Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

I don't think that's what the authors say:

What if we just extend H1-B visas to the sorts of parties he's talking about?

OK.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Thurgreed:

I wrote a lengthy reply to your thoughtful post at 8:00 a.m. I gather a glitch sent it in to the ether. I'll reply when I have an opportunity.

In the meantime, should Elizabeth Warren, of the High Cheekbones, offer to show the results of a "23 and me" DNA test if Commander in Chief Bone Spurs releases his tax returns? On the issue of whether one or both will show issues contrary to their proponents, I'll take the "over". And how long will the IRS take to finish its audit of the Trump Clan?

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Did I miss something? Is this deal on offer? If not, I'm confused about why you linked these two things together.

TM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

If Warren took a DNA test and it showed that she had Indian blood, I don't think it change a thing. Trump would keep calling her Pocahontas, and would pretend that it was about her exploiting that status for affirmative action gain. It's about belittling her as not having earned what she has accomplished and as a phony.

My father grew up with a similar sort of family history, except that it was more of untalked-about baggage than something discussed. He did a DNA test recently and it showed that he is about a quarter black and Native American (more the latter). After many, many hours with Ancestry.com and the like, he's still not sure who was passing, let alone whether they were ever registered with which tribe. IMO, it makes him authentically American. I really liked Warren's speech, from what I read of it.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Sebby, the cover story of The Weekly Standard was an examination of Universal Basic Income, and bonus points for you!! also discusses technology and machines supplanting humans.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-ca...rticle/2011427

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

ICYMI and AON, Michael Lewis's recent article is good.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

There's nothing excluding any employer from applying. But the people covered under H1B have to be college grads with special expertise and not impact US hiring (e.g., some showing of a shortage). There's no exception from minimum wage, no provision of housing in lieu of wage, which appears to be what they're talking about (and why this person is living in the Basement - where's atticus to discuss zoning implications), and I don't know, does W.Va. have a shortage of dog walkers?

Those who use H1Bs among my clients generally use them to spur growth - the H1Bs are creative technologists coming up with the IP on which business that hire a lot of people are built. Their program isn't about bright foreigners helping hire Americans, it's about Americans getting to exploit the visa slaves for cheap labor.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

According to my test, I'm a Neanderthal outlier! (more Neanderthal variants than 95% of the tested population). So authentically Cavewoman, for whatever that will get me.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

I think the authors are fundamentally correct that most Americans do not perceive that they benefit from immigration. Their impulse is to try to broaden the range of employers who can hire immigrants, to give more people a stake in immigration. That seems like a good idea to me. One can quibble about the details, and one can certainly imagine ways in which the system could be gamed or immigrants exploited, but we agree that those would be bad results. Maybe where we differ is that I see the authors proposing win-win solutions, not exploitation, and you don't (though I'm not sure why).

FB x-post?
 

This kind of look?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...56_226x412.jpg

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

My sister and I are both going to do the 23 and Me tests to see if we come out the same. We should, if accurate, but N.B., full disclosure, IIRC, at least Penske, Atticus and Thurgreed claimed to have had sex with my mother, so the results might be inconclusive:confused:?

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Still unclear. At any rate, I asked the host to update us to the latest version of the license we have. They said they'd do it during down time. I'm not quite sure when that is, but be prepared (especially in the middle of the night) for the board to go down for an hour or so.

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It's inevitable. But I think they might hasten it a bit if they select better cheerleaders than Charles Murray.

Still, I'll take whatever attention the idea can acquire. It's the only sane solution until:

1. We become the happy, decadent leisure class Keynes' envisioned; or,
2. Those oodles of new jobs that are created by all new technologies, accordingly to economic theory written in 1369, followed blindly since by all autistic sorts in the Dismal Science, come to fruition (this being somewhere, I estimate, around 2150).

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

Ok, the forum has been updated. Let me know if there are any problems and I'll see what I can do.

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 

It's okay, bud, I'm still mad at the loom too. Don't even get me started on buggy whips.