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Penske_Account 11-02-2005 04:52 PM
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Is that from the bases at which there's insufficient armour?

bTW, is that where teh Iraq WMDs were moved to by Saddam from his rat hole?
Yes and no. He moved them before he was in the rathole. Did you read the article for the words or the beat?

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 04:56 PM
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This makes no sense. A weakened Syrian military does wonders for Israel's self-defense. Imperialistic conquest - what are you talking about?
If Israel wanted Syria weakened it could go kick Syria's arse. It doesn't need us to do it for them and they can probably do it better than we can.

What part of the word "imperialistic" don't you understand?

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 04:58 PM
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Looks like ol' Billy Jeff still has the touch.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0ajpg-717v.jpg

eta: Quadrangular!
Ha ha ha. Sexual predators and sexual abuse of kids are hilarious topics.

Captain 11-02-2005 04:58 PM
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This really bears no relevene to what is happening today. Since the founders allowed slavery to continue (and many were slaveholders), and only allowed white men to vote, it is not like they should be used as the ultimate guidance when it comes to the proper respect for human rights. I don't think any of them would have cared at all how a muslim prisoner (especially one that had targeted women and children) were treated.
Interesting.

The Founders views were relevant when you thought Washington denied Andre any process and summarily hanged him, but are irrelevant once you are shown to have been mistaken.

Captain 11-02-2005 04:59 PM
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Looks like ol' Billy Jeff still has the touch.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0ajpg-717v.jpg

eta: Quadrangular!
It's the look on her face that makes that one priceless.

Sexual Harassment Panda 11-02-2005 05:00 PM
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If Israel wanted Syria weakened it could go kick Syria's arse. It doesn't need us to do it for them and they can probably do it better than we can.
You're not that naive. Of course Israel wants Syria weak. But if they invade they automatically invite all of Syria's buddies to the party and that they do not want. So they get the US to do it, don't get Israelis killed in the process, and have the bonus of further deflecting Arab rage to the US.

Bottom line - the Israelis have every reason to lie to us about WMDs being in Syria, and none to be truthful if they're not there.

Hank Chinaski 11-02-2005 05:00 PM
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Were we signatories to the Geneva Convention then?
yes. the 30% that felt bush stole the election, that thought the war was wrong and was to get oil for Cheney.

everyone else realizes that it's shit that needs to happen- even if some of it shouldn't, in retrospect. it is a practical necessity.

What's funniest to me (and i am pro abortion rights) is that the libs bring up legal arguments to say we shouldn't torture terrorists when the torture could save lives- article 5 of the blah blah blah would be impacted- yet those same people argue that abortion is a practical necessity w/o ever admitting the legal support is shakier than anything Bush has rasied to justify detainee treatmen

Hank Chinaski 11-02-2005 05:02 PM
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It's not self-defense if they're in prison. Even super- secret double-supervision plausibly deniable until it got leaked prison. And God doesn't talk to Bush.
yes. the 30% that felt bush stole the election, that thought the war was wrong and was to get oil for Cheney.

everyone else realizes that it's shit that needs to happen- even if some of it shouldn't, in retrospect. it is a practical necessity.

What's funniest to me (and i am pro abortion rights) is that the libs bring up legal arguments to say we shouldn't torture terrorists when the torture could save lives- article 5 of the blah blah blah would be impacted- yet those same people argue that abortion is a practical necessity w/o ever admitting the legal support is shakier than anything Bush has rasied to justify detainee treatmen

Sexual Harassment Panda 11-02-2005 05:04 PM
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Ha ha ha. Sexual predators and sexual abuse of kids are hilarious topics.
Speaking of which - you're in Seattle - has Jim West been arrested yet?

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 05:04 PM
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You're not that naive. Of course Israel wants Syria weak. But if they invade they automatically invite all of Syria's buddies to the party and that they do not want. So they get the US to do it, don't get Israelis killed in the process, and have the bonus of further deflecting Arab rage to the US.

Bottom line - the Israelis have every reason to lie to us about WMDs being in Syria, and none to be truthful if they're not there.
You can't be that ignorant of 50 years of history. Which buddies are the Syrians going to invite to the party? the Palestinians? Oops Israel is already at war with them. Lebanon? Oops, it's already part of Syria. Egypt? Do they want to lose the Gaza? Again? Jordan? Do they want to lose the rest of their country? The Gulf States? Ha ha ha ha ha. Iraq? Nope, US controlled.

Israel doesn't need us to take out Syria and their history of self-defence trumps anything we could do over there. Why the hate? Are you anti-semitic?

Captain 11-02-2005 05:04 PM
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I'll bet you think you're pretty clever for finding that Achilles heel in my argument, which pretty much fucks up my argument completely. Well, to that, man, I say....



You are pretty smart.

Uncle.


But I never really expected to slip that one past the goalie anyway, so there (as I take my ball and leave...).
No, no, don't go.

Don't leave me here alone with ... them.

Help!

Hank Chinaski 11-02-2005 05:07 PM
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Why the hate? Are you anti-semitic?
please. He's anti-Jewish. semites include the people he'd turn the land over to.

taxwonk 11-02-2005 05:09 PM
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Don't give me some shit about "If you don't stand up to torture here, you're standing up FOR it everywhere." We're beyond that shit reasoning/sloganeering/gamesmanship, aren't we?
Yes, we're beyond that. Because after all, it's going to be so easy for America to remain the Leader of the Free World and command respect if we just explain to the rest of the world that when we torture and maim, and do all the shit that the Declaration of Independence and Constitution and laws say we aren't allowed to, we're beyond that sloganeering shit.

taxwonk 11-02-2005 05:10 PM
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Finally. That's cleared up.
You should have all asked me in the first place.

Penske_Account 11-02-2005 05:11 PM
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Speaking of which - you're in Seattle - has Jim West been arrested yet?
he's not in Seattle. In Seattle it's Jihadi Jim McDermott who should be arrested.


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