Calling Penske Out
 

Why would the insurance industry be against this? They supported the 55 speed limit, seat bealt laws, helmut laws etc.

Your forgetting the benefit of putting cops out of work
 

Presumptive guilt is cheaper than trials, too.

Calling Penske Out
 

Hunh. Houston is even more cosmopolitan than I thought.

Go Arnold Go......
 

Can you cut and paste descriptions from a source that doesn't like them, so that we can get a more comprehensive idea of what they involve? Gracias.

Calling Penske Out
 

That would be on of those German Helmets with the little pointy cross on the top that bikers often wear.

Calling Penske Out
 

Not true. At least in DC (and I think this is the case in surrounding jurisdictions), the fine is against the car owner and the car. The ticket is sent to the owner. The owner can sign an affidavit that someone else was driving, or pay the fine. Not paying means the fine shows up next time you try to register. There are no consequences for the ticket other than the fine, however (like a parking ticket), which may save the gov't. That said, if your argument works, what are you going to do about it when they don't let you reregister your car? Claim "sufficiency of service"?

Go Arnold Go......
 

Now you are sounding like Ty. Do your own research.

Calling Penske Out
 

2. Anything that allows them to rat out bad drivers is a good idea to them. Although maybe if the cameras meant less actual police enforcement, with a charge against the driver, they were concerned that it would diminish info about bad driving.

George Will on Miers
 

Absolutely. She, like O'Connor, was at the top of her law school class but couldn't find a job when she graduated.

Calling Penske Out
 

I think it had to do with the fact that the insurance companies aren't getting the data, since the fines are civil, not criminal, (Texas ACLU blogger, Grits for Breakfast, has some analysis on contesting the tickets on that basis (if you follow his links, you'll see a lot more discussion on the cameras)), so it does them no good in analyzing who might be a dangerous driver.

ETA: Here's the link with the explanation of the insurance industry's objection: http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/004610.html

Calling Penske Out
 

Just something I heard. Of course when I got mine I paid it. The cameras were amazing. Picture of me in the car from a few angles, close up of the license, close up of my face, etc.

Calling Penske Out
 

Funny, I don't think he responded to this one. Of course, sometimes it takes Penske a few hours to respond to posts.

George Will on Miers
 

Maybe it was because she wore too much makeup to her interviews.

(I kid. I probably would have left that part out, too.)

Calling Penske Out
 

In CA such tickets put points on your driving record which the insurance companys have access to. If the insurance companys did not have access to these records I would never go to traffic school.

Calling Penske Out
 

That's a pretty sorry equal protection argument. There are plenty of things we have both criminal and civil penalties for. Also, the "safer to run it in the conditions" argument is pretty weak, given that means the speed was unsafe.

That said, it raises a very fair point that it eliminates any discretion and contextual assessment. I have related elsewhere (under a sock) my story about speeding cameras in DC. Suffice to say the protest mechanism does not take into account circumstances that would ordinarily call for a police escort rather than a speeding ticket. (Nor, I'm told does it ever take into account any excuses--it's a rubber-stamp rejection of your appeal. But that's the due process issue, not the ticket in the first place).

George Will on Miers
 

More likely the hair than the makeup.

http://www.politics1.com/pix1/cab-miers.jpg

Calling Penske Out
 

By association ala 2 degrees of separation. I believe it is SS (unless it was Hank) has previously voiced support of Elian's freedom robbing kidnapping at the hands of the Red conspirators, Shake n Bake Reno, Clinton and their comrade in arms, Fidel. Chavez and Fidel are bossom buddies. Ergo, it follows SS is part of their little cabal, or at least a riff raffian co-conspirator.

George Will on Miers
 

Back in the day, though, she had a certain je ne sais quoi.

http://underneaththeirrobes.blogs.co...et_miers_2.jpg

George Will on Miers
 

quoi?

My google-fu is a bit off. That's the pic I wanted (or at least the era). Too bad it doesn't show the shoulder pads and big collar.

George Will on Miers
 

In TX, that hair is high enough to be A-OK. Probably she should have told her hairdresser to give her some fluff over her rather extensive forehead, but all in all, that is not bad hair. Is that from the 80s?

I was perusing the website of her church (now former church -- the pastor who was recently replaced at that church and several other people, including Ms. Miers, have split off and are meeting/worshipping at a hotel). God really wants to forgive me. I wish that they stuff they had up had an "updated" date so that I could tell what went up before the schism and what is post-schism. Valley View Christian Church in Dallas.

