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Tyrone Slothrop 05-07-2018 02:51 PM
Re: The wrong question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 514968)
I was just in St. Louis. The city wanted to expand the limited light rail it has to connect the city with the suburbs. The amount of anger generated from white people who think that blacks will use it to come into their neighborhoods and steal and create crime is astonishing. Proposition defeated before they could even draw something up.

The white people who are against it don't look at it as something that will improve their city, create a more connected experience, move labor efficiently, be attractive to potential employers, etc. They see it as an infringement on the bubbles they have created to keep people out.

And when I say, "bubbles," I mean that streets which are technically in the city, are private streets owned by the people who own the houses on that street. They shut them down so that only people who live there can be on them. You can't even drive on them to get to the other side. They're everywhere. And the line of demarcation between this:

https://p.rdcpix.com/v04/leed95643-m...0_h770_q80.jpg

and this:

https://www.builtstlouis.net/northsi...rosample02.jpg

is regularly just a street dividing the two.

Spend some time on this site to see just how insane it is there: http://toursbyjoshwhitehead.blogspot...-st-louis.html

TM
I have never been there, but it has been my impression ever since Ferguson that local government in that area is organized top to bottom to screw blacks and preserve white supremacy, like nowhere else I know of.

ThurgreedMarshall 05-07-2018 02:53 PM
Re: The wrong question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 514972)
Being from Detroit i hadn't thought of SL as having a limited rail system. I took it from the airport downtown every time I was there (several times a few years back) and it seemed feeders went to a lot of places. But you are right there were a lot of places I had to drive, the Hill as an example. Sad, if they had a plan and funding and it was voted down simply for fear of who might be brought in.
It's really weird. They've created a situation in which White Flight has occurred within the city limits. And now they're absolutely terrified whenever they even talk about leaving their protected neighborhoods. Police are there to viciously enforce the divides. And the people forcing those divides aren't even willing to pay for that protection, so the police departments in places like Ferguson get their funding through aggressive ticketing for bullshit crimes (see: DOJ's Ferguson report).

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 05-07-2018 02:54 PM
Re: The wrong question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 514974)
I have never been there, but it has been my impression ever since Ferguson that local government in that area is organized top to bottom to screw blacks and preserve white supremacy, like nowhere else I know of.
This is absolutely correct.

TM

Hank Chinaski 05-07-2018 02:55 PM
Re: Rudy Can Fail
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 514973)
Bullshit. You asked me a question. I answered it. You wrote something ridiculous.

Everyone thinks, "Gosh, I just want to get ahead." One party is filled with people who think, "The reason why I can't is because of [people who aren't like me]."

TM
go back and reread what I wrote, or forget about it. I said there is an economic aspect, at least they believe there is, baked into their hate. You agree and seemed to question if I was saying there was no hate. I said of course there is hate. But Rave on!

ThurgreedMarshall 05-07-2018 03:02 PM
Re: Rudy Can Fail
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 514977)
go back and reread what I wrote, or forget about it. I said there is an economic aspect, at least they believe there is, baked into their hate. You agree and seemed to question if I was saying there was no hate. I said of course there is hate. But Rave on!
Fair enough. I didn't get that from the response.

And since I'm currently raving on multiple different fronts, I'll let this one go.

TM

Adder 05-07-2018 03:11 PM
Re: The wrong question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 514964)
[LIST][*]In terms of gross support, the right is losing. If everyone were forced to vote, Republicans would be murdered. Because they are losing ground, they cheat. They manipulate the voting districts and suppress the vote in ways that Democrats simply do not. (Please don't tell me that there are entrenched Democrats too. We know this. But one side is doing it at rates that simply are not comparable.) Republicans are changing the net numbers to maintain power and they are succeeding wildly.
I wonder how many people who earnestly advocate for voter ID and the like have any clue that "conservatives" in this country have been doing this at least since the Constitutional Convention (3/5ths anyone) and most especially with wild success from not long after the Civil Rights Amendments until years after the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts.

Adder 05-07-2018 03:19 PM
Re: The wrong question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 514972)
Being from Detroit i hadn't thought of SL as having a limited rail system. I took it from the airport downtown every time I was there (several times a few years back) and it seemed feeders went to a lot of places. But you are right there were a lot of places I had to drive, the Hill as an example. Sad, if they had a plan and funding and it was voted down simply for fear of who might be brought in.
We all probably know this, but legend has it that the DC Metro does not go to Georgetown for this reason. Locally, a suburban city council numbskull said as much about an extension of our light rail too and certainly some of the riff raff thinks that way, but the main drivers that may prevent that getting done are a bit broader (i.e., trains cost too much and why should the metro area get all that money that I'm not going to admit comes from them anyway).

