Calling Penske Out
 

Which part of the obvious disclaimers don't you understand? IRL, when someone makes a disparaging remark about republicans, like back in November when you overheard someone say something to the effect of "only an idiot would vote for bush" and if you didn't hear, PM Thurgreed and he will assert it for you, did you correct them. "Now that's not fair, there are lots of plainly intelligent people who voted for Bush"? I doubt it.

Further evidence that you are not someone I am directing the criticism at is, no offence, you don't have skin thick enough to be in political leadership if you take this stuff this personally.

Calling Penske Out
 

I was giving an example of the type of comment you would make, in response to what Wonk said. NOt suggesting that the comment would be about Zionists in particular.

Calling Penske Out
 

the babyjesuschristsuperstar was a misunderstood and denounced rebel too. Like your boy Chavez.

Calling Penske Out
 

Once again, consider the possibility that if multiple people who you know not to be pussies are finding your message to be other than what (you claim to) intend, that the fault is in what you say, not in how they/we take it.

Perhaps you are failing to make disclaimers, or the level of vitriol you spout overwhelms any cursory disclaimers you might make.

Or, perhaps, you really do believe that Democrats are stupid, and not worthy of having an intellectual discussion with because, after all, well, Byrd. (Similar to Ann Coulter's view -- why talk to a liberal, unless you really have to?) I haven't met you in person, but frmo your comments here, I think this paragraph more accurately reflects what you really feel, and I regard your claims that "it's only about the party leadership" to be utter bullshit.


If I were thin-skinned, I would have the same feelings about the comments by Slave, Club, etc. Yet I don't. I can have rational discussions with them. I can have vitriolic discussions with them. Yet I've never come to the conclusion that either of them actually holds all Democrats in disgust and disdain. That is exactly the conclusion that I've reached about you.

But I'm sure it's just my fault. And Wonk's. And SS's. Right?

Calling Penske Out
 

And who or what group would it be about? Murders? Evaders of responsibility to society? Rapists? Perjurers? Other high criminals and Felons? Racists? Terrorists? Communists? radical socialists? Oppressors of Freedom? People who drive 55 in the passing lane?

If so, you are correct, those are all objectively bad and absolutely morally empty and evil people and I decry them and their anti-social satanic ways.

People with honest philosophies, ideas, beliefs and PoVs of any stripe, except the above, are fine. It's a marketplace of ideas. I respect that.

Calling Penske Out
 

You know, you won't be able to post nearly as much after you're nailed to a fucking cross. The voice recognition software is still so sketchy.

Calling Penske Out
 

Apparently yes.

While, I do think the DNC and its political philoshopy is empty, anachronistic and detrimental to the country, but that doesn't mean that I think that they should be denied their first amendment rights or otherwise outlawed. And some of my best friends are dimwit......democrats. Obviously, or not, if you want to be intentionally dense, if I had such a visceral hatred of people who are registered democrats or socialists or greens etc. then I wouldn't live in a place where they outnumber me 6 to 1. I would move to Utah or someone in the south or Texas, no offence. to commune with my kind. I do have a visceral dislike of some of the parties leaders. I did recently bid on an auctioned lunch with Communist congressman Baghdad Jim McDermott, in order, if I had won, to air my grievances with his traitorous ways, yet otoh, I have friends who know him, love him, can't live without him and I respect and discourse with them, in spite of their misguided ways. What is so hard for you to understand about this?

Calling Penske Out
 

I realise that Shifter, but its enough to know that my sacrifice may be such to wash you clean of your sins. As it is I am already out $248.38 to PETA and that has not done the trick, but if a couple of nails through my apendages can save you, I am there for you.

The insurgency is Never Alone.

Close the pod bay doors, HAL.
 

Wow. Now I know how Sean Young felt in "Blade Runner."

Calling Penske Out
 

Democrats. (or "Dims", as you call us)

Decker supported the 2nd Amendment.
 

But then I'd rather be a killer than a victim.

Calling Penske Out
 

If the tone and content of your posts were remotely consistent with the tone and content of this post, then I would have no problem understanding the message you (claim to) espouse. But this post has less than 1% of the vitriol that you normally spout, and is not directed at "dims" in general, and is not the penske-stock "I don't want to have a discussion with a 'dim', so I will post a picture of Byrd and tell the 'dim' that this is his moral conscience."