Calling Penske Out
 

Why does the insurance industry endorse special laws for Austrians?

George Will on Miers
 

What is wrong with the hair in the pic balt posted? It's even less offensive than in the pic you posted.

Calling Penske Out
 

Congrats on this Balt. Way to be classily mature and not-petty. Although in fairness, I guess you have a right to be embittered and cranky and its easy to project than deal with those feelings by looking at their real causes. Yes, my posts are stress inducing to you. Thank god and the babyjesi that you have such a stress free life and nothing else to worry about that an internet chatboard could cause you stress. But now its gone. Super.

And hey, if those bitter feelings come up again and I'm not a handy strawman you should ask your shrink if he could prescribe something for those feelings or if you'd like I know some people in your neck of the nape, I can get you a referral to a good psyche outpatient program. Let me know. Because. I. Care.

George Will on Miers
 

Same picture, different crop:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...rs_583_290.jpg

Maybe Meirs' best hair day ever.

Calling Penske Out
 

That's cold dude. Chill out.

George Will on Miers
 

I hate to be the messanger, but it seems to me like she ain't got much to work with. Look at this

http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/images...t-margaret.jpg

you'd think we could find someone with a law degree and something more than an A-cup.

Calling Penske Out
 

plus he might know the guy who blew up at an Oklahoma football game.

George Will on Miers
 

??? You are not wise in the ways of hairstyling, TX style. With enough spray and a few curling irons of different sizes, that hair could get pretty high. The higher the hair, the closer to God.

Calling Penske Out
 

Well, the difference is that the state legislature tried very hard to prevent the whole thing from happening, so it's entirely a city ordinance, which is why it's a civil fine instead of a criminal one. The ticket that the cop gave me in April for running that red light would have shown up on my insurance (had it not been dismissed on Friday for unknown reasons; I was guilty as hell). The ticket that a hypothetical camera will give me next month will be a civil fine by the city of Houston that cannot be reported to the insurance industry.

Islam. A religion for throwing the bomb or 3 yards and a cloud of dust?
 

Yes, but the god of islam's son wasn't a drunk pedophile. nttawwt.

Calling Penske Out
 

Hmm. I guess SS's request was fulfilled.

Calling Penske Out
 

Yes.

Calling Penske Out
 

Wow. That was cold. I had no idea my approval (or lack thereof) meant so much to the racist bastard. (Had you not quoted him, I'd likely still not know.)

[Penske]'s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.

DING!
 

spank, I love ya, and I know you know far more political strategy than I, but come on. Arnold is not representative of a "normal" candidate of any stripe.


As for some of the others, Spector is not a moderate. Whitman is okay but she is probably the left side of moderate, notwithstanding her book, Giuliani is somewhat of a special case, but I don't think he could beat hitlery in NY. Sadly.

Calling Penske Out
 

1 the "you're on ignore" act is best done by old schooler's like Paigow or Thurgreed. You run the risk of someone thanking you for ignoring them, or asking who you are, etc.

2 As RT's consort you have to think how hurtful the things you say are. Let RT make the criticisms. You should stick to non-controversial issues- Did you ever hear Laura Bush attack anyone personally?

Calling Penske Out
 

Let's save this one for the archives, kids.

Next time anyone calls Penske out for calling us, individually, baby killers, racists, or some such other shit, he'll attack us for poor reading skills. But when he gets tagged with a pure-ty fuckup in this regard, he freaks and goes all Kevin Bacon.

DING!
 

Got it. And Reagan went right because of Nixon. His prior couple of decades of history of writing and talking about issues that resonated with the right must have been a set up for that moment. Amazing he could forsee the need.

The people in ME NH and RI was RiNOs of the worst order. I could call myself a democrat, it doesn't make your in tune with the national party., even excepting the fringes.

Calling Penske Out
 

So, again, you are resorting to guilt by association. The two degrees of separation argument is exactly what you have been doing to me, but with respect to Robert Byrd, notwithstanding that I have never once said anything that could be favorably disposed toward Byrd.

Now, let's examine your substantive point here. You are asserting that it was wrong of the US to return Elian to Cuba. Is that an absolute wrong or a relative wrong?

Calling Penske Out
 

Don't pay and move to a different jurisdiction.

Calling Penske Out
 

Have you ever seen his work for Vogue? He was an absolute genius.