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Penske_Account 09-30-2005 09:17 PM

Roberts is in
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Because Bennett's, DeLay's, Frists's moral compasses point due north?
Frist yes. I am not sure what the exact issue is, but I will read the NYTimes take on sunday and become better informed. Certainly some securities law violation does not equal the racism of Bobby Byrd or the general immorality of Clinton.

Bennett, I condemn his statement as strongly as is possible, but outside of this instance, I would have said his moral compass is fairly solidly pointed north. I would hope this was an extreme hypo that got away from his better judgment and true babyjesuschristsuperstar christian being.

DeLay is a little shady, but not a racist, murderer or rapist.

Spanky 09-30-2005 09:18 PM

People, people, people.....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
amok.
At first I had it has amuck. I knew that wasn't right. So then I tried umuck. That looked wrong too but I just decided to blow it off.

The English and spell checker have completely destroyed my ability to spell.

Spanky 09-30-2005 09:19 PM

Roberts is in
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account


DeLay is a little shady, but not a racist, murderer or rapist.
Let us not forget that he is a big government liberal.

ltl/fb 09-30-2005 09:20 PM

People, people, people.....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
At first I had it has amuck. I knew that wasn't right. So then I tried umuck. That looked wrong too but I just decided to blow it off.

The English and spell checker have completely destroyed my ability to spell.
it's not "umuk" in any English-speaking country.

It's a city in Turkey -- maybe it is the Turks who have fucked you up?

Penske_Account 09-30-2005 09:26 PM

People, people, people.....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
it's not "umuk" in any English-speaking country.

It's a city in Turkey -- maybe it is the Turks who have fucked you up?
this makes no sense. Take this to the Village Idiot's Board. We are topical here.

Spanky 09-30-2005 09:34 PM

People, people, people.....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
it's not "umuk" in any English-speaking country.
That would be part of the spell checker problem.

Penske_Account 09-30-2005 10:05 PM

The Post of Virtues.
 
The difference between Bill Bennett and Bobby Byrd is that after his statements Bennett can say:

"Let me reiterate what I had hoped my long career had already established: that I renounce all forms of bigotry — and that my record in trying to provide opportunities for, as well as save the lives of, minorities in this country stands up just fine," he added.

Byrd on the other hand, can only cite to the fact that in the organization of bigots, he held exalted titles, like Kleagle and Grand Cyclops.

I wonder how many African-Americans the honoured Senator Byrd actually killed, whether by putting the noose around their necks or just being an actual conspirator involved in the lynching? What is the SoL for murder?

Penske_Account 09-30-2005 10:13 PM

is the worm turning?
 
WASHINGTON -- The money that led to the indictment this week of two Las Vegas pastors and the wife of one of them came from federal grants arranged by Sen. Harry Reid in September 2001, a Reid spokeswoman said Wednesday.


http://www.dhogberg.com/reid-baucus.jpg

Hank Chinaski 10-01-2005 12:40 AM

I have faith
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Yes but we can screw things up pretty fast to. Power breeds arrogance. Delay is a disgrace. He is a social conservative and a borderline socialist. He is worth more to the Dems in office than he has ever been or will be to us. We need to jettison this guy before he can do more damage.

He is going to feel the weight and power of the Silicon Valley money here shortley.
Reading this sort, I feel that I am one post away from you cutting me adrift to the land of Fu:( :(

Gattigap 10-01-2005 01:30 AM

The Post of Virtues.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
The difference between Bill Bennett and Bobby Byrd is that after his statements Bennett can say:

"Let me reiterate what I had hoped my long career had already established: that I renounce all forms of bigotry — and that my record in trying to provide opportunities for, as well as save the lives of, minorities in this country stands up just fine," he added.

Byrd on the other hand, can only cite to the fact that in the organization of bigots, he held exalted titles, like Kleagle and Grand Cyclops.

I wonder how many African-Americans the honoured Senator Byrd actually killed, whether by putting the noose around their necks or just being an actual conspirator involved in the lynching? What is the SoL for murder?
Boy, Bennett's quote has really gotten to you, hasn't it? Pity.

Penske_Account 10-01-2005 05:10 AM

The Post of Virtues.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Boy, Bennett's quote has really gotten to you, hasn't it? Pity.
Nice defence of Byrd's complicity in lynchings in WVA. Why? Are you denying that the lynchings occured? Or that the Klan was involved in them?

