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taxwonk 10-05-2005 03:57 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
the babyjesuschristsuperstar was a misunderstood and denounced rebel too. Like your boy Chavez.
Okay. Here's a chance to clarify. This post is a response to Shifter. In what way is Chavez "his boy?"

baltassoc 10-05-2005 03:58 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yes, Penske. My view of what you believe is because I embrace the politics of personal destruction, and not because of what ou say. I manage to drop that political bent when I talk to or deal with innumerable other repubs and conservatives -- or, I do attack them personally, but somehow I manage to recognize that they, unlike you, do not despise all democrats.

Obviously, it's my lack of reading comprehension that is at fault here. And since no other person has expressed this view of you for at least 10 minutes, clearly it must be just me.

Enough of this -- I was attempting to do you the service of pointing out that the message you send is not the message you (claim that you) want to send. You may consider the favor withdrawn, and I will consider that I was wrong -- the message you send is exactly the message that you want to send. No need for the parenthetical in that last sentence.
Confidential to Sidd: While Penske is a mod, I understand that if you ask nicely, RT will put him on ignore for you, even for people who aren't sleeping with her. You may find this lowers your level of stress while reading the board. YMMV.

Replaced_Texan 10-05-2005 04:00 PM

DING!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Don't forget that Tom McClintock ran against Arnold (it was an open election - no primaries - everyone on the same ticket) and Arnold still won by a landslide even with McClintock getting fifteen percent of the vote. So even if the archconservatives sit it out we can still win.

A moderate Republican can win in New York (Giuliani) California, Mass (current governor), Ohio, Penn (Spector), New Jersey (Whitman) Michigan and Illinois. They would have a strong shot in Florida and Texas (depending on how many conservatives bail). I think that is a majority of the electoral college right there.
Uh, I think the results would change considerably if the Democratic opponent were anyone but Grey Davis. That was a fairly unique situation.

Sidd Finch 10-05-2005 04:00 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by baltassoc
Confidential to Sidd: While Penske is a mod, I understand that if you ask nicely, RT will put him on ignore for you, even for people who aren't sleeping with her. You may find this lowers your level of stress while reading the board. YMMV.
Thanks for the tip. I actually have had Penske on virtual ignore for a few months. Among other things, I find that scrolling past his posts makes getting thru the board about 10 times faster.

I wouldn't have noticed today's discussion but for reading Wonk's posts to Penske, in which Wonk made a point that I very much agree with. Of course, it can't be for any reason other than the fact that Wonk and I just can't read.

baltassoc 10-05-2005 04:00 PM

DING!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky

A moderate Republican can win in New York (Giuliani) California, Mass (current governor), Ohio, Penn (Spector), New Jersey (Whitman) Michigan and Illinois. They would have a strong shot in Florida and Texas (depending on how many conservatives bail). I think that is a majority of the electoral college right there.
You forgot Maryland (gov). And probably Virginia.

Spanky 10-05-2005 04:02 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
2. They should be shot on site, and if they survive, they should have their licenses revoked.
Since Texans are so into hunting and the second Amendment. Instead of killing animals, why just don't you guys open up hunting season on people driving slow in the passing lane. If you are in the passing lane and are not passing someone, or are driving slower than someone within a 100 hundred yards you are fair game.

It it worked in Texas we could expand the program to other states. Kind of like Charter Schools.

baltassoc 10-05-2005 04:04 PM

DING!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Uh, I think the results would change considerably if the Democratic opponent were anyone but Grey Davis. That was a fairly unique situation.
I find myself in an odd situation here: I agree with Spanky on this one. Not that a moderate Republican would win in a landslide or anything, but that a moderate republican would make a race against a decent democrat at least interesting.

Spanky 10-05-2005 04:04 PM

DING!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Uh, I think the results would change considerably if the Democratic opponent were anyone but Grey Davis. That was a fairly unique situation.
Wilson (our last pro-choice Republican governor) always blew out the competition. But when we run pro-life candidates they get blown out (Lungren, Simon etc.).

Hank Chinaski 10-05-2005 04:06 PM

Islam. A religion for throwing the bomb or 3 yards and a cloud of dust?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Thanks for the tip. I actually have had Penske on virtual ignore for a few months. Among other things, I find that scrolling past his posts makes getting thru the board about 10 times faster.

I wouldn't have noticed today's discussion but for reading Wonk's posts to Penske, in which Wonk made a point that I very much agree with. Of course, it can't be for any reason other than the fact that Wonk and I just can't read.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/20...-ammonium.html

I wonder if RT or SS or them knew this guy? Oklahoma is right up next to Texas.

taxwonk 10-05-2005 04:06 PM

It has a fishy smell
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Why do you people act like fried matzoh is good? my FIL is like, "every year I can't wait for Passover for the fried Matzoh." And I'm like, do you look forward to prostrate exams?

