LawTalkers - Waiting for Fitzgerald

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Sen. Edward M Kennedy, D-Mass., said the indictment marked a "signifying a new low since Watergate in terms of openness and honesty in our government."

Also this low is above the low of a post-watergate US President who presents a false affidavit to a federal judge in a civil suit against the President in order to influence the judge's ruling on a material issue.

Also this low is above the low of a post-watergate US President who lies under oath during a deposition in a federal lawsuit.

How is lying to a grand jury not worse?

taxwonk

10-29-2005 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I am talking about the Rs who have the moral clarity to support a culture of life, anti-bias and the UMC, i.e. people who understand racism, rape, state sanctioned murder are wrong and intolerable.

Racism as in a blanket condemnation of Islam?

Rape as in accepting unproven allegations as the truth to smear people who are not accused of the act?

Anti-bias as in accepting that if lying under oath is wrong, then lying under oath is wrong?

Universal Moral Code as in lying under oath is wrong, whether it's Bill Clinton or Scooter Libby?

Fucking hypocrite.

taxwonk

10-29-2005 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Doesn't the highness of the office of the liar factor in? Every admin has had at least someone busted for lying.

We are a nation of laws, not men. The office is completely irrelevant.

Hank Chinaski

10-29-2005 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
We are a nation of laws, not men. The office is completely irrelevant.

Your post supports Penske's craziest "dem's are all apologists" rant. Go play catch with your kids or something, and stop this.

SlaveNoMore

10-29-2005 04:02 PM

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taxwonk
How is lying to a grand jury not worse?

How is it different?

taxwonk

10-29-2005 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
How is it different?

That was sort of my point.

Diane_Keaton

10-29-2005 06:46 PM

Anyone care to.....

...pool resources and buy his little bunny ass?

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Diane_Keaton

10-29-2005 08:52 PM

Okay, I am....

really really really really drunk. And dressed like an Easter Bunny (fucking Halloween parties) and a sweaty Betty. And I'm going to keep posting photos of bunnies until someone else drunk on here fucking talks to me!!!!!!

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Diane_Keaton

10-29-2005 08:53 PM

Um kay, then

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Diane_Keaton

10-29-2005 09:08 PM

G'Night

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Secret_Agent_Man

10-30-2005 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Hmmmm, is that a defence of our radical Islamic enemy I detect?

No, that is a defense of American ideals and American values -- Ronnie's "shining city on a hill" -- the so-called "myth of American exceptionalism" which we were all brought up to believe.

I would have thought you still believed -- you squawk like it.

S_A_M

Hank Chinaski

10-30-2005 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
No, that is a defense of American ideals and American values -- Ronnie's "shining city on a hill" -- the so-called "myth of American exceptionalism" which we were all brought up to believe.

I would have thought you still believed -- you squawk like it.

S_A_M

Funny time!

I saw a George Carlin special on HBO, and he was revitalized. He was doing politics and seemed way younger and more alive than when I had last seen him.

He was companing about how the government is out of hand on abortion and was crazy into censoring TV and radio. He felt the administration was chopping into our personal freedoms left and right, and starting wars for no reason. I thought "well it's not original or funny, but at least he's coherent again."

Then he mentioned Reagan. Turns out the show was from the 80s. You guys are so clueless and blinder-visioned, that you just throw out the same tired complaints regardless of whether they make any sense at all.

Anyways, I was glad I wasn't on your side of the debate because if I was I'd have to admit how trite and basically empty in truth and value my entire political belief system had become.

Do you ever get bothered, or do you not ask yourself hard questions?

taxwonk

10-30-2005 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Anyways, I was glad I wasn't on your side of the debate because if I was I'd have to admit how trite and basically empty in truth and value my entire political belief system had become.

Do you ever get bothered, or do you not ask yourself hard questions?

Every so often, I wonder what life would be like if I were a sociopath, utterly without compassion or concern for the welfare of anyone other than myself, dedicated to the sole proposition of preserving a level of privilege for myself.

Then I remember I'm a democrat, and I feel human again.

Hank Chinaski

10-30-2005 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Every so often, I wonder what life would be like if I were a sociopath, utterly without compassion or concern for the welfare of anyone other than myself, dedicated to the sole proposition of preserving a level of privilege for myself.

Then I remember I'm a democrat, and I feel human again.

Right! So you saw the show too?

Secret_Agent_Man

10-30-2005 08:40 PM

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I ask myself a number of hard questions, and I get bothered quite often.

You might not like my answers, or might come to a different conclusion if you possessed the desire or ability to engage in such an analysis, but you have no reason to think otherwise.

S_A_M

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