the most virulent hate for Pelosi come from other women.

No, it's pretty much the misogyny. I've asked more than one person who speaks ill of her why, and the most common answer is to look at me like I have two heads and say "she's a bitch".

greatwhitenorthchick

11-07-2018 01:41 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 519307)

No, it's pretty much the misogyny. I've asked more than one person who speaks ill of her why, and the most common answer is to look at me like I have two heads and say "she's a bitch".

She's very skilled as a Speaker (never lost a vote) but a terrible messenger. "Let's hear it for preexisting conditions!" -- really?

I realize this is not responsive to whether or not she's hated because she's a woman. I just think it's time for a new speaker with charisma and who knows how to better message to the public.

Adder

11-07-2018 01:48 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 519302)

It's a lot more than that. I hear some of the most virulent hate for Pelosi come from other women.

Women are not immune to misogyny.

Tyrone Slothrop

11-07-2018 01:55 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.

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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 519308)

I can accept a speaker who is effective at being a speaker but who does not have charisma and does not message well to the public. Other people should do those things. The Republicans are always going to find someone to vilify. If not Pelosi, then Soros, etc. I'm not convinced that anyone who hates Pelosi is otherwise inclined to vote for Democrats -- the causation runs the other way.

Icky Thump

11-07-2018 02:05 PM

Re: God damn it.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 519306)

It is all genetic programming. We are genetically programmed to form tribes for safety -- which winds up creating hate for the other tribes. Why Boston fans hate Yankee fans.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-07-2018 02:22 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.

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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 519308)

Agreed on both counts, great Speaker, not great communicator.

For me the question on speaker is who do you have in mind? Every candidate has pros and cons, and I don't see anyone running against her who would be any better. I do see some pretty junior Congressionals who I think will be ready before too long.

On the other hand, I can think of about a dozen Senators I think would do better than Schumer, most of them ambitious enough and seasoned enough to run if they saw an opening.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

11-07-2018 02:23 PM

Re: God damn it.

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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 519311)

It is all genetic programming. We are genetically programmed to form tribes for safety -- which winds up creating hate for the other tribes. Why Boston fans hate Yankee fans.

Well, that and the fact that the Yankees Suck (objectively speaking).

Tyrone Slothrop

11-07-2018 03:00 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.

Sessions out.

ThurgreedMarshall

11-07-2018 03:04 PM

Re: God damn it.

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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 519311)

It is all genetic programming. We are genetically programmed to form tribes for safety -- which winds up creating hate for the other tribes. Why Boston fans hate Yankee fans.

Actually, they hate us because of our championships.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall

11-07-2018 03:06 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 519312)

This guy:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...Yl_400x400.jpg

TM

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