And if you really like them (either of them) why only do them annually? there is no religous reason not to indulge more frequently is there?
I like fried matzo, but I recognize that it's not something everybody loves. I also eat it throughout the year, usually with lox and onions.

Now you explain mortadella, ok?

Penske_Account 10-05-2005 04:08 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yes, Penske. My view of what you believe is because I embrace the politics of personal destruction, and not because of what ou say. I manage to drop that political bent when I talk to or deal with innumerable other repubs and conservatives -- or, I do attack them personally, but somehow I manage to recognize that they, unlike you, do not despise all democrats.
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Why is your use of "some of my best friends are conservative" a convincing argument for your evenhandedness but empty rhetoric when I used to rebut you in the same manner?

For some reason you are vested in the notion of me hating individual rank and file registered democrats. Perhaps you need to ask yourself why? It would be similar to me not being able to separate you and your views from Bobby Byrd's racism, but I can view things in full context. What's your interest in not doing the same? Other than politics of personal destruction?

taxwonk 10-05-2005 04:08 PM

It has a fishy smell
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
What do you mean by "you people"?
Apparently people who like to lie on their stomachs while being looked at. I'm not sure what ethnic or religious group he's talking about. That would be as stupid as liking having a finger shoved up your ass so the doc can check your prostate gland.

baltassoc 10-05-2005 04:08 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Since Texans are so into hunting and the second Amendment. Instead of killing animals, why just don't you guys open up hunting season on people driving slow in the passing lane. If you are in the passing lane and are not passing someone, or are driving slower than someone within a 100 hundred yards you are fair game.

It it worked in Texas we could expand the program to other states. Kind of like Charter Schools.
The problem with this is that hunting in the passing lane causes at least a much trouble as it prevents. At least while alive, the drivers are going 55 in the passing lane. Take 'em out with a deer rifle, and they're going 0, often in the same lane.

Not terrible in Texas, which has wide shoulders on most roads, but if this were exported to the East Coast, there'd be chaos, both from the greater number of instances, and the increased problems with each successful take.

taxwonk 10-05-2005 04:10 PM

George Will on Miers
 
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Has anyone seen this? Apologies if it's been discussed already, I don't have time to ketchup on the PB.

I don't read Will's column very often, but when I do, I never find myself wishing I had written it myself (although I would have left out the peevish mention of the McCain-Feingold bill).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100400954.html
I still love you. This is why.

Spanky 10-05-2005 04:10 PM

George Will on Miers
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
How sad. And yet, I suspect the right wing's fears are overstated.

I have no doubt that Miers is a right-wing Christ-o-crat, and that this -- combined with the lack of public record -- is why Bush picked her as First Among the Toadies.

Once on the bench, perhaps her lack of experience will result in her deferring to others, or seeking popularity by following O'Connor's evolution.
I have to disagree with Will on the fact that you can't assume she has been a victim of discrimination. If she is 61, she had to overcome serious obstacles to get where she is today. Especially in Texas where the old boys network is a strong as ever. I believe those obstacles have been seriously diminshed but there were rock solid when she began her legal career.

taxwonk 10-05-2005 04:14 PM

Shootout On the 405
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Since Texans are so into hunting and the second Amendment. Instead of killing animals, why just don't you guys open up hunting season on people driving slow in the passing lane. If you are in the passing lane and are not passing someone, or are driving slower than someone within a 100 hundred yards you are fair game.

It it worked in Texas we could expand the program to other states. Kind of like Charter Schools.
I thought you tried that in California and found that it still didn't clear up the gridlock?

Hank Chinaski 10-05-2005 04:14 PM

It has a fishy smell
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
explain mortadella, ok?
Pig tastes good?

Spanky 10-05-2005 04:14 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by baltassoc
The problem with this is that hunting in the passing lane causes at least a much trouble as it prevents. At least while alive, the drivers are going 55 in the passing lane. Take 'em out with a deer rifle, and they're going 0, often in the same lane.

Not terrible in Texas, which has wide shoulders on most roads, but if this were exported to the East Coast, there'd be chaos, both from the greater number of instances, and the increased problems with each successful take.
How about this? You set up some sort of lazer (that works automatically like those cameras that give tickets) that "paints" them with a signature mark that only can be picked up through infrared. When you get your hunting license you are given infrared goggles and then these people are fair game outside of their vehicle.

taxwonk 10-05-2005 04:16 PM

Islam. A religion for throwing the bomb or 3 yards and a cloud of dust?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/20...-ammonium.html

I wonder if RT or SS or them knew this guy? Oklahoma is right up next to Texas.
You are aware that the God of Islam is the same God as the God of the Bible, aren't you?

