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dtb 09-28-2005 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Southern Patriot
Good to see you've got my back, but I didn't see you in Church on Sunday. We prayed to God that he would smote the homosexuals, the bi-sexuals, the metrosexuals and all the other sexuals, yankees and liberals out there and bring forth a plague on their homes. Good Times!
Hmmm. I don't think he got the message. Either that, or he got the address wrong. Then again there probably are a few yankees and liberals in TX, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama -- but being God and all, you think He'd go for a higher-percentage shot by smiting the yankees where most of them live.

Southern Patriot 09-28-2005 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by dtb
Hmmm. I don't think he got the message. Either that, or he got the address wrong. Then again there probably are a few yankees and liberals in TX, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama -- but being God and all, you think He'd go for a higher-percentage shot by smiting the yankees where most of them live.
The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Excuse me now, I have to go pay $50 to some Texans for a bit of gas so I can drive to my brokers and talk about a bit more of that there Hallibruton stock.

And, Ma'am, may I ask if you have been to New Orleans?

futbol fan 09-28-2005 12:19 PM

no mas
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I won't argue with you all anymore on whether there is bias in the MSM. But if you have the ability to question, read this:
http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_s..._a_photograph/
Foul words, Palestinian flags, marshals and bandanas at an anti-war march? Absolutely shocking. Until I saw all that context, I thought that kid with the bandana on in the original photo was part of the Campus Republicans on her way to a fundraising tea. You can't pull the wool over our eyes, MSM!

If you really find this kind of stuff illuminating you should get out more.

Gattigap 09-28-2005 01:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I won't argue with you all anymore on whether there is bias in the MSM. But if you have the ability to question, read this:
http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_s..._a_photograph/
Feh. I liked Jon Stewart's demolition of the protests much better.

For a written critique, even the liberals hated it, apparently. Says James Wolcott:
  • I only lasted about ten minutes watching the rally on C-SPAN, which made Stepford Wives selling Christmas kitsch on QVC--no fooling, at QVC the "Christmas Countdown" has already begun--must-see viewing by comparison. Here are the problems with mass rallies and marches on TV.

    1) They all look alike. They're interchangeable pedestrian jams. If you didn't know what year it was, you wouldn't have known whether this demo was taking place in 2003 or 2004 or spring of 2005, because apart from Cindy Sheehan and a few others, it was the same cast of characters you always get at these protest smorgasbords, which remind me of WBAI at its most doctrinaire PC, where every faction and caucus has to be represented and heard no matter how boring or splintery or tangential to the event they are. What you get is an event that seems to have been exhumed from a time capsule buried in some aging ponytailed radical's back yard.

    ***

    2) The scale is all wrong for TV.

    To be heard before thousands of gatherers, speakers feel they have to shout into the mike and every every phrase sound STENTORIAN. But for the larger audience at home, it's like being harangued, and who wants to be harangued, especially by speakers pounding you with played-out slogans? And no matter how large the crowd, on TV it looks like congested clutter, a sea of tiny, ugly billboards. It really doesn't help that so many of the signs are homemade and hackneyed. As the camera panned over the crowd yesterday, I saw placards featuring Mumia and Malcolm X, and I thought, What have they got to do with what's happening now in Iraq? The placards looked as dated as punk Mohawks in the East Village, and watching protesters wave them around as if they were in the studio audience trying to get Monty Hall's attention on Let's Make a Deal didn't help.

Replaced_Texan 09-28-2005 01:47 PM

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Top banner of CNN.com: BREAKING NEWS House Majority Leader Tom DeLay indicted on one count of criminal conspiracy by Texas grand jury, according to Travis County clerk's office.

Shape Shifter 09-28-2005 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Top banner of CNN.com: BREAKING NEWS House Majority Leader Tom DeLay indicted on one count of criminal conspiracy by Texas grand jury, according to Travis County clerk's office.
Woooo hooooo!!!

robustpuppy 09-28-2005 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Top banner of CNN.com: BREAKING NEWS House Majority Leader Tom DeLay indicted on one count of criminal conspiracy by Texas grand jury, according to Travis County clerk's office.
Does his full name -- Tom Motherfucking Delay -- appear on the indictment?;)

Shape Shifter 09-28-2005 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Does his full name -- Tom Motherfucking Delay -- appear on the indictment?;)
Nice. Politics of personal destruction.