Ads for why you live in Seattle, I neither know nor care. You wouldn't be the first person who for reasons of job, weather, family, or sheer enjoyment of martyrdom chose to surround himself with people he hold in disdain and disgust. Which, again, is what your posts -- your normal posts, not the ones you write when you are called on your shit and have to clean it up -- suggest to me is your real world view.


Okay, I can probably assume you don't live in Seattle for the weather. Or the tittie-bars.

Calling Penske Out
 

Batman would kick his ass. Too much technology.

Hell, the Dark Knight defeated Superman when it came down to it -- though he had the help of the Green Arrow.

S_A_M

Calling Penske Out
 

No, its not an absolute equation. Some are more guilty than others and some are kool-aided, and I absolve them and seek to offer love and guidance to help them empower themselve to the journey to the other side of righteousness. the babyjesi hates the sin but loves the sinners. Unless they are too far gone.

Take my hand Sidd, I'm here for you.

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Calling Penske Out
 

Or Alabama.

The Sirens are calling, Penske. It's time for your to commune and bring your babyjesus home.

Calling Penske Out
 

1. Please find a post where I said I don't talk to people who are registered democrats? I don't believe I have ever said or posted I wouldn't talk to Kennedy or Byrd (although I have posted that two minutes in Hillary's presence would be two minutes too long).

2. The party leadership calls Byrd its conscience. You appear to be more vested in some sort of relationship with that party that you take far more personally than I take mine with the Republicans, to the extent that I have any relationship with the Republican party, why don't you take it up with them? My point, all along is, how can these people, these leaders, this DNC, have any moral authority on any issue from a leadership standpoint, when they a Klansman as their conscience.

3. The idea that I surround myself with people I loathe and disgust me is assinine and you know it.

4. The rain in Seattle is overrated.

Calling Penske Out
 

As soon as you move to Paris , FR or Gaza, I'm there. sweet home alabama, indeed.

Calling Penske Out
 

Oh, please. I'm sure you can find enough kindred souls, people who similarly despise Dems, even in Seattle. (After all -- they sell Ann Coulter's books there, don't they?)

You seem to think that I am not actually serious about this, but I am. What you post conveys a very different message that what you claim to intend.

You can consider that, or tell me I'm an idiot for failing to understand your meaning. I don't really care, and don't have any further interest in this discussion.

Calling Penske Out
 

Not since Slave left. I am not sure, I have never seen one of her books in person, although I understand that the bookstores tend to give her books less advantageous display than those of someone like Franken. But that's a market decision that would make sense here.

I am not sure if you are serious or not, but I stand by the assertion that when taken as a whole, unless you are being wilfully dense or difficult, the intent of the message of my posts has been made clear. If you want to go back and cite the posts where I said I never talk to people who are registered democrats etc. I will be happy to reassess, otherwise the comments and context they are placed in should be clear. Certainly clearer than all the "Anyone who votes for bush is a fucking idiot" I have heard from non-party leader liberals over the last 5 years. Unless they meant and there is that level of bigotry, ignorance and prejudice in a large swath of the left wing. I tend to think not and apply a larger context to those statements.

I don't think you are an idiot, either intentuionally dense or difficult, or is that the same thing?

Calling Penske Out
 

you miss the point. Go back and reread the eggshell plaintiff case from torts. if you assult, you take the risk that you've assulted someone unexpectedly fragile. I'm with Sidd on this one.

It has a fishy smell
 

What do you know from lox, Goyishekop? The best smoked salmon these days is coming out of Norway

Dear Spanky
 

I am ready to come home. The dims tent is too small, parochial and inhospitable for me.

I apologise for leaving the reservation, sts. No more crazy Cantwell talk.

I trust Bush did us right with Miers.

Please take me back.

Yours in Free-market loving Patriotic fiscal conversatism,

Penske

Calling Penske Out
 

Thanks for getting my back. Just wait, they will be calling you out next.......



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It has a fishy smell
 

Why do you people act like fried matzoh is good? my FIL is like, "every year I can't wait for Passover for the fried Matzoh." And I'm like, do you look forward to prostrate exams?

And if you really like them (either of them) why only do them annually? there is no religous reason not to indulge more frequently is there?

DING!
 