Spanky 10-05-2005 04:16 PM

Shootout On the 405
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I thought you tried that in California and found that it still didn't clear up the gridlock?
Funny you mention that because I was living in LA when that was going on. Most people were glad the shootings were occuring because they thought it would make the "jerks" drive less poorly. I am not kidding. Most people were not scared but happy. Only in LA.

Replaced_Texan 10-05-2005 04:17 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Since Texans are so into hunting and the second Amendment. Instead of killing animals, why just don't you guys open up hunting season on people driving slow in the passing lane. If you are in the passing lane and are not passing someone, or are driving slower than someone within a 100 hundred yards you are fair game.

It it worked in Texas we could expand the program to other states. Kind of like Charter Schools.
Well, for one, the problem isn't as bad in Texas as it is in other states (except, in evacuation situations outside of Elgin, Texas, where that 40 mile an hour asshole is still probably trying to figure out where the hell that chick in the red Ford Explorer came from). The armed populace actually makes people much more courteous on the roads than they are in other states.

Spanky 10-05-2005 04:17 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
"some of my friends .........."
I had a friend once.

taxwonk 10-05-2005 04:18 PM

It has a fishy smell
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Pig tastes good?
Most parts of it. I've just never gotten into the Mortadella.

Spanky 10-05-2005 04:19 PM

Go Arnold Go......
 
New Poll Shows Governor’s Reform Measures Leading
October 4, 2005

SACRAMENTO – A new media poll released this evening by KABC-TV in Los Angeles and KPIX-TV in San Francisco shows Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger’s reform measures leading handily.

The poll of 989 registered voters (529 likely) is the first public poll to be taken after the Governor’s campaign launched it’s TV advertising blitz and was conducted by Survey USA (for more information on Survey USA, please see Schwarzenegger strategist Mike Murphy’s blog at www.joinarnold.com). The survey was in the field from 9/30 – 10/02 and has a margin of error of 4.3%.

The results among likely voters are as follows:

Prop. 74
55% Yes
44% No
2% Undecided


Prop. 75
60% Yes
37% No
3% Undecided


Prop. 76
58% Yes
36% No
6% Undecided


Prop. 77
59% Yes
36% No
5% Undecided



The Governor’s reform agenda includes:

Proposition 74 which will require new teachers to work successfully for several years before they get tenure and a virtual job for life.
Proposition 75 which will give workers like police officers, firefighters and teachers the ability to choose whether or not money from their paychecks should be used for political purposes.
Proposition 76 which will control spending to end state deficits and balance the budget without raising taxes. At the same time, it will stabilize education funding to make sure our public schools are getting the money they need.
Proposition 77 which will allow independent judges to draw election districts instead of the politicians. It then allows voters to approve or reject those districts. It is about giving more power to the people and making politicians more accountable.

Hank Chinaski 10-05-2005 04:19 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
I had a friend once.
the one who Owned a vineyard, or the one naked in movies, or less? does Less own a vineyard?

Gattigap 10-05-2005 04:20 PM

Shootout On the 405
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Funny you mention that because I was living in LA when that was going on. Most people were glad the shootings were occuring because they thought it would make the "jerks" drive less poorly. I am not kidding. Most people were not scared but happy. Only in LA.
The phenomenon recurs from time to time. Earlier this year there were a handful of shootings on the 110 near San Pedro.

No cheering IIRC.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-05-2005 04:20 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
How about this? You set up some sort of lazer (that works automatically like those cameras that give tickets) that "paints" them with a signature mark that only can be picked up through infrared. When you get your hunting license you are given infrared goggles and then these people are fair game outside of their vehicle.
Sounds like a Dem's command-control solution to things. I'd just let RT drive as she usually does.

This prompts me to ask: If red-light cameras do not decrease accidents, can they survive rational-basis review? Should we have them at all, or are they just a driving tax?

I initially bought the idea that they, and their speeding-camera brethren, might have a deterrent effect, which overcame my belief that they were principally to raise revenue. But without even that thin reed to stand on, shouldn't they have to go?

baltassoc 10-05-2005 04:20 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
Okay. Here's a chance to clarify. This post is a response to Shifter. In what way is Chavez "his boy?"
Perhaps Penske is Irish? Or at least trying to pretend to get in good with Weed?

Confidential to Penske: the correct Irish slang is "yer man" not boy.

And which Chavez is he refering to? Hugo? Cesar? Carlos? Norma (seems improbable, except that she's the only one who is both a) an American (Texan, even) and b) alive)?

