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Hank Chinaski 10-10-2021 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 531953)
Me neither. Then I saw a picture my wife took of a fucking baby copperhead on the path where I run.

So who can recommend good folding treadmill brands for a decent price?

No offense intended, but who would go close enough to get a picture of a baby copperhead? Follow up: why?

sebastian_dangerfield 10-11-2021 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 531930)
Speaking of rugrats--I'm not really spreading this on other social media quite yet--but after ten years of trying, unglodly amounts of money, lots of awesome science, and a very fertile woman from Florida who gave us 41 eggs (12 fertilized on ice), I'm pregnant with a boy due in March! 17 weeks pregnant right now.

A good hunk of y'all are sending them off and we're just getting started.

Congratulations! That's awesome. Thrilled to hear that your commitment paid off. That's a long time.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-11-2021 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 531946)
That is not my issue. It is the odds that older parents will die on the children early.

LessinLjubljana, Slovenia

Jesus man... That's some cold water on the festivities.

[Why can't I insert a photo of Debbie Downer here?]

sebastian_dangerfield 10-11-2021 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 531951)
Eh, maybe.

Neither one of us is in ill health at all. We've been tested out the wazoo for pretty much everything in order to do this, including a shit ton of psych stuff. We're both vaxxed (me triply so). The cardiologist was actually HAPPY if perplexed to see me ("we don't get totally normal hearts very often") and gave me a 0.05% chance of having a cardio event in the next ten years. G's dad was his age when his youngest sister was born and is still going strong. My family tends to live to the 90s plus, with one great aunt about to hit 104 next month. His is similarly long aged. We both work out, keep an eye on what we eat. Hell, he's a fitness professional. We have access to pretty much any and every health resource on the planet, and we take advantage. One of the psych people told us older parents tend to do better, because they have their shit together at this point, financially and general life wise.

We could get hit by a truck next week. Or die of breakthrough Covid. Or develop cancer (though it's not in either family at any great rate). Or get bitten by a snake. Or a gagillion things that could kill us. We have no intention of orphaning this kid, but I don't think anyone does.

I figured you'd more object to putting another being into this world, which is admittedly a fucked up place.

The chance of two people in your age category succumbing in the next ten years is ridiculously low. In twenty years, still low. Once one climbs over 70, there's more risk. But I think the data supporting that broad assumption derives from a set including tens of millions of people who smoked, ate like shit, and didn't get cancer screenings. I doubt the actuarial tables keep pace with medical science and behavioral changes as well as they should.

The maturity one acquires by our ages also makes one a much more chill parent. In the late 20s/early 30s, its arguable one is still a child (I remain one presently in certain regards), and will overreact, be neurotic, or helicopter parent. This fucks up kids, IMO. Having seen more in life and being cooler and more even-keeled as a result of that experience will probably create a calm home and thus a much more well adjusted kid.

pony_trekker 10-11-2021 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 531954)
No offense intended, but who would go close enough to get a picture of a baby copperhead? Follow up: why?

1. Photo of baby snake I took today. Isn’t that cute?
2. That’s a baby copperhead.

ETA we weren’t on the path together. And yes I can run faster than she can. And my son but only for distances greater than a mile.

Pretty Little Flower 10-11-2021 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 531956)
Jesus man... That's some cold water on the festivities.

[Why can't I insert a photo of Debbie Downer here?]

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/...e/original.png

Pretty Little Flower 10-11-2021 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 531957)
The chance of two people in your age category succumbing in the next ten years is ridiculously low.

Maybe, maybe not. While RT gives a good analysis of her risk factors, I think the more compelling point is that you just never know. You. Never. Know. I just went to the memorial service of a biking friend who was in his 40s, in fantastic shape, had two young daughters, and succumbed to a blood cancer that killed him about six weeks after diagnosis. Making plans about your life based on what you perceive to be the statistical odds of you living to a certain age strikes me as the wrong way of looking at things. I thought I would live forever. I now know I will not. But RT is having a child because that is what she wants, and that is what she has wanted for a long time. And now it is becoming a reality and that is fantastic, and she is overjoyed and that is fantastic, and I hope they live to be a million years old and get to know their grandchildren and great grandchildren and great great grandchildren. And if for some reason they don’t, well, nobody can predict the future. But right now, here in the present, RT is having a child, and that is fantastic.

