Re: Immigration
 

I don’t know if that’s a crime. That’s a matter for the crim code. But as I said, I don’t think it is. If it were, we’d have heard of it.

Re: Immigration
 

Some people may say that, but no one believes it.

Re: Immigration
 

For someone who says he's bothered by tribalism on both sides, you're bothered by the suggestion that Jews vote for Democrats but not -- as far as I can tell -- by the suggestion that white working-class men in Rust Bowl states who voted for Trump. 'Cause many of them voted for Hillary. Why so selective in your both-sidesism?

Re: Immigration
 

Hey!

TM

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Manafort, whom you think shrewd, got himself indicted. If he's the shrewdest of the bunch, Mueller may be like those Air Force pilots who caught the Iraqi army fleeing from Kuwait City in the first Gulf War, operating in what you'd call a target-rich environment. And that's why you think Trump wasn't involved?

Re: Immigration
 

Since they are working for him I am pretty sure that if he knows what they're doing and lets it continue, it's on him. But I don't know if it's a crime either. OTOH, you were the one saying that you didn't think a crime had been committed, so I leaped to the apparently rash assumption that you had a view about what would constitute a crime in this context. I personally wouldn't say someone hasn't done x if I don't know what x is, but I guess I'm just granular that way. I also assume that Mueller knows things that haven't become public yet, in part because my read is that he is running a tight ship and is not leaking, and that the leaks are largely coming from Trumpworld denizens trying to stab each other in the back. (For example, TPM has a post up suggesting that Bannon is a key source for the recent story about Hope Hicks. I don't doubt it. Javanka also know how to leak.)

Re: Immigration
 

Believing what you say isn't relevant anymore. Whatever Hannity repeats is all that matters.

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Speaking of Hope, there is no dumber phrase than "the emails will never come out."

Kinda sums up how the whole group is just not remotely up to the job. They don't even know what they don't know and are fucking up.

Re: Immigration
 

Par for this particular course.

Re: Immigration
 

Because Little John told me, and he always tells the truth.

(Send this word casserole back. It’s not fully baked yet.)

Re: Immigration
 

If collusion were a crime, the operative section would have been on every pundit’s lips for the last year. Mueller’s findings may be secret. What is chargeable couldn’t be more public.

Re: Immigration
 

I will put it differently. Any desire you have for granularity runs only in one direction. When you come here and complain that people don't appreciate all the Jews who vote for Trump, and then post about the stupid things "the Left" believes, you sound like you are trolling and like you sympathize with the Right. If that's not the impression you're trying to create, you're doing it wrong.

Re: Immigration
 

Thank you for acknowledging that you are aggregating pundits' views.

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I think espionage is a crime, but regardless of whether he was obstructing justice only to avoid embarrassment and not his own personal criminal behavior, I'd be surprised if obstruction is the only thing Mueller finds. There will certainly be dirty money dealings. The question is whether they will have happened after he was a candidate or even in office.

I'm prepared to learn from the GOP how money laundering before being sworn in isn't impeachable, though.

Re: Immigration
 

Your spin. I accuse both the Right and the Left of using a meat cleaver where a scalpel is warranted.

Yes, you are correct, however. In doing so, I am generalizing a bit myself.

I don't have serious sympathies about candidates or parties. I disliked certain things about Obama and liked others. I dislike most things about Trump, but can see a few decent things (most accidental).

It only seems I'm being overly-critical of the Left because almost everyone here shares the same Left-leaning sympathies. Hank and Less might be the only ones currently posting who hold some contrarian opinions on the current political situation.

This place is Left. That cannot be argued.

I'm not trolling. I sincerely believe we should assess all things in a manner where one credits the useful and decries the bad. My party versus yours, my identity versus yours... These aren't useful. Looking at things with a purely relativist and subjective eye, identifying with nothing but what you think are good policies, and resisting only what's bad -- this is a much more productive way to approach everything.