Sexual Harassment Panda 10-05-2005 04:20 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
I had a friend once.
What happened ? Did they drive in the wrong lane?

taxwonk 10-05-2005 04:21 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
If God, as you call him, establishes what is right and what is wrong, then are you suggesting that everything God declares to be wrong is absolutely wrong?
Still thinking this one through?

Hank Chinaski 10-05-2005 04:21 PM

It has a fishy smell
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
Most parts of it. I've just never gotten into the Mortadella.
It's best as an accompaniment to capicolla and a salami in a sub.

taxwonk 10-05-2005 04:24 PM

Your forgetting the benefit of putting cops out of work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Sounds like a Dem's command-control solution to things. I'd just let RT drive as she usually does.

This prompts me to ask: If red-light cameras do not decrease accidents, can they survive rational-basis review? Should we have them at all, or are they just a driving tax?

I initially bought the idea that they, and their speeding-camera brethren, might have a deterrent effect, which overcame my belief that they were principally to raise revenue. But without even that thin reed to stand on, shouldn't they have to go?
They're still cheaper than humans. And they never stop at donut shops.

Spanky 10-05-2005 04:24 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
What happened ? Did they drive in the wrong lane?
I ran out of money to pay them.

Replaced_Texan 10-05-2005 04:25 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Sounds like a Dem's command-control solution to things. I'd just let RT drive as she usually does.

This prompts me to ask: If red-light cameras do not decrease accidents, can they survive rational-basis review? Should we have them at all, or are they just a driving tax?

I initially bought the idea that they, and their speeding-camera brethren, might have a deterrent effect, which overcame my belief that they were principally to raise revenue. But without even that thin reed to stand on, shouldn't they have to go?
In Houston, our mayor and city council, over the objections of the legislature, the insurance industry, and pretty much anyone else they cared to ask, went ahead and installed the red-light cameras. We're about to start giving civil fines in the next couple of months. Local bloggers were thrilled about the WaPo article.

taxwonk 10-05-2005 04:26 PM

It has a fishy smell
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
It's best as an accompaniment to capicolla and a salami in a sub.
I just leave it out and double the capicolla.

I hear in Bologna some actually eat it breaded and fried, like a cutlet.

baltassoc 10-05-2005 04:28 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
In Houston, our mayor and city council, over the objections of the legislature, the insurance industry, and pretty much anyone else they cared to ask, went ahead and installed the red-light cameras. We're about to start giving civil fines in the next couple of months. Local bloggers were thrilled about the WaPo article.
OTOH, anecdotally, I think that redlight cameras were solely responsible for changing the regional norm around Baltimore of running red lights. I was almost killed the first time I tried to cross a street in Baltimore. The next six months were hell. Then the red light cameras were installed, and six months later, people stopped running red lights.

Spanky 10-05-2005 04:29 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Sounds like a Dem's command-control solution to things. I'd just let RT drive as she usually does.

This prompts me to ask: If red-light cameras do not decrease accidents, can they survive rational-basis review? Should we have them at all, or are they just a driving tax?

I initially bought the idea that they, and their speeding-camera brethren, might have a deterrent effect, which overcame my belief that they were principally to raise revenue. But without even that thin reed to stand on, shouldn't they have to go?
As someone who went to law school mainly to deal with all my traffic citations, I am way to close to this one to give a measured, thoughtful and unemotional analysis. However, I did hear that if you get one of these in the mail and just ignore it then nothing will happen. The reason I heard was because you have never been served properly. This is why cops force you to sign a ticket when they give it to you. They can't do that when it just comes in the mail. However, this does not seem necessary for parking citations, so who knows.

Secret_Agent_Man 10-05-2005 04:31 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by baltassoc
Confidential to Sidd: While Penske is a mod, I understand that if you ask nicely, RT will put him on ignore for you, even for people who aren't sleeping with her. You may find this lowers your level of stress while reading the board. YMMV.
Gentlemen do not kiss and tell.

I had wondered, however, if you were singing to each other in your sig lines.

S_A_M

Replaced_Texan 10-05-2005 04:31 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by baltassoc
OTOH, anecdotally, I think that redlight cameras were solely responsible for changing the regional norm around Baltimore of running red lights. I was almost killed the first time I tried to cross a street in Baltimore. The next six months were hell. Then the red light cameras were installed, and six months later, people stopped running red lights.
I vaguely recall either red-light or radar cameras in Dallas maybe ten or fifteen years ago. Result: a lot of shot out cameras.

Spanky 10-05-2005 04:34 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I vaguely recall either red-light or radar cameras in Dallas maybe ten or fifteen years ago. Result: a lot of shot out cameras.
Classic. I am now seeing gun rights in a whole new light.


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