Hank Chinaski 10-11-2021 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pony_trekker (Post 531958)
1. Photo of baby snake I took today. Isn’t that cute?
2. That’s a baby copperhead.

ETA we weren’t on the path together. And yes I can run faster than she can. And my son but only for distances greater than a mile.

Did you mean to post a photo?

Hank Chinaski 10-11-2021 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 531960)
Maybe, maybe not. While RT gives a good analysis of her risk factors, I think the more compelling point is that you just never know. You. Never. Know. I just went to the memorial service of a biking friend who was in his 40s, in fantastic shape, had two young daughters, and succumbed to a blood cancer that killed him about six weeks after diagnosis. Making plans about your life based on what you perceive to be the statistical odds of you living to a certain age strikes me as the wrong way of looking at things. I thought I would live forever. I now know I will not. But RT is having a child because that is what she wants, and that is what she has wanted for a long time. And now it is becoming a reality and that is fantastic, and she is overjoyed and that is fantastic, and I hope they live to be a million years old and get to know their grandchildren and great grandchildren and great great grandchildren. And if for some reason they don’t, well, nobody can predict the future. But right now, here in the present, RT is having a child, and that is fantastic.

I am just glad Paigow isn't here to see what you've become:mad::(:confused:

Pretty Little Flower 10-11-2021 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 531962)
I am just glad Paigow isn't here to see what you've become:mad::(:confused:

Paigow is always here. Her spiritual energy runs through each of us in every post we make.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-11-2021 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 531960)
Maybe, maybe not. While RT gives a good analysis of her risk factors, I think the more compelling point is that you just never know. You. Never. Know. I just went to the memorial service of a biking friend who was in his 40s, in fantastic shape, had two young daughters, and succumbed to a blood cancer that killed him about six weeks after diagnosis. Making plans about your life based on what you perceive to be the statistical odds of you living to a certain age strikes me as the wrong way of looking at things. I thought I would live forever. I now know I will not. But RT is having a child because that is what she wants, and that is what she has wanted for a long time. And now it is becoming a reality and that is fantastic, and she is overjoyed and that is fantastic, and I hope they live to be a million years old and get to know their grandchildren and great grandchildren and great great grandchildren. And if for some reason they don’t, well, nobody can predict the future. But right now, here in the present, RT is having a child, and that is fantastic.

Man, this brings a tear to my eyes. This is really serious circle of life shit.

https://allears.net/wp-content/uploa...le-of-life.jpg

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-11-2021 05:45 PM

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I think it's time for LT to take a position. Just say no fuckin way to Shitareli.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1447573756688404486

Hank Chinaski 10-11-2021 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 531963)
Paigow is always here. Her spiritual energy runs through each of us in every post we make.

True story: for a while I was P’s sister’s Facebook friend. On the surface the opposite of her. Suburban mom, sort of well off. But over time it became clear she was way more crazy than Paig’s.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-11-2021 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pony_trekker (Post 531958)
1. Photo of baby snake I took today. Isn’t that cute?
2. That’s a baby copperhead.

ETA we weren’t on the path together. And yes I can run faster than she can. And my son but only for distances greater than a mile.

My wife and I had a joint project of hiking all of a nearby regional park. I had to take the lead because she kept missing the snakes on the trail.

Paisley 10-11-2021 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 531930)
Speaking of rugrats--I'm not really spreading this on other social media quite yet--but after ten years of trying, unglodly amounts of money, lots of awesome science, and a very fertile woman from Florida who gave us 41 eggs (12 fertilized on ice), I'm pregnant with a boy due in March! 17 weeks pregnant right now.

A good hunk of y'all are sending them off and we're just getting started.

