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Sidd Finch 10-04-2005 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I thought A Handmaid's Tale was supposed to be fiction.

ETA: summary of objectional parts of the law if you don't want to wade through the bill
If you have to be married to be a mother, are they going to force you to have an abortion if you are single or get divorced?

Penske_Account 10-04-2005 07:07 PM

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Penske, I'm glad that you agree with Roy. The man is truly your soulmate.

From the Atlantic article:
  • He went into an attack on his ideological opponents, his voice rising in anger. "Separation of church and state does not mean separation of God and government!" he said, and was stopped by applause. As Moore continued, his face became stern and then angry, and his voice was a roar. "'Be ye horribly afraid,'" he thundered, quoting from the second chapter of Jeremiah, "'for my people have committed two evils: they have forsaken Me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.' Our schools, our political institutions, are not holding water today, because we've tried to construct them without God! We've been deceived by a government that tells us we cannot worship God—contradictory to history, contradictory to law, and contradictory to logic. And we bow down. Shall we bow down?" Cries of "No!" cascaded from the rafters.

    Then Moore downshifted, his voice growing solemn once more, and he demonstrated another rhetorical flourish common to the Founding Fathers: he shared his poetry.

    "We're fighting wars all over this globe, it sometimes seems," he said. "We're fighting one in Iraq today." A beatific smile came over his face.

    "And we face another war
    Fought not upon some distant shore,
    Nor against a foe that you can see,
    But one as ruthless as can be.
    It will take your life and your children too,
    And say there's nothing you can do.
    It will make you think that wrong is right,
    Is but a sign to stand and fight.
    And though we face the wrath of Hell,
    Against those gates we shall prevail.
    In homes in schools across our land,
    It's time for Christians to take a stand,
    And when our work on this earth is done,
    And the battle is over and the victory is won,
    When through all the earth His praise will ring,
    And all the heavenly angels sing,
    It will be enough just to see His son,
    And hear him say 'My child, well done.
    'You've kept my faith so strong and true,
    'I knew that I could count on you.'"

    As he finished, the crowd rose to its feet and broke into a chorus of "God Bless America."

We'll look for you in Mobile, Penske. Remember to wear your little babyjesus pin.
I'm a Yankee. I don't go to south, but I respect their cultural integrity, as long as they keep it to themselves.

Penske_Account 10-04-2005 07:09 PM

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yes, you are, and yes, it is.


The Ten Commandments is not a "historical legal code." It is religious doctrine. I realize Repubs get confused on this.
And our laws and culture are not in part based on that "doctrine"?

Surely our monetary system is, or at least a trust in the leadership behind that doctrine.

NotFromHere 10-04-2005 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I thought A Handmaid's Tale was supposed to be fiction.

ETA: summary of objectional parts of the law if you don't want to wade through the bill
That can't be right, can it? Pregnancy other than by intercourse? What are they going to do - inspect all the turkey basters? That makes no sense? And if they do determine you've done the turkey baster, is it a fine?

Gattigap 10-04-2005 07:24 PM

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I'm a Yankee. I don't go to south, but I respect their cultural integrity, as long as they keep it to themselves.
Too late, Penske. Smilin' Roy has a Plan. A Plan to bring Alabama-style christianity even to your corner of hippy-dippie coffee-drinkin' Seattle.

Personally, I think we can thank your babyjesus for a small part of this.

Sidd Finch 10-04-2005 07:31 PM

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
And our laws and culture are not in part based on that "doctrine"?

Surely our monetary system is, or at least a trust in the leadership behind that doctrine.
Our currency does, indeed, say "In God We Trust."

That may explain why judges are generally not supposed to decide cases by flipping a coin.

Shape Shifter 10-04-2005 07:33 PM

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Our currency does, indeed, say "In God We Trust."

That may explain why judges are generally not supposed to decide cases by flipping a coin.
I think it also explains the faith-based fiscal policies of this administration.

Sidd Finch 10-04-2005 07:35 PM

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I think it also explains the faith-based fiscal policies of this administration.
Damn! You win.

Penske_Account 10-04-2005 07:38 PM

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Too late, Penske. Smilin' Roy has a Plan. A Plan to bring Alabama-style christianity even to your corner of hippy-dippie coffee-drinkin' Seattle.

