How to control gang violence.
 

I'm guessing Hello will be interested in this. Not so much to debate here -- just how to do the hard work of law enforcement.

Wilson lied?
 

So the debate has now shifted from Wilson Didn't Lie to OK Wilson Lied, But So What? Sound familiar anybody?

Wilson lied?
 

(1) I never said he didn't lie -- I wasn't sure what he said, so I asked for his alleged lies. I don't recall getting an answer, so I found my own.

(2) I did the "so what?" post days ago, as I recall. I don't recall that you had a good answer, either.

Wilson lied?
 

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Wilson lied?
 

Slave: Wilson lied.

Me: Oh?

Slave: Sho' nuff.

Me: If that's lying, Bush isn't looking so hot.

Slave: [nada]

Slave: Something responding to what I said to club.

Me: So he lied; so what?

Wilson lied?
 

Right. I point out articles that he lied, and you finally concede the fact when one of your guys concedes the point.

And so what - the What is that it finally lays to rest the claims of a spotlight-stealing blowhard for the left.

Wilson lied?
 

I don't recall that the articles you linked to ever pointed to a prior inconsistent statement, which was all I was asking for. (Apologies if I missed it.)

But if it makes you happy that people are taking Wilson down, that's fine with me, since I couldn't be bothered to buy his book and think it won't do the cause of truth and justice any harm.

as the fringe turns
 

Stick with the fat jokes.

Wilson lied?
 

Go back and search the old thread, Slave and I have exhausted ourselves posting on this.

The "so what" is important because it is Wilson that raised the 16 word issue, which I submit was the spark that set the "Bush Lied" crowd ablaze.

I have no problem with you or anyone else criticizing the president's policies. That is fair game, though I think the rhetoric should be toned down a notch when it comes to foreign policy. But this "Bush Lied" shit was WAY over the top, and I believe has harmed our efforts abroad.

Wilson lied?
 

The only "lie" he's been caught in so far is about how he received the assignment to investigate the claims. You haven't explained how this is a lie as opposed to a reasonable difference of opinion as to characterization. And you haven't explained how this affects the credibility of his claims (or, more importantly, the credibility of W's claims).

His wife was in the CIA, the CIA was looking for people with experience in the field and in the subject matter. Are you proposing a wall that separates what undercover CIA operatives learn in their peronals lives from their professional ones?

All you have done is call someone with a distinguished reord in foreign service a lying partisan hack. Go ahead. That meshes perfectly well with the style of stormtrooper, focus group oriented politics currently practiced by the Republican party. The intelligent voter is tired of this talking points bullshit.

So you still think Wilson lied about the details of how he came to the attention of the CIA? It's not like he deliberately misled a nation to whip them up into a fear-fueled frenzy for an ill-advised war or anything. Get some fucking perspective. Those of us who bought into the pre-war rhetoric (and that's all it turned out to be) because we were sure the administration knew something we didn't feel like we're left standing naked with panties on our heads and Lynndie just took our last cowby killer.

Wilson lied?
 

W's lying has hurt us more than the criticism of his lying.

How to control gang violence (& more on the Allawi rumors!)
 

Not sure how the New Zealand press will report this, but AP has more on the (perhaps) mythology being created for Mssr. Allawi.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._the_strongman

How to control gang violence.
 

I'll add that I don't have any problems with what the guy wrote. The "smart" allocation of resources is what the NYPD started doing. Before that, it was just basically fixed allocations (foot units way back when) or an even worse Pavlovian allocation (mobile response units).

In terms of what seems most likely for the future, his point about the relatively small number of "shooters" in the criminal culture is very important. Boston's youth profiling project showed amazing results, way back when, in identifying the most likely shooters and providing long term counseling etc.

The bottom line for me is that none of that stuff is possible without good leadership, and its been sorely lacking in many places.

Hello

Wilson lied?
 

so far you guys haven't proven any Bush "lies." but club and slave are now 1-0, or .5-0 Ty, did you lose 2 separate fights, or was that a tag team?

Wilson lied?
 

You need a good Colonel Jessup speech right about now.