Congratulations!!

sebastian_dangerfield 10-12-2021 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 531960)
Maybe, maybe not. While RT gives a good analysis of her risk factors, I think the more compelling point is that you just never know. You. Never. Know. I just went to the memorial service of a biking friend who was in his 40s, in fantastic shape, had two young daughters, and succumbed to a blood cancer that killed him about six weeks after diagnosis. Making plans about your life based on what you perceive to be the statistical odds of you living to a certain age strikes me as the wrong way of looking at things. I thought I would live forever. I now know I will not. But RT is having a child because that is what she wants, and that is what she has wanted for a long time. And now it is becoming a reality and that is fantastic, and she is overjoyed and that is fantastic, and I hope they live to be a million years old and get to know their grandchildren and great grandchildren and great great grandchildren. And if for some reason they don’t, well, nobody can predict the future. But right now, here in the present, RT is having a child, and that is fantastic.

I went to get the most uninteresting and unimportant of health care matters addressed two months ago and subsequently spent a week waiting to be tested for a very, very bad disease.

I'm fine. But the surprises are indeed just that. The disease that had to be ruled out was insanely rare, and what I'd had that mimicked it even more rare.

What will get us is usually not a surprise. But to your broader point, I agree. Data are useful, but they'll also sap your appetite for life. I hear all these pundits pondering why people aren't filling all these empty jobs. It's not unemployment benefits. It's not even lousy pay, though that is significant. I think it's because considering your own mortality as the world has for the past nearly two years, people have said "Fuck this... I'm not going to run on the hamster wheel as The Man and the The Systems, and the reams of data they tell me support living as they want me to live - obediently, helping fatten their wallets - say I must."

Fuck the Protestant Work Ethic. It's a lie sold to service the most pernicious bastardizations of Capitalism. The only currency of consequence is time and experience. One should of course live her life cognizant of the data, but to let it control one like some form of Grand Empirical Master? Fuck that. Life's too short.

Pretty Little Flower 10-13-2021 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 531969)
I went to get the most uninteresting and unimportant of health care matters addressed two months ago and subsequently spent a week waiting to be tested for a very, very bad disease.

I'm fine. But the surprises are indeed just that. The disease that had to be ruled out was insanely rare, and what I'd had that mimicked it even more rare.

What will get us is usually not a surprise. But to your broader point, I agree. Data are useful, but they'll also sap your appetite for life. I hear all these pundits pondering why people aren't filling all these empty jobs. It's not unemployment benefits. It's not even lousy pay, though that is significant. I think it's because considering your own mortality as the world has for the past nearly two years, people have said "Fuck this... I'm not going to run on the hamster wheel as The Man and the The Systems, and the reams of data they tell me support living as they want me to live - obediently, helping fatten their wallets - say I must."

Fuck the Protestant Work Ethic. It's a lie sold to service the most pernicious bastardizations of Capitalism. The only currency of consequence is time and experience. One should of course live her life cognizant of the data, but to let it control one like some form of Grand Empirical Master? Fuck that. Life's too short.

Radical Sebastian is Radical.

https://nomadflag.com/wp-content/upl...onic-image.jpg

Hank Chinaski 10-13-2021 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 531970)

FOH, Che was an idiot. He wasted his life. He hated the man in its suits and ties, but he didn't realize his rebel garb was as much a uniform. And revolution is a fucking full time job, its like billing 4000 hours a year. Fuck that man! Giving all your precious time to help the people? Sebby isn’t a flunky for anyone, man. Sebby's time is for Sebby, not some group.

LessinSF 10-14-2021 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 531971)
FOH, Che was an idiot. He wasted his life. He hated the man in its suits and ties, but he didn't realize his rebel garb was as much a uniform. And revolution is a fucking full time job, its like billing 4000 hours a year. Fuck that man! Giving all your precious time to help the people? Sebby isn’t a flunky for anyone, man. Sebby's time is for Sebby, not some group.

And he was a torturer (and petty thief from people who were kindly to him).