Personally, I think we can thank your babyjesus for a small part of this.
Dissent. My assumption is, before that happens (and within the current century), the USA will break apart, into smaller regional parts, with some loose confederation based on a common monetary system and defence et al, which I tend to view as a good thing. It is an appropriate solution to the growing cultural disparities.

Although, as I have stated, at some point I will probably renounce my citisenship and move back to the native lands of my ancestors, assuming that the Islamics have not conquered the same.

Penske_Account 10-04-2005 08:23 PM

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I think it also explains the faith-based fiscal policies of this administration.
I would respond with a flame, but given that I know that you anonymously donated the money that Bush's tax cuts netted you back to the Fed Gov't to help reduce the deficit, on principle, my hands are tied.

dtb 10-04-2005 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
If you have to be married to be a mother, are they going to force you to have an abortion if you are single or get divorced?
Hmmm.

What if a woman is married, but not to the child's father?

The possibilities are endless.

Spanky 10-04-2005 08:34 PM

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
I don't know that it's the biggest violation of church and state I could think of, but among the morass of (occasionally stupid) rulings over what kinds of displays of religion are acceptable on government property (Ok, you can have nativity scene, but you have to include a Xmas tree and a menorah!), posting the 10 Commandments in the courtroom is a pretty easy call to make.

But read the Atlantic article. Moore did this because he believes that the law is brought to us by God, and upgraded his Commandments from a wooden plaque to a big fuckin' piece of granite precisely because he wanted to fight about it.

Gattigap
Sounds like the right call. I think our rights come from a higher power, but laws? I hate to think that my traffic fines are determined by God.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-04-2005 08:53 PM

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account

Surely our monetary system is, or at least a trust in the leadership behind that doctrine.
It's remarkable that our entire monetary system didn't collapse before 1957. Why did anyone bother with that worthless scrip?

Penske_Account 10-04-2005 08:53 PM

DING!
 
Senator Sam Brownback says he and other conservatives have ``a great deal of skepticism'' about Harriet Miers, President Bush's latest nominee for the Supreme Court.

The Kansas Republican is disappointed Bush did not pick a candidate with more of a track record. He had urged Bush to nominate someone who opposes the Roe vs. Wade decision legalizing abortion.

Brownback compared the nomination of Miers -- Bush's White House counsel -- to that of Supreme Court Justice David Souter. Souter was nominated to the high court by the first President Bush and was believed to be a conservative, but he later turned out to be liberal on the bench.

Brownback is a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee.


If Brownie dings her, the bottom will fall out fast. Pray it so, please babyjesuschristsuperstar.

Penske_Account 10-04-2005 08:54 PM

Take one (1) Roy Moore. Add Rock. Elect Governor.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
It's remarkable that our entire monetary system didn't collapse before 1957. Why did anyone bother with that worthless scrip?
the babyjesus works in mysterious ways.

ltl/fb 10-04-2005 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
If you have to be married to be a mother, are they going to force you to have an abortion if you are single or get divorced?
If you get pregnant by fucking, you aren't in violation of the law.

It's a Class B misdemeanor. I don't know what that means.

I think it's pretty funny that the intended parents of people involved in assisted reproduction have to pass the adoption placement tests -- usu people who can afford to have assisted reproduction are pretty well off and really WANT the kid, unlike people who get pregnant by accident from fucking.

Hank Chinaski 10-04-2005 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by dtb
Hmmm.

What if a woman is married, but not to the child's father?

The possibilities are endless.
ixnay. P's having a hard enough time with the Supreme Court thing w/o reminding him he taught two of my biological kids to shoot a rifle, not to mention they suckled his wife (mommy). Plus, he's on the hook for tuition.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-04-2005 08:59 PM

DING!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account


If Brownie dings her, the bottom will fall out fast. Pray it so, please babyjesuschristsuperstar.
I don't disagree with your assessment, but why do you think the political calculus will change? He doesn't have the energy or capital for a fight over a hard-right candidate. If was going to fight that fight he would have started it already.

Penske_Account 10-04-2005 09:05 PM

DING!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I don't disagree with your assessment, but why do you think the political calculus will change? He doesn't have the energy or capital for a fight over a hard-right candidate. If was going to fight that fight he would have started it already.
What's different is that the right has it made it clear what the calculus is to get the votes in 06 and 08. And the 55 Rs plus Red State's vulnerable Ds up in 06 have had their wake up call. Plus once the inexperienced jurist is dinged on that basis, it will be harder to sell dinging the experienced jurist. Maybe it really is a strateregic plan by Bush..........hmmmmmm.......