Penske_Account 10-01-2005 05:16 AM

Islam: A Cult of Peace, Tolerance and Enlightened Anti-Semitism
 
The [NYC] fire department's new Muslim chaplain Imam Intikab Habib told NY Newsday in an interview published Friday that he was skeptical of the official version of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, which killed 343 firefighters.

"I've heard professionals say that nowhere ever in history did a steel building come down with fire alone," he told the newspaper.

"It takes two or three weeks to demolish a building like that. But it was pulled down in a couple of hours," he said. "Was it 19 hijackers who brought it down, or was it a conspiracy?"

In 2003, New Jersey state Poet Laureate Amiri Baraka's wrote a poem suggesting Israel had advance knowledge of the attacks.
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If only the darlings of the liberal inteligentsia, Rapist in Chief Clinton and Nobel Peace Prise Winner and baby killer Arafat, had succeeded in driving those pesky Israelis into the sea.

Gattigap 10-01-2005 12:40 PM

The Post of Virtues.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Nice defence of Byrd's complicity in lynchings in WVA. Why? Are you denying that the lynchings occured? Or that the Klan was involved in them?
http://www.hogwild.net/images/Misc/whiffle-ball-bat.jpg

Hank Chinaski 10-01-2005 12:54 PM

Islam: A Cult of Peace, Tolerance and Enlightened Anti-Semitism
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
The [NYC] fire department's new Muslim chaplain Imam Intikab Habib told NY Newsday in an interview published Friday that he was skeptical of the official version of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, which killed 343 firefighters.

"I've heard professionals say that nowhere ever in history did a steel building come down with fire alone," he told the newspaper.

"It takes two or three weeks to demolish a building like that. But it was pulled down in a couple of hours," he said. "Was it 19 hijackers who brought it down, or was it a conspiracy?"

In 2003, New Jersey state Poet Laureate Amiri Baraka's wrote a poem suggesting Israel had advance knowledge of the attacks.
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If only the darlings of the liberal inteligentsia, Rapist in Chief Clinton and Nobel Peace Prise Winner and baby killer Arafat, had succeeded in driving those pesky Israelis into the sea.
WTF? Under the terms of our 2004 treaty, I get to post all lgf stories. You get all Clinton/Kennedy photoshops. Something like this could WWI around here.

Spanky 10-01-2005 04:51 PM

Liberal skepticism.......
 
It was bad enough having Ty doubt FDR's lies and the buses, but Sidd questioned whether or not there are two to three feet tall Jack Rabbits cruising around in my yard.

Does anyone know anything about the Jack Rabbits in the San Francisco Bay Area? When these suckers are sitting on their hind legs with their ears sticking straight up I could swear they are the size of Kangaroos (maybe two and half feet).

Atticus - you seem to know all things bay area. What about the Jack Rabbits?

My neighbor thinks her cat was eaten by a coyote. I have seen foxes but no coyotes. She thinks the foxes are not big enough to eat a cat.

Atticus?

Secret_Agent_Man 10-01-2005 05:06 PM

Liberal skepticism.......
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
My neighbor thinks her cat was eaten by a coyote. I have seen foxes but no coyotes. She thinks the foxes are not big enough to eat a cat.
I know nothing about Bay area fauna, but can share two observations:

(a) Kangaroo are a whole lot bigger than that;

(b) Most foxes could handle most domestic cats.

S_A_M

Penske_Account 10-01-2005 07:51 PM

The Post of Virtues.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
http://www.strangepolitics.com/image...ent/105276.jpg
Still can't bring yourself to criticise a Klan leader......sad. Do they spike the kool-aid with something?

Penske_Account 10-01-2005 07:52 PM

Islam: A Cult of Peace, Tolerance and Enlightened Anti-Semitism
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
WTF? Under the terms of our 2004 treaty, I get to post all lgf stories. You get all Clinton/Kennedy photoshops. Something like this could WWI around here.
lgf?

Penske_Account 10-01-2005 08:04 PM

Liberal skepticism.......
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
It was bad enough having Ty doubt FDR's lies and the buses, but Sidd questioned whether or not there are two to three feet tall Jack Rabbits cruising around in my yard.