LessinPula, Croatia

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-14-2021 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 531971)
FOH, Che was an idiot. He wasted his life. He hated the man in its suits and ties, but he didn't realize his rebel garb was as much a uniform. And revolution is a fucking full time job, its like billing 4000 hours a year. Fuck that man! Giving all your precious time to help the people? Sebby isn’t a flunky for anyone, man. Sebby's time is for Sebby, not some group.

The CIA called him "fairly intellectual for a Latino".

Likewise, I think we all think Sebby is fairly intellectual for a (something). I'm just not sure what that something is.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-18-2021 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 531971)
FOH, Che was an idiot. He wasted his life. He hated the man in its suits and ties, but he didn't realize his rebel garb was as much a uniform. And revolution is a fucking full time job, its like billing 4000 hours a year. Fuck that man! Giving all your precious time to help the people? Sebby isn’t a flunky for anyone, man. Sebby's time is for Sebby, not some group.

I sincerely have always believed the Protestant Work Ethic, and particularly the Calvinist suggestion that "work is its own reward," preposterous propaganda designed to serve holders of capital and those in political power.

It requires only the most basic rationality to see right through this narrative/control mechanism. Covid appears to have been the shock of recognition that compelled hundreds of millions around the world out of the self-delusion that frenetic busywork (one is far more productive when not wasting time putting on silly corporate casual uniforms and commuting) is virtuous.

I see these two trends irritating the fuck out of the ole men in monogrammed shirts losing their minds about not having all of their staff walking around the floors of their office buildings:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...rating/620382/

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ty-ncna1166861

The second of those links addresses the most important aspect of Covid: Rethinking legacy structures and behaviors.

Why waste time commuting to jobs that don't require it? Why commute when it actually hampers productivity? Why run huge offices with massive carbon footprints just so workers can be seen within them by managers?

(Why does it matter that workers be "seen" working at all? If you give workers tasks, isn't the completion of the task all the proof that's needed?)

Business travel? Everyone likes it now and then... but why is that wasteful expenditure allowed? Other than to provide managers with excuses to see the world?

If it okay to let prisoners out of jail for compassionate release reasons (to avoid dying of Covid), then surely these people are deemed low risk to society. So then why were they jailed for so long in the first place?

If corporate America is truly obsessed with efficiency, and it should be, why do so many legacy behaviors that impede efficiency exist? Maybe because a lot of what we call "work" isn't work at all? Maybe a lot of it is politicking within the office, careerism?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-18-2021 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 531974)
I sincerely have always believed the Protestant Work Ethic, and particularly the Calvinist suggestion that "work is its own reward," preposterous propaganda designed to serve holders of capital and those in political power.

It requires only the most basic rationality to see right through this narrative/control mechanism. Covid appears to have been the shock of recognition that compelled hundreds of millions around the world out of the self-delusion that frenetic busywork (one is far more productive when not wasting time putting on silly corporate casual uniforms and commuting) is virtuous.

I see these two trends irritating the fuck out of the ole men in monogrammed shirts losing their minds about not having all of their staff walking around the floors of their office buildings:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...rating/620382/

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ty-ncna1166861

The second of those links addresses the most important aspect of Covid: Rethinking legacy structures and behaviors.

Why waste time commuting to jobs that don't require it? Why commute when it actually hampers productivity? Why run huge offices with massive carbon footprints just so workers can be seen within them by managers?

(Why does it matter that workers be "seen" working at all? If you give workers tasks, isn't the completion of the task all the proof that's needed?)

Business travel? Everyone likes it now and then... but why is that wasteful expenditure allowed? Other than to provide managers with excuses to see the world?

If it okay to let prisoners out of jail for compassionate release reasons (to avoid dying of Covid), then surely these people are deemed low risk to society. So then why were they jailed for so long in the first place?

If corporate America is truly obsessed with efficiency, and it should be, why do so many legacy behaviors that impede efficiency exist? Maybe because a lot of what we call "work" isn't work at all? Maybe a lot of it is politicking within the office, careerism?

I was with you up to the "business travel" snark.

