Victimhood
 

I am saddened by that, but not swayed.

Victimhood
 

You don't need to worry. You're an aristocratic Mexican. Them are the good kind.

Sick Fuck Goes Free
 

That's pretty much what I figured was going on all along.

Victimhood
 

I see. What you're saying then is that we don't need to worry about catching lone terrorists. Okay.

Victimhood
 

Who ever said anything about a test? I never said there was a test. I was just trying to defend ethnic and religious profiling. You were attacking my defense of ethnic and religious profiling (instead of pointing out the practical problems) so it would seem logical that you were attacking ethnic and religious profiling.

And as far as your "practical points" which you say are not arguments against ethnic and religious profiling, didn't I already say that everyone gets checked randomly and that ethnic and religious profiling would be added to the other profiles they already use (like nervous people, one way tickets etc). Its like you are saying that I was implying that ethnic and religious profiling would be the only profiling used, and such profiling would make the system perfect. I never said either of those things making your points irrelevent.

I don't know why were are discussing him in the first place. He was brought up to show that ethnic and religious profiling do not help. His example did not do that because I never said that it would be the only tool used, and I never said it would make the system better, not perfect. So if he does not show that religious and ethnic profiling does not help, then why are we still discussing him?

Victimhood
 

I think that if you're following this line of reasoning you're a bit of an asshole.

Note that you haven't said anything about where they are from, where they are going, their age, their demeanor, whether or not they have carry-on bags, or anything else other than the fact that they are Arabs.

In other words, you have pretty much laid waste to all your protestations that their ethnicity is just one factor in a profile. Of course, pretty much all your posts on the subject, when read carefully, have made it clear that you are saying the mere fact of their ethnicity is enough for you to label Arab males suspect.

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That has got to be the dumbest statements any one has ever made on this board. Did you ever take statistic in college (or hell did you pass fourth grade math)?

Not all Arabs are Muslim. But is it prejudicial (or with out reason) to say that an Arab is more likely to be Muslim than a Frenchman. Or that an Arab is more likely to commence on the Haj than a Frenchman - of course not. That is just a fact.

Of course there are more Arabs that don't blow up planes than do. Otherwise there wouldn't be any planes left. But, like I said, more Arabs blow up planes per capita, than Norwegians. So it is a fact, all other factors being equal, that an Arab is more likely to blow up a plane than a Frenchman. Just like it is a fact that you are I are more likely to be serial killers than an African American women.

Victimhood
 

I would rather be that than dumber than a lump of paste.

I didn't have to.

Who said anything about suspects? If you are saying that you would feel fine getting on a plane with a group of Arab males, who have thick accents, between the ages of fifteen and sixty, without them getting an extra search, as you would feel with their Norwegian counterparts (all other factors being the same), you are lying.

Victimhood
 

I'm still waiting for an explanation of what you mean by "profiling."

Go Arnold Go
 

The Religious Right is not Happy with Arnold. Cry me a river.

Governor Schwarzenegger Signs Bill Targeting People of Faith
SB 1441 an Assault on Freedom of Organized Religion, Religious Schools

Governor Schwarzenegger signed SB 1441 (Kuehl-D) into law today. SB 1441 would require all businesses and organizations receiving funding from the state to condone homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality or lose state funding. There is no exception for faith-based organizations or business owners with sincerely held religious convictions.

“This isn’t even a veiled attempt at subtly advancing the radical homosexual agenda,” stated Karen England, Executive Director of Capitol Resource Institute. “SB 1441 is an outright, blatant assault on religious freedom in California.”

This legislation will prevent parochial schools, such as private, Christian, Catholic, Mormon, and many other religious universities, from receiving student financial assistance if they also maintain a student code of conduct preventing behavior deemed immoral by their religious beliefs. By withholding state funding from schools, students’ educational opportunities will be severely limited. And limiting educational opportunities will result in a less diverse, less educated citizenry.

“As a citizen of California and a religious person, I am terribly disappointed in Governor Schwarzenegger,” stated Meredith Turney, Legislative Liaison for Capitol Resource Institute. “It is bad public policy to add to the list of protected classes a sexual behavior. Equating sexual preference with the immutable characteristics of age, national origin or race will result in other variable behaviors being added to the list of invariable classes rightfully protected.”

Forcing private education institutions to accept students engaged in behavior offensive to the school’s moral code is a serious infringement of the constitutional rights to freedom of assembly and freedom of speech.

“This bill is yet another attempt to prevent citizens with moral and religious principles from expressing their beliefs and educating their children according to those beliefs,” continued England. “On behalf of California families, private schools and other private organization, I express our outrage at this attack on our freedom. Unfortunately for California families, there are several other radical homosexual bills heading towards the Governor’s desk.”

Victimhood
 

What is wrong with what I posted earlier where I used your definition:

Go Arnold Go
 

If you notice, the final thing Karen England said was:

"Unfortunately for California families, there are several other radical homosexual bills heading towards the Governor’s desk.”

I can hardly wait.

P.S. I have never understood why the so called Homosexual agenda is anti-family. Can someone explain it to me? Maybe one of my more conservative bretheren. Slave? Penske?

Victimhood
 

I don't think it's much of a definition. I don't think anyone here disagrees with it. What do you think we're arguing about?

Go Arnold Go
 

Islam is to women as Bible Belt Fundamentalism is to homosexuals.

I don't subscribe to the notion that gay-haters have latent sexual confusion. I just think they're the sort of people who want you to think their way.

How great would our world be if the 20 % of people always trying to force others to live by their idea of what's good or best for everyone minded their own motherfucking business?

I am a bigot. If you have a moral agenda you want enforced on anybody else, regardless of their beliefs, I don't want you sitting on the bus with my kids, working near me, drinking from the same water fountains or going to the same theatres. Those people deserve some serious fucking discrimination. It should be written into our Constitution that one must be libertarian on all minor moral issues, such as where another person likes to shove his cock...

Victimhood
 

just a thought. after 5 years of having to write this same basic post to a half dozen different people, it might be time to look in the mirror. no offense.