Couldn't happen to a more deserving person.

Fair and Equitable 09-28-2005 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Top banner of CNN.com: BREAKING NEWS House Majority Leader Tom DeLay indicted on one count of criminal conspiracy by Texas grand jury, according to Travis County clerk's office.
Let me guess, you think Ronnie Earle is an objective and honest politician with no underlying partisan motivation.

Southern Patriot 09-28-2005 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Fair and Equitable
Let me guess, you think Ronnie Earle is an objective and honest politician with no underlying partisan motivation.
It's not just the liberal yankee politicans. It's also the damn grand juries.

They've gone down hill ever since we started letting people without significant property sit on them.

Shape Shifter 09-28-2005 02:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Fair and Equitable
Let me guess, you think Ronnie Earle is an objective and honest politician with no underlying partisan motivation.
Ronnie Earle has indicted Democrats and Republicans alike.

SlaveNoMore 09-28-2005 02:34 PM

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Replaced_Texan
Top banner of CNN.com: BREAKING NEWS House Majority Leader Tom DeLay indicted on one count of criminal conspiracy by Texas grand jury, according to Travis County clerk's office.
What's that old line concerning a grand jury and a ham sandwich?

sebastian_dangerfield 09-28-2005 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by Fair and Equitable
Let me guess, you think Ronnie Earle is an objective and honest politician with no underlying partisan motivation.
No, Earle is clearly trying to ride this harpooned whale into bigger office. He's doing exaclty what Delay would have done in his shoes. Live by the sword...

Tom Delay is learning that its hard to cover your own ass when you spend 24 hrs of every day looking for other people’s asses to fuck. People like Rove and Delay spend so much time on offense that they can’t afford even the slightest fuck up. There’s a new crop of these scumbags emerging every year, and every one of them thinks he’ll be the first to be able to fuck everyone without payback. Sooner or later, they all slip somewhere, and the list of enemies swarms in to give them a lube-free screwing. So, you’re right, this is partisan... but it also happens to be perfect justice.

Southern Patriot 09-28-2005 02:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What's that old line concerning a grand jury and a ham sandwich?
I must take offense. Are you calling DeLay a pig?

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 09-28-2005 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What's that old line concerning a grand jury and a ham sandwich?
I had no idea Mama Cass ever served on a grand jury.

Fair and Equitable 09-28-2005 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No, Earle is clearly trying to ride this harpooned whale into bigger office. He's doing exaclty what Delay would have done in his shoes. Live by the sword...
Considering he's held the same position since 1976, he's not doing a very good job of it.

Shape Shifter 09-28-2005 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No, Earle is clearly trying to ride this harpooned whale into bigger office. He's doing exaclty what Delay would have done in his shoes. Live by the sword...
Dissent. Earle seems pretty happy where he is.

http://www.ronnieearle.com/bio.html

sebastian_dangerfield 09-28-2005 02:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What's that old line concerning a grand jury and a ham sandwich?
Doesn’t matter - now that he’s lost the post, the crowd of people waiting to take him down will keep him down and battle to get it themselves. Tom’s got no allies - just skeletons to sell. Bush doesn’t even help the guy. Delay is the “wet operations” agent who gets left behind to die.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-28-2005 02:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Dissent. Earle seems pretty happy where he is.

http://www.ronnieearle.com/bio.html
Well, then why the fuck does he want to get into this firefight?

baltassoc 09-28-2005 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Well, then why the fuck does he want to get into this firefight?
Maybe he just hates America.

Shape Shifter 09-28-2005 02:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Fair and Equitable
Considering he's held the same position since 1976, he's not doing a very good job of it.
I'll let Earle answer in his own words:

"The thinly veiled personal attacks on me by Mr. DeLay's supporters in this case are no different from those in the cases of any of the 15 elected officials this office has prosecuted in my 27-year tenure. Most of these officials - 12 Democrats and three Republicans - have accused me of having political motives. What else are they going to say?