There will be no questioning of my trips to Thailand, Malta, or Hong Kong on here. Each of those was mission critical. I drank every drink solely for the team.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-18-2021 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 531975)
I was with you up to the "business travel" snark.

There will be no questioning of my trips to Thailand, Malta, or Hong Kong on here. Each of those was mission critical. I drank every drink solely for the team.

I probably should have selected a better example of waste. Business travel is often unnecessary, but it does enrich the traveler in useful ways. A better example of massive waste we can all agree upon would be:
The Giant Steak Dinner With Clients Where Someone Who Doesn't Drink Wine But Thinks He Knows It Conspicuously Orders Lots Of Expensive Wine And All The Appetizers On The Menu
This mindless ritual combines a massive carbon footprint (cow methane) with decrease in productivity (next day's hangover) with near incurable damage to worker morale (realizing just what a goddamn bores your boss and clients really are).

I can make a steak as good as any I can buy at home. In fact, I frequently do. Without cheating by putting butter on it. And steaming vegetable sides isn't exactly high cuisine, unless one enjoys rock-hard asparagus thicker than ski poles.

"Ooooh, a football sized baked potato! With a 14 oz bowl of butter on the side! Heaven! And mac and cheese. Decadence defined!"

Hank Chinaski 10-18-2021 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 531976)
I probably should have selected a better example of waste. Business travel is often unnecessary, but it does enrich the traveler in useful ways. A better example of massive waste we can all agree upon would be:
The Giant Steak Dinner With Clients Where Someone Who Doesn't Drink Wine But Thinks He Knows It Conspicuously Orders Lots Of Expensive Wine And All The Appetizers On The Menu
This mindless ritual combines a massive carbon footprint (cow methane) with decrease in productivity (next day's hangover) with near incurable damage to worker morale (realizing just what a goddamn bores your boss and clients really are).

I can make a steak as good as any I can buy at home. In fact, I frequently do. Without cheating by putting butter on it. And steaming vegetable sides isn't exactly high cuisine, unless one enjoys rock-hard asparagus thicker than ski poles.

"Ooooh, a football sized baked potato! With a 14 oz bowl of butter on the side! Heaven! And mac and cheese. Decadence defined!"

When I was a new GP at my last biglaw my Tier 1 auto supplier client was sold to a mega Tier 1. We also successfully settled a big plaintiff’s case. To celebrate I took the 2 in-house attorneys and the business guy who was head of the division, along with my partner to a very swank out there restaurant. It made sense as they each were going elsewhere and controlled millions in potential lawyer fees.

My partner had recently come back to Detroit from a few years working in wine country. During the course of a very liquid dinner I heard him chatting up the Sommelier, “$250 per bottle? That’s a great price for that wine.”

I thought he was just talking shop, but turns out that is what we were drinking. And it’s on my firm card. The bill was like $2000, $1250 for wine.

And I’m thinking do I tip 20%? There is no difference in work from bringing out a $50 bottle or a $250 bottle, right? But in the end I tipped 20%. And like I said, it did make sense to wine and dine those 3.

The next week our passive aggressive CEO sent out a firm wide email:

“Be wise with your firm expenses. Do you really think a client will send you work because you bought a $100 bottle of wine instead of. $50 bottle?”

I went to her office and explained that I had no idea what partner was ordering. She said she wasn’t writing about me. We had another partner that had a standing reservation each month at the most expensive restaurant around here. He’d take random people where he had some plausible reason why the person might be able to send work.

I was in awe of the gall.

Icky Thump 10-19-2021 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 531975)
I was with you up to the "business travel" snark.

There will be no questioning of my trips to Thailand, Malta, or Hong Kong on here. Each of those was mission critical. I drank every drink solely for the team.

Can't justify travel any more. For me the cases are equivalent when the meetings and deps are virtual. I am currently doing an inventory of my travel cards and figuring which one makes the cut. I can justify a card that lets me in all the United Clubs when I am traveling once a week. Once a year, not so much.

