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yes. the 30% that felt bush stole the election, that thought the war was wrong and was to get oil for Cheney.

everyone else realizes that it's shit that needs to happen- even if some of it shouldn't, in retrospect. it is a practical necessity.

What's funniest to me (and i am pro abortion rights) is that the libs bring up legal arguments to say we shouldn't torture terrorists when the torture could save lives- article 5 of the blah blah blah would be impacted- yet those same people argue that abortion is a practical necessity w/o ever admitting the legal support is shakier than anything Bush has rasied to justify detainee treatment.

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outside my home? yes. on occasion. I'll eat at a non-kosher restaurant.

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Spicy Puerto Rican sausage?

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outside my home? yes. on occasion. I'll eat at a non-kosher restaurant.

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Well, once again then, I'm proven factually inaccurate.

And thank you for bringing me to a new low. Generally, I'm wrong about things I know nothing about, but opine liberally on anyway. Being wrong on my own knowledge of people I know sets the bar that much lower...

But then, my life has been one long limbo up to this point, so I guess I shouldn't be shocked.

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I'm talking about historical view looking back (in 20 or 30 years), not current view.

I understand why as a general matter this stuff cannot be public. I think the Senate Intelligence Committee should know what is going on with the camps etc. and have some oversight. It is not my impression that they do currently, but I am not positive. Have not yet finished the WaPo article that started this discussion; it probably would flesh out the oversight issues for me.

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when i first meet my in-laws (food-wise non-observant), I was on aserious training diet and would not eat bacon (or pork). I had the pleaure of sitting at their home for breakfast, they having been told they can't make bacon because I don't eat it- and them hating me cuz I'm schot (dtb?). Next meal - kosher- honey baked corned beef. I get through the meal to coffee. "Hank, would you like cream?" Why, yes- but no thank you for that powder- I'm sorry I don't ingest. DO YOU HAVE MILK?" aaaaaarrrrghhhhh.
Hank fucking up again.

It's why I don't get bothered when dtb points out my typos. I'm used to Jesish women giving me constructive criticisms.

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• Black Democratic leaders in Maryland say that racially tinged attacks against Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele in his bid for the U.S. Senate are fair because he is a conservative Republican.
  
  Such attacks against the first black man to win a statewide election in Maryland include pelting him with Oreo cookies during a campaign appearance, calling him an "Uncle Tom" and depicting him as a black-faced minstrel on a liberal Web log.
  
  Operatives for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) also obtained a copy of his credit report -- the only Republican candidate so targeted.
  
  But black Democrats say there is nothing wrong with "pointing out the obvious."
  
  "There is a difference between pointing out the obvious and calling someone names," said a campaign spokesman for Kweisi Mfume, a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate and former president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
  
  State Sen. Lisa A. Gladden, a black Baltimore Democrat, said she does not expect her party to pull any punches, including racial jabs at Mr. Steele, in the race to replace retiring Democratic U.S. Sen. Paul S. Sarbanes.
  
  "Party trumps race, especially on the national level," she said. "If you are bold enough to run, you have to take whatever the voters are going to give you. It's democracy, perhaps at its worse, but it is democracy."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro...4932-4054r.htm

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FWIW, I think you undersell the long-term ramifications this will have on our foreign policy.

As for this story being out of the news, there was an article about the Guantanamo prisoners in yesterday's Washington Post. Link Here

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Did your grandpappy say the same thing in 1944 about the Japanese-Americans stuck into prison camps?

S_A_M

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WMDs. Now they are in Syria and Iran. Good thing we have such a convenient platform to launch the battles against those two terrorist states.

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Anymore or yet?

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How did they get from Iraq to Iran and Syria? Are you saying that our military allowed them to escape? Why are you badmouthing our troops?

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Dude, I have a news flash for you. As far as news stories go, the Japanese internment is just below the Plant/Page reunion tour of a few years ago.

It may be on your radar screen as a major historical matter, but to 99.9% of this country - and most of the rest of the world - its a "Eh, yeh, how bout that? That wasn't cool" kind of story.

It kinda got bulldozed over by that WWII story that was taking place at the same time. That seemed to get a bit more press.

But I'm sure your Japanese History 101 professor had it up there in the Top 5 of the 20th century. Maybe he even referred to it as "Our Own Holocaust." Just goes to prove you should never take anything seriously from a person we both know now probably owns a Segway.

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I understand you're still recovering from the pork thing, Seb, but this was a pretty weak effort.

S_A_M