Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 512818)

If the Democrats take back the House in November, a lot of things will change.

eta: This seems like a really important question: Suppose that Mueller gets fired before November, and/or the investigation is ended by someone senior to him. The Democrats then retake Congress. Can congressional subpoenas obtain the fruits of Mueller's investigations, or can someone at DOJ keep the lid on? It feels to me like that is the constitutional crisis we are heading for, after the one where Mueller gets canned and a GOP Congress doesn't do anything about it.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 512785)

He did kneecap her in a lot of ways. After Super-Tuesday, when he was done, he played for the Hail Mary and ground her down, piggybacked off of all the Republican attacks, so she took the same total BS from both the right and the self-described left. He did things like gutted her ability to make Trump's tax returns an issue the way Romney's had been, by refusing to release his own.

Hillary lost by little enough so that it's easy to find things done differently that might have won it. But Bernie and the third party vote that resulted from his BS are a big piece of it.

Was Hillary the Dem's best candidate? Probably not, but the only test we've got are the primary/caucus process. Interestingly, the person who has done the most to make sure that process sees no material change is Bernie, who may be the beneficiary of it's biases next time.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 512820)

Do you realize the percentage of gov employees who vote D? Your #1 core value is you never spite a gov employee. You really don't know this?

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 512789)

populism turned the Democratic blue collar vote in the Rust Belt for Trump (because those folks liked Bernie’s candor, but couldn’t vote for a “communist.”)

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 512823)

Don't lecture Sebby about why hil lost. Sebby is by far in a better position than any of us to know why 200000 3rd party voters in both Mi and Pa couldn't vote for her.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 512825)

oh-oh, maybe I'm wrong about sebby's insight.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 512806)

Trump ran on "Every 'True' American Gets a Pony."

Bernie ran on "Everybody Gets a Pony."

If it gets any simpler than that, it's spoken in grunts and clicks.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 512811)

Agree (except for Florida, which Dems should always win). But if you don't think those places are set to vote against Republicans already, you're crazy.

You actually are insane. All of the states (other than IN and NC, which each went for Obama in 2008) I named voted for a black man in the previous election cycle. If you think they're lost, you shouldn't be listened to when it comes to politics.

TM

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 512829)

Michigan would not have been won by hil if only we'd known Trumo was against DACA. Hell, we have the biggest Arab population outside the middle east and sizable hispanic population and the fuck won here.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 512811)

You actually are insane. All of the states (other than IN and NC, which each went for Obama in 2008) I named voted for a black man in the previous election cycle. If you think they're lost, you shouldn't be listened to when it comes to politics.

TM

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 512831)

I did not say those places are lost. I said the white working class there is lost.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 512812)

Sure they can. Kennedy had those votes. Bill Clinton had those votes.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 512830)

You have to be kidding me. With his stance on immigration, anyone who thought he wouldn't go after DACA shouldn't be allowed to tie their own shoes.

TM

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 512834)

Adder is off the rails as to how most people think.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 512835)

I'm not talking about how most people think. I'm talking about how you get a big wave of latinx turnout for your side, as opposed to encouraging the marginal latinx voter to stay home.

You're going to need other things for other voters, but you can't shoot yourself in the foot with any of the groups you need.