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Hank Chinaski 11-12-2018 11:15 AM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 519415)
...Feel the breeze.

it was meta.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-12-2018 11:37 AM

Re: For Ty
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 519411)
You asked me for a decent outline of Lukainoff's and Haidt's book. I offered what I thought were decent ones which covered the main arguments of the book. Here's a much better one: https://quillette.com/2018/10/14/mor...oned-critique/

Pardon the framing of the piece, to the extent it responds to a less than stellar critique of the book by someone named Weigel. I think it still gets the outlined main ideas of the book across.

Nothing in that review -- the brief description of the big ideas in the book, the critique by this Weigel person, the response to the critique -- says anything useful, as far as I can tell. The Great Untruths are hard to argue with, but the idea that they capture something important about the way some set of people is thinking -- that seems silly.

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In the book, we outline three misguided principles (“Great Untruths”) that form the foundation of the new moral culture we are seeing on some college campuses:

The Untruth of Fragility: What doesn’t kill you makes you weaker.
The Untruth of Emotional Reasoning: Always trust your feelings.
The Untruth of Us Versus Them: Life is a battle between good people and evil people.

We also trace six explanatory threads—cultural trends and practices that explain why this new moral culture, which we call “safetyism,” seemed to emerge so rapidly between 2013 and 2015:

Rising teen depression and anxiety.
The damaging effects of overprotection and social media.
The loss of play in childhood.
The polarization of the country.
New ideas about justice.
The bureaucratization of higher education.
It's not that any of this is wrong, it's that it feels manufactured and irrelevant.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-12-2018 12:19 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 519416)
it was meta.

I'd analogize it to Dave Parker flailing at a slider and falling down on home plate.

(Maybe that's a bit harsh.)

Tyrone Slothrop 11-12-2018 12:28 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
Heh.

Hank Chinaski 11-12-2018 12:56 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 519419)

so? that's like me confusing GGG and Sgt. Club. Maybe I should know the difference, but also rans in my dusty rearview all look the same.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-12-2018 01:59 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 519420)
so? that's like me confusing GGG and Sgt. Club. Maybe I should know the difference, but also rans in my dusty rearview all look the same.

He thought the Canadians burned the White House: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44394156

And he thinks if you exercise, you shorten your life by expending more quickly a finite store of energy: https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/15/polit...ise/index.html

Hank Chinaski 11-12-2018 05:34 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 519421)

And he thinks if you exercise, you shorten your life by expending more quickly a finite store of energy: https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/15/polit...ise/index.html

I've heard T say basically the exact same thing to explain the weight gain; first connection we can make to tie him to Trump's bandwagon?

ThurgreedMarshall 11-13-2018 04:16 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 519422)
I've heard T say basically the exact same thing to explain the weight gain; first connection we can make to tie him to Trump's bandwagon?

Maybe it's me, but I really don't get your sense of humor. I don't even know what this means.

TM

Icky Thump 11-13-2018 08:51 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 519423)
Maybe it's me, but I really don't get your sense of humor. I don't even know what this means.

TM

It isn't you.

Hank Chinaski 11-13-2018 10:02 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 519424)
It isn't you.

I’m an enigma?

Hank Chinaski 11-14-2018 09:40 AM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
I was musing that one could tie Andy Kaufman to President Trump, like maybe Andy IS alive? I googled to see if they have ever been photographed together- no photos, but Newsweek had published the same riff a few years ago. I do IP- I know nothing is ever 100% new, still it hurts to see this was derivative.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-14-2018 11:16 AM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 519426)
I was musing that one could tie Andy Kaufman to President Trump, like maybe Andy IS alive? I googled to see if they have ever been photographed together- no photos, but Newsweek had published the same riff a few years ago. I do IP- I know nothing is ever 100% new, still it hurts to see this was derivative.

Have you tried using “Tony Clifton”? That’d be the alter ego suited to a meeting with Trump, no?

I think Tony even loved pro wrestling.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-14-2018 11:18 AM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 519424)
It isn't you.

Srsly? How could you both miss that joke?

Tyrone Slothrop 11-14-2018 03:33 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
Good for Fox News for supporting CNN's lawsuit over Acosta.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-14-2018 05:23 PM

Re: We are all Slave now.
 
Among the three-fourths of Americans who are NOT white evangelicals, Democrats won 66/32.

https://twitter.com/ed_kilgore/statu...20439817252864


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