Penske_Account 10-04-2005 11:29 PM

A Sign?
 
BREAKING.......

By 1979, Harriet Miers, then in her mid-30s, had accomplished what some people take a lifetime to achieve. She was a partner at Locke Purnell Boren Laney & Neely, one of the most prestigious law firms in the South.

But she still felt something was missing in her life.

The NEW YORK TIMES is set to splash the "something" on Page Ones on Wednesday, newsroom sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

"She decided that she wanted faith to be a bigger part of her life," Hecht said. "One evening she called me to her office and said she was ready to make a commitment," to accept the babyJesusChristsuperstar as her savior and be born again, Hecht said. Miers became an evangelical Christian and began identifying more with the Republican Party than with the Democrats who had long held sway over Texas politics.


MORE TO FOLLOW.........

spookyfish 10-05-2005 10:23 AM

A Sign?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
BREAKING.......

By 1979, Harriet Miers, then in her mid-30s, had accomplished what some people take a lifetime to achieve. She was a partner at Locke Purnell Boren Laney & Neely, one of the most prestigious law firms in the South.

But she still felt something was missing in her life.

The NEW YORK TIMES is set to splash the "something" on Page Ones on Wednesday, newsroom sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

"She decided that she wanted faith to be a bigger part of her life," Hecht said. "One evening she called me to her office and said she was ready to make a commitment," to accept the babyJesusChristsuperstar as her savior and be born again, Hecht said. Miers became an evangelical Christian and began identifying more with the Republican Party than with the Democrats who had long held sway over Texas politics.


MORE TO FOLLOW.........
Sign of what? The apocalypse?

Penske_Account 10-05-2005 10:52 AM

A Sign?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by spookyfish
Sign of what? The apocalypse?
Rapture. Or the imminent demise of Roe v. Wade.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-05-2005 10:54 AM

DING!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
What's different is that the right has it made it clear what the calculus is to get the votes in 06 and 08. And the 55 Rs plus Red State's vulnerable Ds up in 06 have had their wake up call. Plus once the inexperienced jurist is dinged on that basis, it will be harder to sell dinging the experienced jurist. Maybe it really is a strateregic plan by Bush..........hmmmmmm.......
Even Clinton didn't intentionally sell out his cronies. He just abandoned them when it became politically a problem (Zoe Baird, Lani Guinier, etc.)

The problem with the far right is that there's no credible threat to vote differently. The only threat is to stay home. So all that means is that the moderates are the ones up for grabs. It moves the Rs back to the center. If the babyjesusRs say "fuck you" then the rest of the Rs say "fuck you back, we'll go back to grab the moderates with budget-cutting, limited gov't policies" Maybe they can do it, maybe not, but it doesn't help your babyjesus.

Replaced_Texan 10-05-2005 11:27 AM

A Sign?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
BREAKING.......

By 1979, Harriet Miers, then in her mid-30s, had accomplished what some people take a lifetime to achieve. She was a partner at Locke Purnell Boren Laney & Neely, one of the most prestigious law firms in the South.

But she still felt something was missing in her life.

The NEW YORK TIMES is set to splash the "something" on Page Ones on Wednesday, newsroom sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

"She decided that she wanted faith to be a bigger part of her life," Hecht said. "One evening she called me to her office and said she was ready to make a commitment," to accept the babyJesusChristsuperstar as her savior and be born again, Hecht said. Miers became an evangelical Christian and began identifying more with the Republican Party than with the Democrats who had long held sway over Texas politics.


MORE TO FOLLOW.........
You know, you need to stop worrying about the babyjesus, and be more concerned about what's going on in your own backyard. How could you let this happen? A fucking tip jar?

Hank Chinaski 10-05-2005 11:30 AM

A Sign?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
You know, you need to stop worrying about the babyjesus, and be more concerned about what's going on in your own backyard. How could you let this happen? A fucking tip jar?
Given Penske's guilt issues the 4 foot rule will actually help him, and the no tipping thing is real icing.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-05-2005 11:40 AM

DING!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Senator Sam Brownback says he and other conservatives have ``a great deal of skepticism'' about Harriet Miers, President Bush's latest nominee for the Supreme Court.