Icky Thump 10-19-2021 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 531974)
I sincerely have always believed the Protestant Work Ethic, and particularly the Calvinist suggestion that "work is its own reward," preposterous propaganda designed to serve holders of capital and those in political power.

It requires only the most basic rationality to see right through this narrative/control mechanism. Covid appears to have been the shock of recognition that compelled hundreds of millions around the world out of the self-delusion that frenetic busywork (one is far more productive when not wasting time putting on silly corporate casual uniforms and commuting) is virtuous.

I see these two trends irritating the fuck out of the ole men in monogrammed shirts losing their minds about not having all of their staff walking around the floors of their office buildings:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...rating/620382/

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ty-ncna1166861

The second of those links addresses the most important aspect of Covid: Rethinking legacy structures and behaviors.

Why waste time commuting to jobs that don't require it? Why commute when it actually hampers productivity? Why run huge offices with massive carbon footprints just so workers can be seen within them by managers?

(Why does it matter that workers be "seen" working at all? If you give workers tasks, isn't the completion of the task all the proof that's needed?)

Business travel? Everyone likes it now and then... but why is that wasteful expenditure allowed? Other than to provide managers with excuses to see the world?

If it okay to let prisoners out of jail for compassionate release reasons (to avoid dying of Covid), then surely these people are deemed low risk to society. So then why were they jailed for so long in the first place?

If corporate America is truly obsessed with efficiency, and it should be, why do so many legacy behaviors that impede efficiency exist? Maybe because a lot of what we call "work" isn't work at all? Maybe a lot of it is politicking within the office, careerism?

It's all about the optics. Who gets the parade at work? The guy who spends 5 months and a million dollars in expenses on trial (while announcing it every day) to get a verdict but the company files CH11 the next day? Or the guy who quietly recovers $20 million dollars in actual money for a single person plaintiff but doesn't sing about it?

Hank Chinaski 10-19-2021 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 531979)
It's all about the optics. Who gets the parade at work? The guy who spends 5 months and a million dollars in expenses on trial (while announcing it every day) to get a verdict but the company files CH11 the next day? Or the guy who quietly recovers $20 million dollars in actual money for a single person plaintiff but doesn't sing about it?

How does a PI firm handle a lawyer running up expenses that aren't collected?

pony_trekker 10-19-2021 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 531980)
How does a PI firm handle a lawyer running up expenses that aren't collected?

They eat them. They can because some dipshit made the firm
$7 mil in fees for one case.

Replaced_Texan 10-20-2021 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 531977)
When I was a new GP at my last biglaw my Tier 1 auto supplier client was sold to a mega Tier 1. We also successfully settled a big plaintiff’s case. To celebrate I took the 2 in-house attorneys and the business guy who was head of the division, along with my partner to a very swank out there restaurant. It made sense as they each were going elsewhere and controlled millions in potential lawyer fees.

My partner had recently come back to Detroit from a few years working in wine country. During the course of a very liquid dinner I heard him chatting up the Sommelier, “$250 per bottle? That’s a great price for that wine.”

I thought he was just talking shop, but turns out that is what we were drinking. And it’s on my firm card. The bill was like $2000, $1250 for wine.

And I’m thinking do I tip 20%? There is no difference in work from bringing out a $50 bottle or a $250 bottle, right? But in the end I tipped 20%. And like I said, it did make sense to wine and dine those 3.

The next week our passive aggressive CEO sent out a firm wide email:

“Be wise with your firm expenses. Do you really think a client will send you work because you bought a $100 bottle of wine instead of. $50 bottle?”

I went to her office and explained that I had no idea what partner was ordering. She said she wasn’t writing about me. We had another partner that had a standing reservation each month at the most expensive restaurant around here. He’d take random people where he had some plausible reason why the person might be able to send work.

I was in awe of the gall.

This sort of thing does not happen in inhouse state agencies. At least where I am. Hell, people get fired for accepting baseball tickets from vendors.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-20-2021 11:16 AM

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When I was a new GP at my last biglaw my Tier 1 auto supplier client was sold to a mega Tier 1. We also successfully settled a big plaintiff’s case. To celebrate I took the 2 in-house attorneys and the business guy who was head of the division, along with my partner to a very swank out there restaurant. It made sense as they each were going elsewhere and controlled millions in potential lawyer fees.