Does anyone know anything about the Jack Rabbits in the San Francisco Bay Area? When these suckers are sitting on their hind legs with their ears sticking straight up I could swear they are the size of Kangaroos (maybe two and half feet).

Atticus - you seem to know all things bay area. What about the Jack Rabbits?

My neighbor thinks her cat was eaten by a coyote. I have seen foxes but no coyotes. She thinks the foxes are not big enough to eat a cat.

Atticus?
Sorry to say, Sidd is wrong. the rabbit you saw, native to the northern california area, amongst others, is commonly known as the black-tailed jackrabbit, or more formally the Lepus californicus, and can reach a length up to 25 (plus) inches from hind legs to head with ears that are an additional six to seven inches long. So two and half plus feet. As a child I raised such rabbits for sporting competition and had a few that got to be well over 3 feet from toes to tip of the ears.

Was Sidd drinking kool-aid before he got there?

http://www.stressbuster1.com/pics/kerry-rabbit.jpg

Penske_Account 10-01-2005 09:47 PM

Liberal skepticism.......
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I know nothing about Bay area fauna, but can share two observations:

(a) Kangaroo are a whole lot bigger than that;

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!

WRONG. Kangaroos vary greatly in size. The smallest is the musky rat kangaroo which is about the size of a rabbit.

Hank Chinaski 10-01-2005 10:25 PM

Liberal skepticism.......
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!

WRONG. Kangaroos vary greatly in size. The smallest is the musky rat kangaroo which is about the size of a rabbit.
My pet rabbit is 5' 2"

SlaveNoMore 10-02-2005 05:59 AM

is the worm turning?
 
Payback is a bitch.

SlaveNoMore 10-02-2005 06:07 AM

Liberal skepticism.......
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
It was bad enough having Ty doubt FDR's lies and the buses, but Sidd questioned whether or not there are two to three feet tall Jack Rabbits cruising around in my yard.
I have 9-12 parrots in my back yard, so anything is possible.

Quote:

Does anyone know anything about the Jack Rabbits in the San Francisco Bay Area? When these suckers are sitting on their hind legs with their ears sticking straight up I could swear they are the size of Kangaroos (maybe two and half feet).
Strike that.

You are wack.

And while you're at it, please send the number of the guy who got you that way to BNB and Coltrane's cousin.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-02-2005 11:36 AM

From the author of The Book of Virtues.
 
Bill Bennett in action:
  • A True Story About Bill Bennett

    By Reed Hundt

    When I was chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (1993-97), I asked Bill Bennett to visit my office so that I could ask him for help in seeking legislation that would pay for internet access in all classrooms and libraries in the country. Eventually Senators Olympia Snowe and Jay Rockefeller, with the White House leadership of President Clinton and Vice President Gore, put that provision in the Telecommunications Law of 1996, and today nearly 90% of all classrooms and libraries do have such access. The schools covered were public and private. So far the federal funding (actually collected from everyone as part of the phone bill) has been matched more or less equally with school district funding to total about $20 billion over the last seven years. More than 90% of all teachers praise the impact of such technology on their work. At any rate, since Mr. Bennett had been Secretary of Education I asked him to support the bill in the crucial stage when we needed Republican allies. He told me he would not help, because he did not want public schools to obtain new funding, new capability, new tools for success. He wanted them, he said, to fail so that they could be replaced with vouchers,charter schools, religious schools, and other forms of private education. Well, I thought, at least he's candid about his true views. The key Senate committee voted almost on party lines on the bill, all D's for and all R's against, except one -- Olympia Snowe. Her support provided the margin of victory. On the House side, Speaker Gingrich made sure the provision was not in the companion bill, but in conference again Senators Snowe and Rockefeller, with White House support, made the difference. The Internet has been the first technology made available to students in poorly funded schools at about the same time and in about the same way as to students in well funded schools.

