Hamilton's thoughts
 

The Right reserves the right to always be right, even when they're hoist higher than the Chrysler Building on their own petard.

White flag?
 

If I were one of Carnegie's kids, I'd have had him stuffed and used for archery practice after that shit he pulled. Why people still applaud that hollow abominable attempt to make amends for a liftetime spent fucking and screwing people people in business is baffling. In my view, the man fucked everyone he met on the way up tha ladder, and for a signature move, tried to buy his way to heaven by pushing his kids off the top. Maybe that worked for Abraham, but if there is an afterlife, my guess is, Carnegie is giving Idi Amin his brunch blow job right about now...

Mr. Kristol just doesn't get it.......
 

I'm surprised Kristol gets anything. The man's career is built on the coattails of his father, who's "geopolitical masterwork" was floating the idea that we should try Manifest Destiny on a global scale. He hasn't had an original thought in his fucking life. If he hadn't the luck of his last name, he'd be a goddamned number cruncher somewhere in a basement, spending his evenings clipping nose hair and jerking off to Paris Hilton.

And while I'm at it, watch the Hollinger board investigation. I am waiting to see them filet Richard Perle for accepting all sorts of improper fees and loans. May he be raped regularly, and wider than a firehose socket, in jail.

White flag?
 

I agree with all that. It's just that, unlike Penske, I don't claim to be omniscient.

Hamilton's thoughts
 

He breached.

Hamilton's thoughts
 

Not in my case. I have been on public record for a long time as having a similar conversion (at least in the sense of support to non-support) with Bush I.

Hamilton's thoughts
 

Nothing in Hamilton's work or my sentence indicated an attempt to misguide. MY statement was one of subjective judgment. As for Bush's judgment on her qualifications, on his press conference statements alone, that judgment is obviously born out of a spirit of favouritism and personal attachment to him, which is exactly what Hamilton is cautioning against. I pray the Senate does its duty (unlike their sad abdication of the same in Clinton's impeachment trial).

White flag?
 

Dissent. I make no such claims, but at a base level, I do know right from wrong. The lack of such distinction by the Demos is what puts them out of touch with the common patriotic man and woman in America.

White flag?
 

I don't know that I agree with that. I think you may have your idea of what is right and wrong; we just disagree about what right and wrong are. You also display an incredible lack of ability to distinguish persons from your stereotypes.

White flag?
 

Its that type of moral relativism that the Dems have tried to dumbdown on our nation with their spikey kool-aid and which leads to murderers, rapists, perjurers and Klansman as the leaders of the Demo party. Sad.

White flag?
 

It's this kind of post that leads me to conclude that you are a complete fucking asshole.

Hi Ty!
 

Apparently Luttig and Harryette Miers are doing battle in the blogosphere. This "paper trail" can't help her nomination.

White flag?
 

I don't understand the level of your reaction.

1. We already concluded I was an arsehole.

2. An assertion that right and wrong is subjective is moral relativism. I assert that our inability as a nation to recognize and acknowledge that there are moral absolutes is a failing and turning every moral and socio-political analysis into a grey zone is detrimental.

3. You are not a leader of the Demo party, so nothing in there is directed at you personally.

4. The accusations are at least arguably based in fact, albeit disputed: (i) Certainly at the least in some jurisdictions Kennedy would have been tried for manslaughter. Maybe murder, depending on his intent. Its hard to know what it was because the Kennedy family corrupted the process, but its indisputable that he attempted to coerce his cousin to lie for him and take the blame, which is indicative of a guilty conscience. And MJK died (Ted lied, Mary Jo died). And TK is a leader of the dem party; (ii) Clinton is a perjurer, there is no question there and a leader of the party; (iii) Byrd was Klan Kleagle and a Grand Cyclops who made incredibly racist comments at an age when he was older than young Master Coltrane is now. And he is a leader of the Dem party; and (iv) Clinton has been accused of rape, and sexual harassment/battery by at least two women (Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey), and I believe that there were other "allegations" of the same type of illegal sex crime acts on his part from some of the other Jane Does 1-7 that were deposed in the Jones case. Not a proven rapist, but the fix was in. time and again.

White flag?
 

I think it is a mistake to take him too seriously, especially when you consider that the post you're commenting on came in response to a post accusing him of stereotyping.

S_A_M

White flag?
 