My partner had recently come back to Detroit from a few years working in wine country. During the course of a very liquid dinner I heard him chatting up the Sommelier, “$250 per bottle? That’s a great price for that wine.”

I thought he was just talking shop, but turns out that is what we were drinking. And it’s on my firm card. The bill was like $2000, $1250 for wine.

And I’m thinking do I tip 20%? There is no difference in work from bringing out a $50 bottle or a $250 bottle, right? But in the end I tipped 20%. And like I said, it did make sense to wine and dine those 3.

The next week our passive aggressive CEO sent out a firm wide email:

“Be wise with your firm expenses. Do you really think a client will send you work because you bought a $100 bottle of wine instead of. $50 bottle?”

I went to her office and explained that I had no idea what partner was ordering. She said she wasn’t writing about me. We had another partner that had a standing reservation each month at the most expensive restaurant around here. He’d take random people where he had some plausible reason why the person might be able to send work.

I was in awe of the gall.


In case anyone is wondering, I am indeed more likely to send you work if you buy the $100 bottle of wine ($250 one is good too, but the jump from $50 to $100 in wine is mostly about quality and the jump from $100 to $250 is mostly about status and snobbery), but, Sebby is right, the steakhouse will do nothing for me and seems a profligate waste.

Also, none of that California shit. Ideally, a nice 1999 Ch. Musar.

It's all about knowing people's preferences for waste.

As to wasteful business expenses, the key really is that waste should be shared, because everyone enjoys partaking of something wasteful now and then. Whether it be the private box, the nice wine, the fancy dinner... make sure you cut your support staff in on some of the waste, be generous with your profligacy. Let everyone have their piece of the waste.

Hank Chinaski 10-20-2021 03:31 PM

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This sort of thing does not happen in inhouse state agencies. At least where I am. Hell, people get fired for accepting baseball tickets from vendors.

At most big corporations too, today. I haven't been in big law for over 20 years. This same client is quite different now.

Like I have 5 admins that work closely with their two admins- one is in Illinois and one in CT. I thought it would great if they could all meet in person, so i proposed to the patent counsel that my firm would fly their two admins to Michigan for a day to meet. Way more practical then fly my 5 admins to IL and then CT.

Patent Counsel agreed it would be good for them to meet, but noted doing it would violate their policy against accepting what could be seen as something that could be seen as a bribe (whatever the term is). Understand, he took a trip to Detroit as being something that would be seen as a positive.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-20-2021 05:52 PM

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It's all about the optics. Who gets the parade at work? The guy who spends 5 months and a million dollars in expenses on trial (while announcing it every day) to get a verdict but the company files CH11 the next day? Or the guy who quietly recovers $20 million dollars in actual money for a single person plaintiff but doesn't sing about it?

I've never met you, but I suspect we'd bond well in re: work ethic.

I can do office politics. I've been forced to get into all sorts of Machiavellian shenanigans and self-promoting shite. But I fucking hate it.

I view work in large organizations as a place of McFriends, and McPeers -- people and groups I interact with solely for the purpose of getting money I could use to live my actual life around organically-derived friends outside the office.

Every year I'd bitch about having posted crazy numbers, but still getting the same bonus as others with lesser results. In the end, I was kinda the sucker at the table, just a bit. If one can prance and preen and fake it to the top, he's probably smarter, or at least more shrewd, than people like me.

Those "actors" help flesh out the lie that the job is the brass ring, rather than an ATM one uses to get the actual brass ring (liquidity adequate to quit and live comfortably early on in life). People who just churn out numbers and openly despise the place are mercenaries. And management knows it.

I've never worked for anyone who wasn't absolutely certain that if I'd inherited a shit ton of money or won the lottery, I would quit in an instant. Being a better bullshitter might've been more lucrative.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-20-2021 05:59 PM

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How does a PI firm handle a lawyer running up expenses that aren't collected?