TPM Cafe

Penske_Account 10-02-2005 12:27 PM

From the author of The Book of Virtues.
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Bill Bennett in action:
  • A True Story About Bill Bennett

    By Reed Hundt

    When I was chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (1993-97), I asked Bill Bennett to visit my office so that I could ask him for help in seeking legislation that would pay for internet access in all classrooms and libraries in the country. Eventually Senators Olympia Snowe and Jay Rockefeller, with the White House leadership of President Clinton and Vice President Gore, put that provision in the Telecommunications Law of 1996, and today nearly 90% of all classrooms and libraries do have such access. The schools covered were public and private. So far the federal funding (actually collected from everyone as part of the phone bill) has been matched more or less equally with school district funding to total about $20 billion over the last seven years. More than 90% of all teachers praise the impact of such technology on their work. At any rate, since Mr. Bennett had been Secretary of Education I asked him to support the bill in the crucial stage when we needed Republican allies. He told me he would not help, because he did not want public schools to obtain new funding, new capability, new tools for success. He wanted them, he said, to fail so that they could be replaced with vouchers,charter schools, religious schools, and other forms of private education. Well, I thought, at least he's candid about his true views. The key Senate committee voted almost on party lines on the bill, all D's for and all R's against, except one -- Olympia Snowe. Her support provided the margin of victory. On the House side, Speaker Gingrich made sure the provision was not in the companion bill, but in conference again Senators Snowe and Rockefeller, with White House support, made the difference. The Internet has been the first technology made available to students in poorly funded schools at about the same time and in about the same way as to students in well funded schools.

I agree with this. Anything that moves forward with new solutions out of the box is better than feeding the entrenched sub-par bureaucracy more money. Giving the internet to poor kids but leaving them with the same masses of incompetent teachers controlled by a marxist union is pointless.

It's like giving the black knight a scooby doo band-aid.

http://www.emerchandise.com/images/p...dSTMPT0002.jpg

Hank Chinaski 10-02-2005 12:37 PM

From the author of The Book of Virtues.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Bill Bennett in action:
  • A True Story About Bill Bennett

    By Reed Hundt

    When I was chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (1993-97), I asked Bill Bennett to visit my office so that I could ask him for help in seeking legislation that would pay for internet access in all classrooms and libraries in the country. Eventually Senators Olympia Snowe and Jay Rockefeller, with the White House leadership of President Clinton and Vice President Gore, put that provision in the Telecommunications Law of 1996, and today nearly 90% of all classrooms and libraries do have such access. The schools covered were public and private. So far the federal funding (actually collected from everyone as part of the phone bill) has been matched more or less equally with school district funding to total about $20 billion over the last seven years. More than 90% of all teachers praise the impact of such technology on their work. At any rate, since Mr. Bennett had been Secretary of Education I asked him to support the bill in the crucial stage when we needed Republican allies. He told me he would not help, because he did not want public schools to obtain new funding, new capability, new tools for success. He wanted them, he said, to fail so that they could be replaced with vouchers,charter schools, religious schools, and other forms of private education. Well, I thought, at least he's candid about his true views. The key Senate committee voted almost on party lines on the bill, all D's for and all R's against, except one -- Olympia Snowe. Her support provided the margin of victory. On the House side, Speaker Gingrich made sure the provision was not in the companion bill, but in conference again Senators Snowe and Rockefeller, with White House support, made the difference. The Internet has been the first technology made available to students in poorly funded schools at about the same time and in about the same way as to students in well funded schools.

TPM Cafe
Do you believe the schools in our cities are working, I mean now that the kids get the internet and all?

Penske_Account 10-02-2005 01:05 PM

From the author of The Book of Virtues.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Do you believe the schools in our cities are working, I mean now that the kids get the internet and all?
The stock answer of the liberals is throw more money at it. There is no substance, only form.

Spanky 10-02-2005 01:49 PM

From the author of The Book of Virtues.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
The stock answer of the liberals is throw more money at it. There is no substance, only form.
What has Bennet said about this? Has he acknowledged it? I am always suspicious of when people paraphrase what other people say, especially when there is politics inovled.

If this is true, and the real reason that they did not support the bill was to intentionally hurt schools that would be awful. I doubt this was the reason, and even in the slight chance it was, Bennet would never admit to it like that.

And this is not Gingrich's MO. If he was against the bill it was not to intentionlly hurt them so people would demand vouchers.

