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SEC_Chick 06-24-2003 03:33 PM

When will j and g dissolve ???
 
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Originally posted by Radman
I don't really understand this last post. Boards are anon; who cares if someone logs in as anon? The i812 person posted at least 3 "when will Jenkens dissolve" posts on the Texas board, plus the same thing on the LA board and the Chicago board. Possibly others, I'm sure. Do you not think there's an ax to grind or an agenda?
That's the point. It IS all anonymous. But it is much more clear when everyone uses a unique anonymous id.

My point is that if you think i812 is a dumbass, or is less than impartial, when em continues to post as i812, you can discout his info, based on posting history. But you don't really have any clue who i812 is.

If multiple people are unnecessarily posting under a general "Regional Anon" ID, then there is no way to determine whether, based on past posts, the poster has any credibility.

Annyway, it is supid to use the Regional Anon login when you aren't posting anything outable, because it can confuse discussions and make it difficult to determine who is replyng to whom. It's the same reason Lit disabled the anonymous feature on the Nazi boards.

guest 06-24-2003 08:56 PM

When will j and g dissolve ???
 
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Originally posted by Regional Anon
You are definitely a J&G assoiciate (and perhaps i812 in disguise). The message to you is the same as the message to i812, if you have useful information, or even marginally credible gossip, post it. Otherwise, stop trying to fan the flames with "when will they dissolve?" repetition. It's a lame, old bulletin board trick.
As one of the people listed as providing good information / rumors dirt, I wanted to write that I have no problem i812's posts or the regional anon post pointing out the problems in your attack on i812.

For the record I am neither i812 or a J&G associate. But it sure seems like you are a J&G flack by challenging i812 and the reply to the regional anon post you made. Your attack read like the attack on the post about another Dallas IP associate leaving that indicated that IP associates are fungible and that one leaving was no big news when in fact the exodus from the IP section of J&G is a massive issue that the J&G firm needs to deal with.

BTW as new dirt rumor is that one of the low level J&G IP people who left at end of last year to F&R is out the door.

Austintatious 06-25-2003 12:36 PM

When will j and g dissolve ???
 
The real test will be J&G's ability to hang on to big corporate and institutional clients.

A couple of years ago, I worked in house at a company that used J&G as outside counsel on complex tax matters (if only we'd known), and their work product was poor. The senior partner was outstanding, but the associates often were not kept in the loop enough to be particularly helpful.

The documents and letters they drafted were filled with errors, both substantive (misstatements of law and math errors) and grammatical. I wasted a lot of my time on conference calls with our GC and the J&G partner to fix problems -- for which we were billed a lot of money.

In speaking to other in-house attorneys at the time, I found that our experiences were not unique. I recommended we find another outside firm, but our GC was afraid that J&G's business was slipping (this was 2001, immediately post-enron), so he wanted to keep sending business to his buddies.

If the quality lawyers start leaving in droves, the real business of the firm will go with them and the firm will crumble. Firms have fallen apart for less.

Austin(it's good to be back in the ATX)tatious

notreal 06-25-2003 08:01 PM

When will j and g dissolve ???
 
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Originally posted by Regional Anon
You are definitely a J&G assoiciate (and perhaps i812 in disguise). The message to you is the same as the message to i812, if you have useful information, or even marginally credible gossip, post it. Otherwise, stop trying to fan the flames with "when will they dissolve?" repetition. It's a lame, old bulletin board trick.
and you sound like a J&G apologist

BobRob 06-27-2003 04:54 PM

J&G
 
Any news on whether action has been taken again the board chair for his behavior at the summer associate event?

Word is that a major sexual harassment suit is going to be filed again J&G in the next couple of weeks. I don't think that they will be able to handle much more bad press. Anyone have any details on this? Know of other similar cases that may be lurking out there?


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Originally posted by Regional Anon
There have been several cryptic messages on the other board referring to an "incident" at a recruiting function in which the J&G board chair made a jackass of himself. Details are woefully lacking. Can anyone confirm, fill in the blanks and, if true, the fallout?

Another message referred to a "soon to be published" story about J&G in the Texas Lawyer. Any advance on this?

Regional Anon 06-28-2003 12:23 AM

J&G
 
Quote:

Originally posted by BobRob
Any news on whether action has been taken again the board chair for his behavior at the summer associate event?

Rumor from GP is that what to do was "discussed" at last board meeting, but using words of GP "this board manages by avoidance". The seem to do so on as many issues as possible.

As to possible other suits, supposedly the harrasment suit is a real threat as is some other thing coming, as the GP said "from within" as a real possibility.

The death watch may be real!

BobRob 06-28-2003 02:14 PM

J&G
 
Forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by "GP"?

Also, when you stated that there was another threat coming "from within", did you get the feeling that this was referring to a sexual harassment claim?

Do you think (from the comment "the board manages by avoidance") that the board is not going to take ANY action against the chair? From the details I am getting about the sexual harassment suit that is about to be filed, I would have to agree.

She has an excellent case against the firm and the firm knows it. She offered to settle if J&G would make a donation to a charitable organization and she didn't ask for a dime for herself. It seems that they could of used this good PR (by making the charitable donation), but they refused!!! Can you believe it???

