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2.

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I love him, but Reagan pandered to the religious right. If you think not, you are either too young to remember or weren't watching closely enough. I cede that in 84 there was less of a need for pandering and in selective states pandering wasn't necessary, but it doesn't change how he got to 84. And the Religious right has more sway now than it did in Reagan's day, thanks in part to Bush and Rove. If the party wants to remake itself and shoot for the WH in 2020, jettisoning the religious right makes sense, but if they want to contest in this decade again, they gotta dance with she who brung em.

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I don't recall ever saying that there are no absolutes. However, in deciding whether or not something is absolute, you are forced to look at everything relatively. The only other alternative is to admit you are drawing lines arbitrarily, which is the height of relativism. Or are you suggesting that you alone have some sort of divine insight, such that your judgment and yours alone is the only one that matters?

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Some day, perhaps you will realize that "I didn't mean you" is really not much of an apology.

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Amen. PTL.

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I doubt I will go either way, but I don't know. Then again, I would sooner sink the cashish into hookers and booze in a nice hotel room than a lapdance (mainly because my one experience proved that my addictive personality is incapable of one, or twenty...or thirty...)

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Assuming that is true, and I am a little skeptical, where are the 4M hiding, NYC?

Interesting to think that the babyjesuschristsuperstar (or I guess, technically, theblessedvirginmarysuperstar) would be totally screwed under this law - his unmarried mother conceived him without intercourse.

(I wish I could take credit for this insight, but I picked it up elsewhere).

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The babyjesus or his dad, as applicable, guides the universal moral compass.

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If you are going to internalise criticism of philosophy or Party Platforms or governance in a political discussion then there is no way to avoid being offended. It's an immature outlook, imnsho. You aren't a party leader and unless I am missing something the heirarchy of the DNC couldn't give a rat's arse as to what you or Wonk think. So what grandiose delusion makes you think that when I criticise them it somehow includes you? Schizophrenics internalise comments directed at others in this way. Perhaps you guys need meds. Maybe fringey can share?

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Apparently Rove disagrees. There's one more presidential election this decade--as of now, the far right is a liability, because it's spending like a drunken sailor while pushing a conservative agenda that has brought strong reaction. The Schiavo matter clearly didn't poll well, outside of a few churches in the south. And now Rs are embarassing eachother by declining to give back bridges to nowhere for which the money could be spent helping the poor in Louisiana. Besides, do you really think that the right will pull the lever for Hillary out of spite in 2008?

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That involves a choice. It requires you to view the Judeo-Christian God as relatively superior to other Gods.

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I would think you would be frightened to realize that Hilary has already figured out that, yes, 4M are hiding in NYC, and a bunch elsewhere as well.

The R's have been lucky that the D's candidates since 2000 have been so utterly unconvincing that they, like Bill Clinton, "get it" and that the moderates matter and will be better served by D's than R's.

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No, I think that they will sit out like they did with her husband. Or vote for some third party candidate if one emerges, like Bauer or Keyes. I am confused as to how the far right/religious right is on a spending spree. I don't think that issue plays with them like the social issues do.

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Exactly.

These "bills" are the Right setting up liberals and moderates. They hope to pass this and then cry when a Court chucks it as unconstitutional following a challenge from some Democratic group. This kind of cheap nonsense will be ending very shortly, as the nation's tolerance for the Right is getting awfully short. Bush is sinking like a stone, and the Right is equated with him. As he goes, they go.

Cheney talked about "death throes of an insurgency in Iraq." He was looking in the wrong direction. I'd say the Religious Right's high water mark has passed. In the coming decades, people disgusted with the nonsense they've seen perpetrated by the few who sseek to rule everyone under their idiot religious rules are going tio start whacking the right with their votes rather than court challenges to absurd bills.

I wonder what the Right will do then? Shit, I know what it will do - it will petition the Courts, and scream about how it needs an activist judiciary to save the nation from moral relativists working at the legislative level. It'll just be a shifting of instrumentality - the Rights using the Courts, the Left/Middle using the legislature. What a comic dance of idiots. Intelligent design? Yeh...

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Perhaps we personalize it because you make the comments to us. You were responding to my post when you characterized "us Demos" as being blah, blah, blah. When you make a comment including me in a group, then you disparage that group, it doesn't really mean much when you then say that you weren't talking about us.

How is what you do qualitatively different that making a disparaging remark about Jews, but then saying, "Not you, Wonk, you're one of the good ones?"

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I don't get this, you think that there are 4M republicans living in NYC but not voting? Or voting D? I am unconvinced, but perhaps some day I will be proven wrong. I still don't see the last time moderates won an election. Maybe Carter, but that's factoring the Watergate backlash. Clinton didn't win because of moderates, he won because of a third party candidate. He didn't get a majority of the vote, either time, not really even close (as say Bush was in 2000). If he relied on moderates, that shows moderates can't carry the day.

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That's moral relativism at the highest level. Which kind of makes your argument full of shit.