The Kansas Republican is disappointed Bush did not pick a candidate with more of a track record. He had urged Bush to nominate someone who opposes the Roe vs. Wade decision legalizing abortion.

Brownback compared the nomination of Miers -- Bush's White House counsel -- to that of Supreme Court Justice David Souter. Souter was nominated to the high court by the first President Bush and was believed to be a conservative, but he later turned out to be liberal on the bench.

Brownback is a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee.


If Brownie dings her, the bottom will fall out fast. Pray it so, please babyjesuschristsuperstar.
How? Brownback and his partner in crime, Coburn, are marginalized lunatics. Even in their own party, they're considered fringe elements, no matter how much centrist psoturing they've done lately. Brownback should run for Pres. I need a fucking laugh.

Replaced_Texan 10-05-2005 12:43 PM

Ya'll really don't like states' rights at all, do you?

(eta: fixed link)

sgtclub 10-05-2005 12:48 PM

A Sign?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
BREAKING.......

By 1979, Harriet Miers, then in her mid-30s, had accomplished what some people take a lifetime to achieve. She was a partner at Locke Purnell Boren Laney & Neely, one of the most prestigious law firms in the South.

But she still felt something was missing in her life.

The NEW YORK TIMES is set to splash the "something" on Page Ones on Wednesday, newsroom sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

"She decided that she wanted faith to be a bigger part of her life," Hecht said. "One evening she called me to her office and said she was ready to make a commitment," to accept the babyJesusChristsuperstar as her savior and be born again, Hecht said. Miers became an evangelical Christian and began identifying more with the Republican Party than with the Democrats who had long held sway over Texas politics.


MORE TO FOLLOW.........
I saw this. What a fucking bad job of planting backfill to ease the concerns of the base. So fucking transparent.

sgtclub 10-05-2005 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Ya'll really don't like states' rights at all, do you?
story expired - what was it?

taxwonk 10-05-2005 12:49 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
My point is that there are some moral absolutes, right and wrong outside of objectivity. The dimwit party leadership sees everything as grey and the liberal rabble rousers in the Media and Hollyweird perpetuate this notion. Maybe you don't drink that strain of kool aid.
Some moral absolutes? And you accuse me of being a relativist? Either acknowledge, as you just have, that we are all relativists and stop talking like one of those whackadoos on a street corner with the "Jesus is Coming" sandwich board, or back up your prior posts' assertion: that there is absolute Right and Wrong, and each act is one or the Other.


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which part do you have a problem with, TK as a manslaughterer, Clinton as perjurer, Byrd as a racist or Clinton as a sexual harasser/abuser cum rapist (npi)? this is the part where the dems moral relativism perplexes me. If the CEO of a large company committed the sex crimes of a Clinton, the left wing socialists would be clamouring for his scalp and decrying the behavioural excesses of the capitalist greedmongers, but when Clinton rapes and beats Juanita, he's some kind of romanticised demi-god. Why the reluctance to define rape and sexual harassment or Klan membership as with BYrd as objectively wrong and behaviours we won't tolerate in our leaders?
I have two problems with it.

First, you fail to take into account the fact that there are also bad guys in the Republican Party and that it is just plain wrong to make everybody who disagrees with you guilty by association when you aren't willing to bear the same cross.

Second, the fact that you know me personally, and purport to be a friend, and you know for a fact that I am not a murderer, rapist, or racist, which makes you an asshole.

Penske_Account 10-05-2005 12:54 PM

DING!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Even Clinton didn't intentionally sell out his cronies. He just abandoned them when it became politically a problem (Zoe Baird, Lani Guinier, etc.)

The problem with the far right is that there's no credible threat to vote differently. The only threat is to stay home. So all that means is that the moderates are the ones up for grabs. It moves the Rs back to the center. If the babyjesusRs say "fuck you" then the rest of the Rs say "fuck you back, we'll go back to grab the moderates with budget-cutting, limited gov't policies" Maybe they can do it, maybe not, but it doesn't help your babyjesus.
Other than Bush I riding on Reagan's coattails in 88 against a midget clown from taxachussets with a main campaign plank based on a lie, when was the last time the Republicans won the White House on the backs of the moderate wing of the party. Love em or hate em, the babyjesi hold the keys to the castle. Think about it, without them we would have President Gore now.