I have been accused by the teachers unions of demanding all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons. I said the biggest problem with our school system is that the lemons (bad principles and bad teachers) are not removed. I said the biggest problem with the system is not that we don't spend enough money, it is that we waste our money. This comment was paraphrased by a teacher union rep as me saying that I thought most teachers were bad, that I was against teachers, and that I wanted their pay cut (and education funding cut). I have also been accused of wanting to destroy the system so people will choose a voucher system. I have never said such a thing, and this article seems really similar to what happened to me. Right now the teacher unions are putting out Ads that say that the bill that will increase the time it takes for them to get tenure from two years to four years will cut funding. They are lying.

But I don't see how this relates to the monster rabbits in my yard.

Penske_Account 10-02-2005 02:05 PM

From the author of The Book of Virtues.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
What has Bennet said about this? Has he acknowledged it? I am always suspicious of when people paraphrase what other people say, especially when there is politics inovled.

If this is true, and the real reason that they did not support the bill was to intentionally hurt schools that would be awful. I doubt this was the reason, and even in the slight chance it was, Bennet would never admit it to someone like that.

And this is not Gingrich's MO. If he was against the bill it was not to intentionlly hurt them so people would demand vouchers.

But I don't see how this relates to the monster rabbits in my yard.
I agree with the above. HUndt is certainly a partisan in his assertion and Bennett is no friend of Hundt's patron Clinton, so there is every interest on his part to twist Bennett's words for negative affect.

The simple reason not to support the internet thing is that the public schools can't teach fundamentals, reading, writing and math. Having the internet as a tool doesn't make it any more likely that they will fulfill their core mission. I.e. more good money after bad. The failure of the public schools demands an out of the box solution or at least an attempt at something more than the tried and true, spend money. Vouchers is one idea, but teacher's unions don't like vouchers, because it would expose the mass of its members as incompetents who would then be out of jobs. The teachers unions lovers in the dimwit party support this equation. Better to sacrifice the nations' youth than upset the marxists in the NEA. In the meantime give them the internet, Al Gore invented it, it must be good.

As for your rabbits, I settled the issue above, what more is the to discuss?

Penske_Account 10-02-2005 02:10 PM

From the author of The Book of Virtues.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky


I have been accused by the teachers unions of demanding all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons. I said the biggest problem with our school system is that the lemons (bad principles and bad teachers) are not removed. I said the biggest problem with the system is not that we don't spend enough money, it is that we waste our money. This comment was paraphrased by a teacher union rep as me saying that I thought most teachers were bad, that I was against teachers, and that I wanted their pay cut (and education funding cut). I have also been accused of wanting to destroy the system so people will choose a voucher system. I have never said such a thing, and this article seems really similar to what happened to me. Right now the teacher unions are putting out Ads that say that the bill that will increase the time it takes for them to get tenure from two years to four years will cut funding. They are lying.

But I don't see how this relates to the monster rabbits in my yard.
Mostly a 2 here, but I think most teachers are bad in the sense that they are complicit in perpetuating the current system by supporting the unions. The rank and file kool aiders allow the marxists to do their dirty work.

Can you imagine if the law operated like this, partnership at 2 years regardless of merit and you could never be de-equitised? The one positive is the legal industry, at least on the transaction side, would soon go out of business as at the thousands of dollars an hour rates the firms would need to charge to sustain the model, business would soon look for other ways to solve the issue of document production and review, eg: a thousand monkeys on a thousand word processors.

Spanky 10-02-2005 02:16 PM

From the author of The Book of Virtues.
 
http://www.emerchandise.com/images/p...dSTMPT0002.jpg [/QUOTE]

In this movie the bunny was small, white and fluffy and it laid waste to half of Arthurs men. These were knights in full body armour (is that armor in American English? - I am so mixed up it's pathetic) with years of fighting experience. The rabbits in my yard are huge. Just think of what they could do.

Penske_Account 10-02-2005 02:27 PM

From the author of The Book of Virtues.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky


In this movie the bunny was small, white and fluffy and it laid waste to half of Arthurs men. These were knights in full body armour (is that armor in American English? - I am so mixed up it's pathetic) with years of fighting experience. The rabbits in my yard are huge. Just think of what they could do.
Agreed. Sidd and S_A_M are like the Sirs Bors and Gawain of our little group. I hope they come to their senses before they meet like fates at the fangs of your silly little rabbits.