For most of my tenure the Democrats held the power in state government. Now Republicans do. Most crimes by elected officials involve the abuse of power; you have to have power before you can abuse it."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/23/op...gin&oref=login

Secret_Agent_Man 09-28-2005 02:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Top banner of CNN.com: BREAKING NEWS House Majority Leader Tom DeLay indicted on one count of criminal conspiracy by Texas grand jury, according to Travis County clerk's office.
I'd be happy with probation, but it would be nice if he had to sit in a holding cell before he was booked.

S_A_M

Secret_Agent_Man 09-28-2005 02:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Fair and Equitable
Let me guess, you think Ronnie Earle is an objective and honest politician with no underlying partisan motivation.
Why would you bother to hide behind a 15 post per year sock for this post?

S_A_M

Sidd Finch 09-28-2005 02:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I'll let Earle answer in his own words:

"The thinly veiled personal attacks on me by Mr. DeLay's supporters in this case are no different from those in the cases of any of the 15 elected officials this office has prosecuted in my 27-year tenure. Most of these officials - 12 Democrats and three Republicans - have accused me of having political motives. What else are they going to say?

For most of my tenure the Democrats held the power in state government. Now Republicans do. Most crimes by elected officials involve the abuse of power; you have to have power before you can abuse it."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/23/op...gin&oref=login
Well put.

baltassoc 09-28-2005 03:11 PM

The indictment is - unfortunately - weak with regard to Delay. No allegations of Delay himself performing an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy:

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/images/0...indictment.pdf

Pretty solid as to his co-conspirators, however. If one of them rolls over, Delay could be toast.

Spanky 09-28-2005 03:13 PM

Delay = RINO
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I would not put this on the list of things about which I am outraged. I brought it up this time because it was topical.
Don't make me go searching for the quotes. You were using it as a point to critisize Bush and it was very important for you that I acknowledge that it was true. You kept bringing it up, and kept criticising me because I would not acknowledge it as fact.

It was not some neutral statement you brought up as "topical".

Spanky 09-28-2005 03:17 PM

Delay
 
My fundraising just got a whole lot easier. I don't know RT, don't count us out. We just may take him out in the primary.

Replaced_Texan 09-28-2005 03:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Fair and Equitable
Let me guess, you think Ronnie Earle is an objective and honest politician with no underlying partisan motivation.
Yes. He's prosecuted just as many if not more Democrats as Republicans.

Plus, he's not sitting on the Grand Jury.

ETA: STP

Replaced_Texan 09-28-2005 03:32 PM

Delay
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
My fundraising just got a whole lot easier. I don't know RT, don't count us out. We just may take him out in the primary.
With Fjetland?

taxwonk 09-28-2005 03:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Fair and Equitable
Let me guess, you think Ronnie Earle is an objective and honest politician with no underlying partisan motivation.
Who cares. Tom Delay is an evil, ignorant, maanipulative, sleazy, lying, hypocritical motherfucker who deserves to be a congressman about as much as my dog.

Anything that brings hims down is an act worthy of sainthood, no matter the motive.

taxwonk 09-28-2005 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Southern Patriot
I must take offense. Are you calling DeLay a pig?
I can't speak for Slave, but what have you got against pigs, Cracker?

baltassoc 09-28-2005 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Who cares. Tom Delay is an evil, ignorant, maanipulative, sleazy, lying, hypocritical motherfucker who deserves to be a congressman about as much as my dog.
Is your dog yellow?

taxwonk 09-28-2005 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
Is your dog yellow?
Blue.

Gattigap 09-28-2005 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
Is your dog yellow?
$5 donated to LT in the name of the poster who creates the "Wonk's Dog" sock and replies:


"Who you callin' yella, mister?"

baltassoc 09-28-2005 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Blue.
Huh. Never figured you to take in a social conservative like that. I'd've figured you more for a DLC type, myself.

Southern Patriot 09-28-2005 03:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I can't speak for Slave, but what have you got against pigs, Cracker?
I've got nothing against pigs. I just don't think Tom DeLay bears any resemblance:

http://mjreilly.dyndns.org/catch/delay_pig.jpg

Maybe a hog.

Dolly Llama 09-28-2005 03:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
Who cares. Tom Delay is an evil, ignorant, maanipulative, sleazy, lying, hypocritical motherfucker who deserves to be a congressman about as much as my dog.