Happens all the time. The guy running the costs is often not only bullshitting about how great his work is, but also the likelihood of success (winning and collecting, or settling well) of the case.

Churner is crunching through solid but unsexy cases with high likelihood of significant and early fee realization. Promoter is talking about all the neat theories and arguments and goings on in his case. What he's never talking is exactly how much the dollars are going to likely be and when exactly they're likely to arrive.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-20-2021 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 531983)
As to wasteful business expenses, the key really is that waste should be shared, because everyone enjoys partaking of something wasteful now and then. Whether it be the private box, the nice wine, the fancy dinner... make sure you cut your support staff in on some of the waste, be generous with your profligacy. Let everyone have their piece of the waste.

Or just bonus them out of the blue. YMMV, but in the few experiences where I managed numbers of people, in and out of law, I found that small bonuses here and there - just little reminders that management appreciates the work and will share - drive up morale.

It's also a nice feeling. If you have a good quarter and there's some cash sitting around, share some of it. A lot of employers are learning just how little loyalty employees had to them since Covid started. Maybe these whining managers should have treated their people a little bit better.

I see very little difference between people who use leverage to pay workers like shit and people who treat the wait staff poorly. Those people suck all the dicks, and they deserve all the wage inflation our current period of post-Covid inflation is going to stick up their asses.

Replaced_Texan 10-20-2021 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 531987)
Or just bonus them out of the blue. YMMV, but in the few experiences where I managed numbers of people, in and out of law, I found that small bonuses here and there - just little reminders that management appreciates the work and will share - drive up morale.

It's also a nice feeling. If you have a good quarter and there's some cash sitting around, share some of it. A lot of employers are learning just how little loyalty employees had to them since Covid started. Maybe these whining managers should have treated their people a little bit better.

I see very little difference between people who use leverage to pay workers like shit and people who treat the wait staff poorly. Those people suck all the dicks, and they deserve all the wage inflation our current period of post-Covid inflation is going to stick up their asses.

I am totally here for this sort of thing:

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Hank Chinaski 10-20-2021 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 531986)
Happens all the time. The guy running the costs is often not only bullshitting about how great his work is, but also the likelihood of success (winning and collecting, or settling well) of the case.

Churner is crunching through solid but unsexy cases with high likelihood of significant and early fee realization. Promoter is talking about all the neat theories and arguments and goings on in his case. What he's never talking is exactly how much the dollars are going to likely be and when exactly they're likely to arrive.

Sure. But a case comes in with $1M in expenses and nothing collected although the D offered $2m to settle. There is no penalty to the GP that made that choice?

Icky Thump 10-21-2021 12:44 PM

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TBH, I have just blocked those numbers and said I lost my phone in a cab and don't have a new one.

Icky Thump 10-21-2021 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 531989)
Sure. But a case comes in with $1M in expenses and nothing collected although the D offered $2m to settle. There is no penalty to the GP that made that choice?

Well, being that the settlement offer was https://c.tenor.com/_fjRxK385esAAAAC...hn-belushi.gif makes it easier. But you don't have to spend a million bucks to get zero in the end.

Icky Thump 10-21-2021 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 531987)
Or just bonus them out of the blue. YMMV, but in the few experiences where I managed numbers of people, in and out of law, I found that small bonuses here and there - just little reminders that management appreciates the work and will share - drive up morale.

It's also a nice feeling. If you have a good quarter and there's some cash sitting around, share some of it. A lot of employers are learning just how little loyalty employees had to them since Covid started. Maybe these whining managers should have treated their people a little bit better.

I see very little difference between people who use leverage to pay workers like shit and people who treat the wait staff poorly. Those people suck all the dicks, and they deserve all the wage inflation our current period of post-Covid inflation is going to stick up their asses.

Agreed. Like getting a picture of the boss's new yacht or G5 is a great perk.

Hank Chinaski 10-21-2021 05:16 PM

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My Harvard education taught me to treat staff better than that.


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