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/...s/21_rabbt.jpg

Spanky 10-02-2005 02:49 PM

Give Peace a Chance
 
My sister just got back from the peace march in D.C. and my parents thought it was great that she went. She just seemd confused why I had such a problem with peace marches and peace in general. This is what I told her.

From my point of view there are two types of political systems. Might is right or might for right. There are no other options. If there is no law enforcement then then you get anarchy and the rule by the strong. So in my opinion you can't get justice without the use of force. In order to enforce the law and insure order (which is the only way to insure justice) you need to arrest people and lock them up. That is violence. If you don't use violence against people that do acts of injustice, you will end up with a system where might is right and there is no justice. In other words Justice and violence are inextricably linked.

So when I see people saying they are against law enforcement or say we don't need a police force, then, in my opinion they are promoting a system in which the criminals rule. Like Chicago in the 1930s. Once law enforcement breaks down the biggest and strongest thug takes control.

On the international stage justice and violence are also inextricably linked. Either might is right or there is might for right. So when I see peace marches, and people arguing to give peace a chance, I see people who want a world where might is right. A world in which people like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot etc are allowed to do whatever they please.

I have said this before, but more people were killed in the last century by the governments that ruled them than died in war. Some poeple dispute that but in my mind if only half as many people died at the hands of their own government than died in war it still makes the same point. In many cases peace is the worst option.

When I hear people say the US cannot be the worlds policeman, that to me says, the US should allow might to be right. What is wrong with promoting justice throughout the world? Every recent war the US has fought has been aginst incredible evil. Hitler, Kim in North Korea, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot Saddam Hussein etc. All these men were responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions.

In my opinion the idea of a peace and justice organization is a joke. You can't have both. You only get one. I choose justice. When I heard people say "Give Peace a Chance" I hear let injustice reign.

I understand the idea when people are against wars because it is being fought for an unjust reason. Our involement in suppressing the Phillipine insurrectino was an unjust war. But I think every war the US has been involved in since 1941 has been on the side of justice. Peace just for its own sake in my opinion, promotes injustice and encourages evil.

You can't have justice without using violence to create it. If you are against all forms of violence, you are against justice. It is that simple.

Hank Chinaski 10-02-2005 02:57 PM

Give Peace a Chance
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
My sister just got back from the peace march in D.C. and my parents thought it was great that she went. She just seemd confused why I had such a problem with peace marches and peace in general. This is what I told her.

From my point of view there are two types of political systems. Might is right or might for right. There are no other options. If there is no law enforcement then then you get anarchy and the rule by the strong. So in my opinion you can't get justice without the use of force. In order to enforce the law and insure order (which is the only way to insure justice) you need to arrest people and lock them up. That is violence. If you don't use violence against people that do acts of injustice, you will end up with a system where might is right and there is no justice. In other words Justice and violence are inextricably linked.

So when I see people saying they are against law enforcement or say we don't need a police force, then, in my opinion they are promoting a system in which the criminals rule. Like Chicago in the 1930s. Once law enforcement breaks down the biggest and strongest thug takes control.

On the international stage justice and violence are also inextricably linked. Either might is right or there is might for right. So when I see peace marches, and people arguing to give peace a chance, I see people who want a world where might is right. A world in which people like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot etc are allowed to do whatever they please.

I have said this before, but more people were killed in the last century by the governments that ruled them than died in war. Some poeple dispute that but in my mind if only half as many people died at the hands of their own government than died in war it still makes the same point. In many cases peace is the worst option.

When I hear people say the US cannot be the worlds policeman, that to me says, the US should allow might to be right. What is wrong with promoting justice throughout the world? Every recent war the US has fought has been aginst incredible evil. Hitler, Kim in North Korea, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot Saddam Hussein etc. All these men were responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions.

In my opinion the idea of a peace and justice organization is a joke. You can't have both. You only get one. I choose justice. When I heard people say "Give Peace a Chance" I hear let injustice reign.

I understand the idea when people are against wars because it is being fought for an unjust reason. Our involement in suppressing the Phillipine insurrectino was an unjust war. But I think every war the US has been involved in since 1941 has been on the side of justice. Peace just for its own sake in my opinion, promotes injustice and encourages evil.