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Debating supremacy of competing Gods is like debating whether Spiderman would kick Batman's ass. That a large swath of this or any other country still engages in such debate disproves Evolution pretty soundly. No ape is that dumb.

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I will take issue with your lox. You've screwed up that franchise royally. The Scottish cured stuff is kicking your ass. For shame... you sat on your laurels and look what happened.

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I made the comment about the demo party or dems in general, but it obviously, in context, goes to the leadership or philosophical leaders of the group. You are a member a neither, to the best of my knowledge. When you get into the DNC party leadership then you can take the criticism personally because it may then be directed at you. For now, its directed at the party leaders, the PAC groups that front them and the outward unofficial spokespeople that consult with them, eg Michael Moore. I don't understand how people can defend some of the egregious abuses of these people or vote them and I think its a sad abdication of the power of your vote, but it doesn't make you a murderer or rapist, and I still fail to see, other than via grandiose delusion, how you internalise such comments.

I don't disparage Jews.

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you forgot to say "no offense."

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Dissent. Its divinity.

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I think lawtalkers needs to revisit the issue of your socking. For some reason, you are much less offensive when you post this sort of thing using a sock. Is Juan the Marine still available?

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They didn't hide when Arnold ran.

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Their tender souls will take offence no matter Hank. The demo party leadership has softened their rank and file lemmings up to the point of hyper-sensitivity. If I internalised criticism of BUsh like this, I would have to kill myself in despondency. "Oh I must be stupid, I'm a dummy, I'm a racist, I'm a facist, I'm a liar, I'm a killer, my syntax is garbled, I'm an imperialist, I'm arrogant, I choke on pretzels, I'm a crazy christian, oh woe is me, I'm wounded!!!"

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Ah, but dancing, even with your sister, is forbidden by the Southern Baptist Convention.

Don't despair - you can still rape her, beat her and keep her trapped in a loveless marriage. Shit, you can even force her to risk her health with countless pregnancies. Thats a good way to get rid of her if you don't want her around any more or she gets uppity. And if she calls you on having a small cock, or makes fun of your impotence, you can slap her silly. She won't say shit - your pastor won't hear any woman sassing back her man - the bible forbids it.

I've really denigrated Jesus by calling these people Jesus Freaks. These sanctimonious, insecure, scared gutless abusive fucks don't deserve to prance around under that name.

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The real juan or the sock? the real juan who met with Mr. Thottam in his pre-convict days is probably occupied being an imperialist occupier, no? Juan the Marine the sock was recently re-discovered as an Infirm login and would be available for sale on Infirm. I fear the geographic limitation against it being used here might limit its sale value:(

I can offer Ty@50 for sale on both boards. I would offer my Notbob sock for sale, but that's the only way I can get any Convo from the jeune filles, s'il vous plea.

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What part do you take offence at? The shot at Michael Moore, the implicit shots at Admiral Sean Pean and the Hollyweirdos, the Moveon.org crowd, the Cindy Sheehan crowd? Does it bother you that I don't disparage Jews? Perhaps when I have the cultural and historical maturity of my amis in France and Germany, I will to be anti-semitic, for now I am immature and naive in my outlook, as my Euro pals have told me.

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Why so much blind hate Sebby? You are better than this. The babyjesi love you, despite your sinful ways.

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Callete! Yo vivo! Tu eres el mas stupido! Lo-berry dicheme.

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If your comments and diatribe were limited to the above, then your post would be justified. But your comments and diatribe are not. You essentially refuse to discuss anything with anyone who is not a right-wing R on an intellectual level, and instead respond with Byrd this, Kennedy that, these are the people you follow crap.

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"I was only talking about Zioinist leaders when I responded to your statement by saying "well, your religion is filled with murdering bigots."

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You need to let people know which translator page they should use.

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No, it obviously does not.

Stop and think whether the fact that Wonk and I agree on this -- one of whom you know personally, the other of whom you know a fair amount about -- indicates that, even if you mean to limit your comments in the manner you suggest, you are failing to do that.

In other words - when (what you claim is) your message doesn't get through to the audience, it may not be the audience's fault.

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It's your hysterical ranting. I'd just like to separate the political penske from the personal penske. It doesn't bother me when your socks froth at the mouth and spout irresponsible lunacy, but it does sort of bother me when it's your primary. Maybe we need an intervention to make you start socking again? I think you need the outlet.

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Dissent. I am trying to inspire you to a place where you realise that it is okay to empower yourself to lead your ideological soulmates to a higher plain and not follow these gods and sinful charlatans who have abused you with their kool aid and plantation style politics. Rise up Sidd, I know you are better than those who betray your trust and your vote. [cyber cuddle] Because. I. care. [/cyber cuddle]

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Cite please? I am a spiritual zionist in my soul and my posts indicate as much. FWIW, I have frequently considered conversion, but some of the holiday cuisine is a little off putting. No offence.

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You democrats. Always with the politics of personal destruction. Nice.