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 05-07-2018 03:23 PM
Re: The wrong question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 514960)
More passenger rail. More passenger rail. More passenger rail.

The track is already there. We should expand the reach of the big cities and link the cities with the country to the extent possible.

And it's environmentally friendly.
The track isn't there. Too many curves for high speed.

Rail is very helpful, but it's a big job.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 05-07-2018 03:28 PM
Re: The wrong question
 
For those of you in NY or with NY roots, any good ideas for places a kid can stay over the summer - we're checking a couple local convents and a couple colleges with dorms, but it looks like my daughter will be in NY this summer for an engineering internship, and we have to find a place for her to stay somewhat last minute.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 05-07-2018 03:30 PM
Re: The wrong question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 514974)
I have never been there, but it has been my impression ever since Ferguson that local government in that area is organized top to bottom to screw blacks and preserve white supremacy, like nowhere else I know of.
I am continually amazed more people aren't shocked by the stories out of Ferguson.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 05-07-2018 03:36 PM
Re: The wrong question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 514968)
I was just in St. Louis. The city wanted to expand the limited light rail it has to connect the city with the suburbs. The amount of anger generated from white people who think that blacks will use it to come into their neighborhoods and steal and create crime is astonishing. Proposition defeated before they could even draw something up.

The white people who are against it don't look at it as something that will improve their city, create a more connected experience, move labor efficiently, be attractive to potential employers, etc. They see it as an infringement on the bubbles they have created to keep people out.

And when I say, "bubbles," I mean that streets which are technically in the city, are private streets owned by the people who own the houses on that street. They shut them down so that only people who live there can be on them. You can't even drive on them to get to the other side. They're everywhere. And the line of demarcation between this:

https://p.rdcpix.com/v04/leed95643-m...0_h770_q80.jpg



TM
These people aren't rich. That pool has to be covered manually. Fake news.

ThurgreedMarshall 05-07-2018 03:38 PM
Re: The wrong question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 514982)
For those of you in NY or with NY roots, any good ideas for places a kid can stay over the summer - we're checking a couple local convents and a couple colleges with dorms, but it looks like my daughter will be in NY this summer for an engineering internship, and we have to find a place for her to stay somewhat last minute.
How old is your daughter? Where is the internship located? How much are you looking to spend?

TM

Tyrone Slothrop 05-07-2018 03:46 PM
Re: The wrong question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 514980)
We all probably know this, but legend has it that the DC Metro does not go to Georgetown for this reason.
As I have posted here before, that is a myth.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 05-07-2018 03:58 PM
Re: The wrong question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 514985)
How old is your daughter? Where is the internship located? How much are you looking to spend?

TM
She's 21, the headquarters is just south of Times Square but she is going to be dispatched to job sites around the city (likely a lot of bridge work), and I think we're figuring it'll cost about 2K a month give or take, but are open to being told we're wrong.

sebastian_dangerfield 05-07-2018 03:58 PM
Re: The wrong question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 514968)
I was just in St. Louis. The city wanted to expand the limited light rail it has to connect the city with the suburbs. The amount of anger generated from white people who think that blacks will use it to come into their neighborhoods and steal and create crime is astonishing. Proposition defeated before they could even draw something up.

The white people who are against it don't look at it as something that will improve their city, create a more connected experience, move labor efficiently, be attractive to potential employers, etc. They see it as an infringement on the bubbles they have created to keep people out.

And when I say, "bubbles," I mean that streets which are technically in the city, are private streets owned by the people who own the houses on that street. They shut them down so that only people who live there can be on them. You can't even drive on them to get to the other side. They're everywhere. And the line of demarcation between this:

https://p.rdcpix.com/v04/leed95643-m...0_h770_q80.jpg

and this:

https://www.builtstlouis.net/northsi...rosample02.jpg

is regularly just a street dividing the two.

Spend some time on this site to see just how insane it is there: http://toursbyjoshwhitehead.blogspot...-st-louis.html

TM
People are more protective of their property values than almost anything else in their world. Even ridiculously rich people.

If you live in a city, however, part of the price for being close to everything you need, and all the other advantages of living in a city, is being part of the melting pot (in terms of both people around you and commercial and public property mixed very closely with residential).

The St. Louis people sound like they want to live in suburbs within the city.

(Why anyone would want to live anywhere in St. Louis is another story entirely...)


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