Here in California we ran a pro-life conservative against Davis. He lost. We then ran a pro-choice Republican against him and he won by a massive land slide. I believe the difference was over 3 million votes. And it was not all that high of a turnout.

So there is 3 million of your voters right there.

It has a fishy smell
 

What do you mean by "you people"?

George Will on Miers
 

Has anyone seen this? Apologies if it's been discussed already, I don't have time to ketchup on the PB.

I don't read Will's column very often, but when I do, I never find myself wishing I had written it myself (although I would have left out the peevish mention of the McCain-Feingold bill).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100400954.html

Calling Penske Out
 

If I'm exceptionally fragile, Hank, why do I think that you are just a run-of-the-mill dick, and not someone who hold Dems in disgust?

DING!
 

I am okay with that. I think California is probably an anamoly. I am not sure there are 4-5M others around the country, just waiting for the religious right to leave. If there had been, Reagan wouldn't have needed to cozy up to Falwell.

Calling Penske Out
 

There should be an exception to the cruel and unusual limitation for these people.

Calling Penske Out
 

It's sad that you have to resort to the politics of personal destruction against me, in order to attempt to discredit my criticism of empty and immoral leadership of the demo party. You intentionally twist my words, despite my clearly asserted rebuttal of such falsehoods.

And ftr, I would rather be a big-dick, than a run of the mill dick. Hank's wife is more accommodating to the former.

Calling Penske Out
 

2. They should be shot on site, and if they survive, they should have their licenses revoked.

Dear Spanky
 

OK. However, I think we must acknowledge that the DLC is a group that we can work with and respect. The DLC supported CAFTA even with huge pressure from their own party. They sacrificed political gain for the good of the country. We need to separate the reasonable Dems from the unreasonable dems.

Dear Spanky
 

Exactly, that's what I have been trying to do all along. I am glad someone gets the message.

Calling Penske Out
 

It's only divinity because you choose to believe it. In this little game of metaphysical chess, I believe that would constitute a check. But let's not get sidetracked here.

You said:

That statement doesn't answer the question of whether or not there are absolute rights and absolute wrongs. It only defines what belief set you choose to point to. If God, as you call him, establishes what is right and what is wrong, then are you suggesting that everything God declares to be wrong is absolutely wrong?

Calling Penske Out
 

Yes, Penske. My view of what you believe is because I embrace the politics of personal destruction, and not because of what ou say. I manage to drop that political bent when I talk to or deal with innumerable other repubs and conservatives -- or, I do attack them personally, but somehow I manage to recognize that they, unlike you, do not despise all democrats.

Obviously, it's my lack of reading comprehension that is at fault here. And since no other person has expressed this view of you for at least 10 minutes, clearly it must be just me.

Enough of this -- I was attempting to do you the service of pointing out that the message you send is not the message you (claim that you) want to send. You may consider the favor withdrawn, and I will consider that I was wrong -- the message you send is exactly the message that you want to send. No need for the parenthetical in that last sentence.

Calling Penske Out
 

It's an unfair match, but Batman
Would tear Spidey assunder;
But, I must note, Spidey could take
The pansy-assed Boy Wonder.

DING!
 

Don't forget that Tom McClintock ran against Arnold (it was an open election - no primaries - everyone on the same ticket) and Arnold still won by a landslide even with McClintock getting fifteen percent of the vote. So even if the archconservatives sit it out we can still win.

A moderate Republican can win in New York (Giuliani) California, Mass (current governor), Ohio, Penn (Spector), New Jersey (Whitman) Michigan and Illinois. They would have a strong shot in Florida and Texas (depending on how many conservatives bail). I think that is a majority of the electoral college right there.

George Will on Miers
 

How sad. And yet, I suspect the right wing's fears are overstated.

I have no doubt that Miers is a right-wing Christ-o-crat, and that this -- combined with the lack of public record -- is why Bush picked her as First Among the Toadies.

Once on the bench, perhaps her lack of experience will result in her deferring to others, or seeking popularity by following O'Connor's evolution.

DING!
 

Reagan had to do it because Nixon had fucked up.

You'll see how it goes in Mass. with Romney. I doubt the support that elected him governor will be there in the primaries (if he gets that far) now that he's born again.

And how do you explain ME, NH, and RI, all of which have R senators, but voted for Kerry. There's R support there, but not religious right.