I think that I know what my vote would be on whether Jenkens will survive...

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Originally posted by Regional Anon
Rumor from GP is that what to do was "discussed" at last board meeting, but using words of GP "this board manages by avoidance". The seem to do so on as many issues as possible.

As to possible other suits, supposedly the harrasment suit is a real threat as is some other thing coming, as the GP said "from within" as a real possibility.

The death watch may be real!

Regional Anon 06-28-2003 04:47 PM

GP= greedy partner

Who knows with the board of J&G, they are very very slow to react or deal with problems.

The impression that was left is that the additional issue was a malpractice/ethics issue not a sex harrasment issue, but it was not very clear, just that someone inside was talking to an outside counsel about it. The 'it" is a malpractice / ethics / breach of contract deal according to the GP and supposedly it has some legs and J&G may have some big exposure.

Billy 06-29-2003 05:42 PM

is this just the tax product exposure that everyone already knows about or some other malpractice issue???

Regional Anon 06-29-2003 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by Billy
is this just the tax product exposure that everyone already knows about or some other malpractice issue???
Something else I think. The GP seemed to imply that the tax was not that big of a deal, but that this could be a nail in the coffin.

guest 07-01-2003 12:57 AM

j&g dissolves
 
Quote:

Originally posted by guest
using amlaw 2002 numbers J&G had 589 lawyers and 312Mill. count is now about 400 and dropping rapidly. at 400 and same per lawyer numbers would be at about 220 M which would drop them from 50th place to 74 th or 75 th on list. At 350 using same per lawyer number it would be 185 M or 85th place on 2002 list. probably will hold on list through 2003 and possibly be close to fall of in 2004 absent some way to stop hemorage of lawyers. BTW another IP person is out door to Paton Boggs this week.

Actually seeing the new Amlaw 100 chart the numbers where for 2000 and 2001, respectively. The 2002 numbers came out today and J&G dropped from 50 to 63. As those are numbers before a lot of people had left during first half of 2003, and projecting using the size that J&G is likely to be at end of 2003, it is quite likely that this firm will either drop out of top 100 or just barely hold on by a fingernail.

BTW there is still a rumor swirling around that a big book corporate and/or franchise is soon to depart as well.

Jim Ignatowski 07-02-2003 09:19 PM

j&g dissolves
 
Quote:

Originally posted by guest
Actually seeing the new Amlaw 100 chart the numbers where for 2000 and 2001, respectively. The 2002 numbers came out today and J&G dropped from 50 to 63. As those are numbers before a lot of people had left during first half of 2003, and projecting using the size that J&G is likely to be at end of 2003, it is quite likely that this firm will either drop out of top 100 or just barely hold on by a fingernail.

BTW there is still a rumor swirling around that a big book corporate and/or franchise is soon to depart as well.
Based upon what can be read between the lines in the most recent Texas Lawyer J&G is in much worse shape than thought. It had about IIRC a 10% drop in number of attorneys in 2002 and the drop for first half of 03 must be even greater. The per partner profit went up, but then so did Arter & Haddens' and they are shutting the doors.

The tax matter, the chairs actions at summer associate functions, a rumored sex harassment lawsuit, and a possible additional ethics / malpractice case by one group in the firm against another group within the firm as well as continued rumors of various groups or people leaving. I would not bet the ranch on this place making it too far into 2004.

Billy 07-02-2003 11:44 PM

What's this Internal Ethics/Malp Issue About???
 
"... and a possible additional ethics / malpractice case by one group in the firm against another group within the firm..."


Would someone that knows what's going on please explain what this new issue is that is facing j&g. Several posts now have referenced it and it sounds pretty serious. It has an internal civil war ring to it. Who are the two sides and what are their allegations.

b/r

Paratech 07-03-2003 11:08 AM

Man This Board is trip...
I just love watch all of these sothsayers predicting gloom and doom for a firm that appears to be shaking itself off.
Have any of you have even been in a firm that is evolving, trying to shake off deadweight? sometimes other people don't like the changes and also take a walk!
Not defending the place but damn - this whole seems to be run by either ex-J&Gers or headhunters out for blood.
This is the business of law - its a cut-throat, feed or famine business. It doesn't like change too much and so when it happens it does get alot of attention, so what if it falls out of the the top 100 - it will just have to get up like someone who's been clipped at the jaw, and dropped - do you stop fighting!?!
If you are gonna post rumors - that have been around for at least two months - at start getting some real J&Gers on the Board - Come on someone out there has got to know something - or someone that is at J&G - lets start doing some real digging - or just cut the cra*!

Shape Shifter 07-03-2003 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by Paratech

If you are gonna post rumors - that have been around for at least two months - at start getting some real J&Gers on the Board - Come on someone out there has got to know something - or someone that is at J&G - lets start doing some real digging - or just cut the cra*!
I am sympathetic to your complaints of rumor-mongering and I'd like to see some hard facts posted by some Jenksters. But don't discount the value of unconfirmed rumors to some readers. If I was a J&G SA, I would certainly want to hear the rumors and decide for myself what sort of credibility they have.


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