Unless there are 4-8M moderate republicans who have been sitting it out or voting dem the last couple of decades.

sgtclub 10-05-2005 12:58 PM

DING!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account

Unless there are 4-8M moderate republicans who have been sitting it out or voting dem the last couple of decades.
I think there are probably 4M in CA alone.

Penske_Account 10-05-2005 01:00 PM

A Sign?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
You know, you need to stop worrying about the babyjesus, and be more concerned about what's going on in your own backyard. How could you let this happen? A fucking tip jar?
1. I'm sort of jaded on the live nude shows;

2. I am more old skool, i.e. I just like to sit back, at a distance and watch. I don't want to talk, I don't want to stuff money in a garter and other than one really drunken night in Chicago a few years ago, I don't do the lapdance thing. As for that one instance, with 20/20 hindsight and soberity as my guide, if I had that grand back, I would order in out-call, get a room at the Four Seasons. Maybe two girls. And use the change to buy a bottle of Opus One.

Although I will say, I have had the displeasure to deal with more than a few of the city council members and hell is too good of a fate for them.

Penske_Account 10-05-2005 01:02 PM

A Sign?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Given Penske's guilt issues the 4 foot rule will actually help him, and the no tipping thing is real icing.
I like the stripper bars in BC. No tips allowed, beers for a toonie and no cover charge. And full nudity. Socialism does have its benefits, no offence.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-05-2005 01:05 PM

DING!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Other than Bush I riding on Reagan's coattails in 88 against a midget clown from taxachussets with a main campaign plank based on a lie, when was the last time the Republicans won the White House on the backs of the moderate wing of the party. Love em or hate em, the babyjesi hold the keys to the castle. Think about it, without them we would have President Gore now.
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In 1984, Reagan won every state except Minnesota. I don't think babyjesus carried Massachusetts for him. So what you're saying is that Bush I and Reagan both won elections without having to pander to baby jesus. And Bush II won one election by doing so.

We'd have president Gore now if one didn't pander to the right. But if one took a different strategy fro the outset, I assess differently where you'd end up. Yes, you'd lose some votes. But right now the assessment apparently is that you'd lose less votes that way than by continuing to pander.

Sidd Finch 10-05-2005 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dtb
Hmmm.

What if a woman is married, but not to the child's father?

The possibilities are endless.

Wrong board, slut.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-05-2005 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Ya'll really don't like states' rights at all, do you?

(eta: fixed link)
That's news? It was an abomination then, and continues to be. But with l'affaire Schiavo and efforts to federalize anti-abortion laws, was there some doubt on this?

Penske_Account 10-05-2005 01:07 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
Some moral absolutes? And you accuse me of being a relativist? Either acknowledge, as you just have, that we are all relativists and stop talking like one of those whackadoos on a street corner with the "Jesus is Coming" sandwich board, or back up your prior posts' assertion: that there is absolute Right and Wrong, and each act is one or the Other.
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I disagree with that. Not everything has to be an abolsute, but I also disagree with the liberals guiding principle that there are no absolutes.

Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk

I have two problems with it.

First, you fail to take into account the fact that there are also bad guys in the Republican Party and that it is just plain wrong to make everybody who disagrees with you guilty by association when you aren't willing to bear the same cross.

Second, the fact that you know me personally, and purport to be a friend, and you know for a fact that I am not a murderer, rapist, or racist, which makes you an asshole.
I am not sure there are Klansman, rapists or murderers at the top of the R party, but welcome the cites.

I don't accuse you of those things and have the appropriate love and respect for you, unless you are secretly a bagman for the Daleys, then all bets are off.

Sidd Finch 10-05-2005 01:10 PM

DING!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I don't disagree with your assessment, but why do you think the political calculus will change? He doesn't have the energy or capital for a fight over a hard-right candidate. If was going to fight that fight he would have started it already.

I think the calculus will change, because if Bush needs to nominate a hard right-winger, instead of just the usual toady, his enslavement to the bible-thumpers will be complete, and apparent.

Please, let it be so.

Sidd Finch 10-05-2005 01:12 PM

A Sign?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
You know, you need to stop worrying about the babyjesus, and be more concerned about what's going on in your own backyard. How could you let this happen? A fucking tip jar?

Understatement of the year:

“It will make the clubs less fun.”


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