It's odd that as soon as I move to the left a bit, and even throw my support behind a dimwitted Senator Cantwell, that the really long knives of vitriolic politics of personal destruction come out.

Is this a manifestation of latent self-loathing from the leftwing?

White flag?
 

Maybe the hate is because they realize that if you did go left, your powers of rhetoric would quickly make you the standard barer for Ty's agenda here. Query: what relevent role would SAM have then?

White flag?
 

In the shadows, no?

White flag?
 

He'd be the back up to Cal Ripken, Jr.

White flag?
 

Would you two please go get a room.

White flag?
 

If Penske would have me, I wouldn't want a room. I'd want the world to know. We'd be way hotter than SS and Slave ever were.

White flag?
 

this type of comment is more appropriate for a PM. Please keep your board chatter to on-topical comments.

White flag?
 

What type of moral relativism are you referring to? I said I had a firm idea of what is right and what is wrong; you and I just disagree on what that is. That means I am right and you are wrong.

As for the rest of that shit you just dribbled out, have you been self-medicating again?

White flag?
 

You complain about moral relativism and yet when some one on your team disappoints you on one issue you get in bed with the enemy. One person may agree with me on nine out of ten of the main issues but I am going to vote for the person that agrees with me on one out of ten of the issues because someone on my team disappointed me? That position is very immature and shows your political naivete and lack of sophistication. You are like Barbara Streisand's character in The Way We Were who thought FDR was perfect.

I am very disappointed in you Penske.

Hi Ty!
 

I guess this answers my earlier question about your self-medicating again.

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 

Let ingredients germinate until 2008 GOP presidential campaign.

Looks like smilin' Roy Moore (of Roy's Rock fame) is running for Governor of Alabama. Apparently, Roy is widly popular in Alabama since gettting kicked off the Ala. Supreme Court, and pundits give him a better than even chance of winning in 2006.

Apparently Roy has been dragging The Rock all over the state and making hay at rallies. Joshua Green in the Atlantic has a long profile on Moore that is simply astonishing.

Some pundits are predicting that if Roy wins for Guv, he'll (a) use it to pick fights with the Feds over religion, much like he has to date, and (b) run for President in 2008. Penske, hold that babyJesus close, because it may not be pretty once Moore does his best to splinter the Republican party.

Sebby, over to you.

White flag?
 

Mental Olestra?

White flag?
 

Yep. Filtered throught the soft, gauzy haze of Halcyon.

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 

I like to think of myself as a firm believer in the separation of Church and State. However, I don't really get the whole removing the rock thing. My issue is that I don't want the bible to be considered a controlling opinion in a legal case. However, it could be used as dicta just like Justininians code is. In addition, I don't want the gov. giving any money to support a church. Paying a church to help the poor I don't mind so much.

But having historical legal codes on display in a court house just does not seem like a big issue to me. What if the Magna Carta was in the court house? Or Justinians Code? Or Hammurabi's code? People misquote the ten commandments all the time. It would be nice if they were around more so people would know what they are talking about.

Am I wrong? Is this a big violation of church and state?

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 

I don't know that it's the biggest violation of church and state I could think of, but among the morass of (occasionally stupid) rulings over what kinds of displays of religion are acceptable on government property (Ok, you can have nativity scene, but you have to include a Xmas tree and a menorah!), posting the 10 Commandments in the courtroom is a pretty easy call to make.

But read the Atlantic article. Moore did this because he believes that the law is brought to us by God, and upgraded his Commandments from a wooden plaque to a big fuckin' piece of granite precisely because he wanted to fight about it.

Gattigap

White flag?
 

My point is that there are some moral absolutes, right and wrong outside of objectivity. The dimwit party leadership sees everything as grey and the liberal rabble rousers in the Media and Hollyweird perpetuate this notion. Maybe you don't drink that strain of kool aid.


which part do you have a problem with, TK as a manslaughterer, Clinton as perjurer, Byrd as a racist or Clinton as a sexual harasser/abuser cum rapist (npi)? this is the part where the dems moral relativism perplexes me. If the CEO of a large company committed the sex crimes of a Clinton, the left wing socialists would be clamouring for his scalp and decrying the behavioural excesses of the capitalist greedmongers, but when Clinton rapes and beats Juanita, he's some kind of romanticised demi-god. Why the reluctance to define rape and sexual harassment or Klan membership as with BYrd as objectively wrong and behaviours we won't tolerate in our leaders?