Anything that brings hims down is an act worthy of sainthood, no matter the motive.
Your soul is a deep, dark place. You need to purge the anger and clense your soul.

Only when you yourself are at peace, can you truly see the good in others and in all of us.

taxwonk 09-28-2005 04:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by baltassoc
Huh. Never figured you to take in a social conservative like that. I'd've figured you more for a DLC type, myself.
I've got a big tent. And it's pitched under a massive overpass.

paigowprincess 09-28-2005 04:36 PM

I know Spanky doesn't want to hear this
 
But I just found this in my inbox. My dad is sending me Canadian Republican Propaganda. Should I start sending him Daily Show clips in Spanish?

A VIEW FROM CANADA
Perhaps a bit more objectivity than we get from our own press and politicians.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George Bush, The Man.

By David Warren The Ottawa Citizen Sunday, September 11, 2005.



There's plenty wrong with America, since you asked. I'm tempted to say that the only difference from Canada is that they have a few things right. That would be unfair, of course -- I am often pleased to discover things we still get right.



But one of them would not be disaster preparation. If something happened up here, on the scale of Katrina, we wouldn't even have the resources to arrive late. We would be waiting for the Americans to come save us, the same way the government in Louisiana just waved and pointed at Washington, D.C. The theory being that, when you're in real trouble, that's where the adults live.



And that isn't an exaggeration. Almost everything that has worked in the recovery operation along the U.S. Gulf Coast has been military and National Guard. Within a few days, under several commands, finally consolidated under the remarkable Lt.-Gen. Russel Honore, it was once again the U.S. military efficiently cobbling together a recovery operation on a scale beyond the capacity of any other earthly institution.



We hardly have a military up here. We have elected one feckless government after another that has cut corners until there is nothing substantial left. We don't have the ability even to transport and equip our few soldiers. Should disaster strike at home, on a big scale, we become a Third World country. At which point, our national smugness is of no avail.



From Democrats and the American Left -- the U.S. equivalent to the people who run Canada -- we are still hearing that the disaster in New Orleans showed that a heartless, white Republican America had abandoned its underclass.



This is garbage. The great majority of those not evacuated lived in assisted housing and receive food stamps, prescription medicine and government support through many other programs. Many have, all their lives, expected someone to lift them to safety, without input from themselves. And the demagogic mayor they elected left, quite literally, hundreds of transit and school buses that could have driven them out of town parked in rows, to be lost in the flood.



Yes, that was insensitive. But it is also the truth; and sooner or later we must acknowledge that welfare dependency creates exactly the sort of haplessness and social degeneration we saw on display, as the floodwaters rose. Many suffered terribly, and many died, and one's heart goes out. But already the survivors are being put up in new accommodations, and their various entitlements have been directed to new locations.



The scale of private charity has also been unprecedented. There are yet no statistics, but I'll wager the most generous state in the union will prove to have been arch-Republican Texas and that, nationally, contributions in cash and kind are coming disproportionately from people who vote Republican. For the world divides into "the mouths" and "the wallets."



The Bush-bashing, both down there and up here, has so far lost touch with reality, as to raise questions about the bashers' state of mind.



Consult any authoritative source on how government works in the United States and you will learn that the U.S. federal government's legal, constitutional, and institutional responsibility for first response to Katrina, as to any natural disaster, was zero.



Notwithstanding, President Bush took the prescient step of declaring a disaster, in order to begin deploying FEMA and other federal assets, two full days in advance of the stormfall. In the little time since, he has managed to co-ordinate an immense recovery operation -- the largest in human history -- without invoking martial powers. He has been sufficiently presidential to respond, not even once, to the extraordinarily mendacious and childish blame-throwing.



One thinks of Kipling's poem If, which I learned to recite as a lad, and mention now in the full knowledge that it drives postmodern leftoids and gliberals to apoplexy -- as anything that is good, beautiful, or true:



If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you; If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise,..... And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

Tyrone Slothrop 09-28-2005 04:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Ronnie Earle has indicted Democrats and Republicans alike.
12 Democratic office holders and 4 Republicans, according to a journalist just interviewed on NPR's Talk of the Nation.

eta: STSTP


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