You can't have justice without using violence to create it. If you are against all forms of violence, you are against justice. It is that simple.
It's ironic that the hippies that fought to stop the killing of the Vietnam War were sucessful, and probably pride themselves on their sucess. I wonder how many of them admit they are complicit in the millions of deaths in Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos that lay at their doorsteps?

taxwonk 10-02-2005 03:01 PM

Give Peace a Chance
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
My sister just got back from the peace march in D.C. and my parents thought it was great that she went. She just seemd confused why I had such a problem with peace marches and peace in general. This is what I told her.

From my point of view there are two types of political systems. Might is right or might for right. There are no other options. If there is no law enforcement then then you get anarchy and the rule by the strong. So in my opinion you can't get justice without the use of force. In order to enforce the law and insure order (which is the only way to insure justice) you need to arrest people and lock them up. That is violence. If you don't use violence against people that do acts of injustice, you will end up with a system where might is right and there is no justice. In other words Justice and violence are inextricably linked.

So when I see people saying they are against law enforcement or say we don't need a police force, then, in my opinion they are promoting a system in which the criminals rule. Like Chicago in the 1930s. Once law enforcement breaks down the biggest and strongest thug takes control.

On the international stage justice and violence are also inextricably linked. Either might is right or there is might for right. So when I see peace marches, and people arguing to give peace a chance, I see people who want a world where might is right. A world in which people like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot etc are allowed to do whatever they please.

I have said this before, but more people were killed in the last century by the governments that ruled them than died in war. Some poeple dispute that but in my mind if only half as many people died at the hands of their own government than died in war it still makes the same point. In many cases peace is the worst option.

When I hear people say the US cannot be the worlds policeman, that to me says, the US should allow might to be right. What is wrong with promoting justice throughout the world? Every recent war the US has fought has been aginst incredible evil. Hitler, Kim in North Korea, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot Saddam Hussein etc. All these men were responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions.

In my opinion the idea of a peace and justice organization is a joke. You can't have both. You only get one. I choose justice. When I heard people say "Give Peace a Chance" I hear let injustice reign.

I understand the idea when people are against wars because it is being fought for an unjust reason. Our involement in suppressing the Phillipine insurrectino was an unjust war. But I think every war the US has been involved in since 1941 has been on the side of justice. Peace just for its own sake in my opinion, promotes injustice and encourages evil.

You can't have justice without using violence to create it. If you are against all forms of violence, you are against justice. It is that simple.
"All power springs from the barrel of a gun."
- Mao Zedong.

Penske_Account 10-02-2005 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky


From my point of view there [is one] type[s] of [just] political system[s]. might for right.
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Originally posted by Spanky


So when I see people saying they are against law enforcement or say we don't need a police force, then, in my opinion they are promoting a system in which the criminals rule. Like Chicago in the 1930s. Once law enforcement breaks down the biggest and strongest thug takes control.
And you distinguish the '30s from every subsequent period of Chicago how? The Daleys are Thugs, Spank. Every bit as corrupt as the Ceaucescus or the NK Kims. I just hope that they ultimately meet the just fate that they deserve. Like the former. Justice delayed does not have to be justice denied.

Penske_Account 10-02-2005 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
It's ironic that the hippies that fought to stop the killing of the Vietnam War were sucessful, and probably pride themselves on their sucess. I wonder how many of them admit they are complicit in the millions of deaths in Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos that lay at their doorsteps?
Did Ty's apology cover this? What I wonder is will the leftwing that consorts with Soros, Moveon.org and Michael Moore apologise and take responsibility for the deaths that result from the next 911? Or at the least line-up to be the first recipients of the largesse of their Islamic friends?

Penske_Account 10-02-2005 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
"All power springs from the barrel of a gun."
- Mao Zedong.
The Second Amendment, the only amendment that really counts.

Hank Chinaski 10-02-2005 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Did Ty's apology cover this? What I wonder is will the leftwing that consorts with Soros, Moveon.org and Michael Moore apologise and take responsibility for the deaths that result from the next 911? Or at the least line-up to be the first recipients of the largesse of their Islamic friends?
Has Slave admitted that giving Ty the keys to this board was a mistake? If we're going to insist on full apology from them for credibility we need to admit our mistakes too.

sgtclub 10-02-2005 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account

Was Sidd drinking kool-aid before he got there?

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