I hate this administration
 

part 28161

Apparently, if the pandemic breaks out, we're gonna use the military to quarantine people.

Someone forgot to brief the president that that big 'flu pandemic, the one in 1918 that killed my great-grandfather and about 20-40 million other people, was brought to the United States by the fucking military.

Jesus Christ, this fucking administration thinks that the fucking military is the solution to all of our fucking problems. Did he even bother to ask the epidemeologists at the CDC how, oh, I don't know, to control epidemics? Is the military the only part of the government that they're comfortable using?

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 

Well, first off, the Magna Carta isn't from the Bible,or specifically from an organized religion, so it doesn't raise the same issues.

Second, the S. Ct. pretty much agreed with you when it's part of a general display of sources of law.

But when all you have is a huge rock with teh 10 commandments, and nothing else, does that not send the message to litigants that your conduct and case is being judged not on civil law adopted by a democratic process but rather by divine instruction adopted by only some people, and certainly not democratically?

Turn the question around, and I think it's even harder: What was Moore attempting to convey about Alabama's courts by installing the rock? Your answer may not include a religious justification.

I hate this administration
 

Random thoughts --

On the flipside, it's apparently the only part of the Federal Government not run by some Bush college buddy. I agree that it's not the right tool for every problem, but I can see why he sees this as a nail best served by the only hammer he's held for the last 5 years.

And, I'm at least encouraged to see the story get out in the media to get discussed prior to an outbreak instead of after. Jon Stewart had some expert dude on TDS a week or two ago talking about the abysmal state of preparation of Fed, State, Local govt for anything. Katrina, Rita, terrorism, bird flu, etc. When Stewart said, "but we're working on it, right?" and the dude just shrugged, I thought Stewart was gonna have a seizure.

I thought A Handmaid's Tale was supposed to be fiction.

ETA: summary of objectional parts of the law if you don't want to wade through the bill

White flag?
 

Hmmmmm. I liked Barbara Streisand in TWWW, but I see your point. Perhaps I was hasty.

I will commune with the babyjesuschristsuperstar to seek guidance.

Like Arnold, I will be back.

White flag?
 

Whiff!

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 

You are right, this is the dumbing down of our nation's moral core and cultural history by the left.

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 

Penske, I'm glad that you agree with Roy. The man is truly your soulmate.

From the Atlantic article:

• He went into an attack on his ideological opponents, his voice rising in anger. "Separation of church and state does not mean separation of God and government!" he said, and was stopped by applause. As Moore continued, his face became stern and then angry, and his voice was a roar. "'Be ye horribly afraid,'" he thundered, quoting from the second chapter of Jeremiah, "'for my people have committed two evils: they have forsaken Me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.' Our schools, our political institutions, are not holding water today, because we've tried to construct them without God! We've been deceived by a government that tells us we cannot worship God—contradictory to history, contradictory to law, and contradictory to logic. And we bow down. Shall we bow down?" Cries of "No!" cascaded from the rafters.
  
  Then Moore downshifted, his voice growing solemn once more, and he demonstrated another rhetorical flourish common to the Founding Fathers: he shared his poetry.
  
  "We're fighting wars all over this globe, it sometimes seems," he said. "We're fighting one in Iraq today." A beatific smile came over his face.
  
  "And we face another war
  Fought not upon some distant shore,
  Nor against a foe that you can see,
  But one as ruthless as can be.
  It will take your life and your children too,
  And say there's nothing you can do.
  It will make you think that wrong is right,
  Is but a sign to stand and fight.
  And though we face the wrath of Hell,
  Against those gates we shall prevail.
  In homes in schools across our land,
  It's time for Christians to take a stand,
  And when our work on this earth is done,
  And the battle is over and the victory is won,
  When through all the earth His praise will ring,
  And all the heavenly angels sing,
  It will be enough just to see His son,
  And hear him say 'My child, well done.
  'You've kept my faith so strong and true,
  'I knew that I could count on you.'"
  
  As he finished, the crowd rose to its feet and broke into a chorus of "God Bless America."

We'll look for you in Mobile, Penske. Remember to wear your little babyjesus pin.

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 

Yes, you are, and yes, it is.


The Ten Commandments is not a "historical legal code." It is religious doctrine. I realize Repubs get confused on this.

I hate this administration
 

Well, after the job they've done in Iraq, can you blame the Admin for feeling that way?