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Penske_Account 10-06-2005 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I see that the Senate told Bush to fuck off last night.

Interesting.
I see it now. Good, Bush needs to veto something. Then let it play it from there.

Or maybe they should just carry out summary judgment on these enemy combatants now for war crimes and misdeamnors before the law passes. Probably less expensive than the alternative.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 10-06-2005 11:32 AM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
A person with a wayward moral compass and inability to distinguish right from wrong would say that. Nic gif. though.
And a person who was just owned with logic would respond with a nonsensical post like yours. You have diluted your own words to the point that you are indistinguishable from paigow.

Hank Chinaski 10-06-2005 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I see it now. Good, Bush needs to veto something. Then let it play it from there.

Or maybe they should just carry out summary judgment on these enemy combatants now for war crimes and misdeamnors before the law passes. Probably less expensive than the alternative.
Several of the ones we let go have been rearrested and convicted for more terrorism. We have them, we know they want to kill us and the only defense is they haven't yet.

I don't see how one cheers for them

Bad_Rich_Chic 10-06-2005 11:41 AM

George Will on Miers
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I worked for a woman who was one of two or three in her law school class (in the 50s or 60s I think -- this was a long time ago). The prof would call on people in succession, based on where they sat -- so, moving one by one down the row of desks.

But he would skip over the women.


(To counter this blatant sexism on a grander, cosmic scale, when I taught a law school class I made sure to call on the women a lot, especially if they had nice tits.)
I had a prof in law school
Who would call on all caucasians,
And blacks, hispanics, everyone -
But he skipped all the Asians.

We students tried to determine
Why he would Asians circumvent;
As best we could all figure out,
He feared they'd have an accent.

Replaced_Texan 10-06-2005 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I see it now. Good, Bush needs to veto something. Then let it play it from there.

Or maybe they should just carry out summary judgment on these enemy combatants now for war crimes and misdeamnors before the law passes. Probably less expensive than the alternative.
Or maybe, they should give the soldiers clear and consistent guidelines on what they can and can't do. As reported to Sen. McCain by Capt. Ian Fishback of the 82nd Airborne:
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For 17 months, I tried to determine what specific standards governed the treatment of detainees by consulting my chain of command through battalion commander, multiple JAG lawyers, multiple Democrat and Republican Congressmen and their aides, the Ft. Bragg Inspector General's office, multiple government reports, the Secretary of the Army and multiple general officers, a professional interrogator at Guantanamo Bay, the deputy head of the department at West Point responsible for teaching Just War Theory and Law of Land Warfare, and numerous peers who I regard as honorable and intelligent men.

Instead of resolving my concerns, the approach for clarification process leaves me deeply troubled. Despite my efforts, I have been unable to get clear, consistent answers from my leadership about what constitutes lawful and humane treatment of detainees. I am certain that this confusion contributed to a wide range of abuses including death threats, beatings, broken bones, murder, exposure to elements, extreme forced physical exertion, hostage-taking, stripping, sleep deprivation and degrading treatment. I and troops under my command witnessed some of these abuses in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Sparklehorse 10-06-2005 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Several of the ones we let go have been rearrested and convicted for more terrorism.
Cite please?

Gattigap 10-06-2005 11:50 AM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Nice, keep beating it. Your posts are like a chimp in the zoo who spends 23 hours a day jerking off. Maybe you should go to the South if you are so obsessed with it, or maybe you are exhibiting that self-loathing thing Sidd posts about. I am fairly certain based on my daily interactions with Southerners irl, they don't want me and I don't want them. Although given a choice between the south and France.........I would choose France. The South of France. So now we can note I don't always say bad things about France or southern places.

As for the poem, its an artistic piece that captures a real angst a sizable portion of the population has with the wayward moral compass in our nation. I like a range art. This is a nice bookend to my Dung Madonna Screensaver. Interesting also, that the leftists think that a crucifix in a jar of urine is equivalent to a modern day Guernica (hi Hank!) but would mock this poem as it exposes their moral failings.

Further, if you think the sentiment in the poem is limited to the south then you are showing your ignorance of America or maybe you are just too arrogant to respect a more well defined morality than you have. I can drive 15 minutes outside of the most socialist city in America and find towns with a majority of people who would agree with that. Drive north or west from NYC or West from Chicago and you would find the same.

Finally, my urination reference was not meant in an offensive way. It is my understanding that in order for one's presence in a state to count for the Quest for 50, you either have to go to the bathroom, engaging in a commercial transaction, or having a meal in the State (but airports never count). Driving over the border and peeing quickly seems to be the most efficient score, although, for example I got Iowa by driving 5 miles over the border to Spirit Lake, buying a spark plug from a Trak Auto and a coke from 7-11.
You realize you're not making much sense here anymore, right?

My post wasn't about geography, though it did contain amusement with your devotion to a kind of gastrointestinal journal. It's about ideological affiliation.

I'm glad you liked the poem. I thought you would.

Secret_Agent_Man 10-06-2005 12:08 PM

DING!
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Hmm... Lott is breaking ranks.

I wonder if the porch party is still on.
Payback is a bitch.

S_A_M:)

Secret_Agent_Man 10-06-2005 12:12 PM

DING!
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Essentially that means, I am as smart or smarter than this lady and a Supreme Court nominee should impress me, big tyme, with their intellect.
Yep.

Reminds me of a comment from a lawyer I know who is a big man and a huge James Bond fan, who was explaining to me why Sean Connery is the only true Bond.

He said that James Bond should be able to kick his ass, but he knew he could take Moore, Brosnan, etc.


S_A_M

sgtclub 10-06-2005 12:18 PM

DING!
 
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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
'Gainst Rudy, Hill'd go down the chute
Faster than a New York minute.
And you should know it's not just me -
Lots of local Dems agree.
(That said, if she ran 'gainst McCain,
I'd probably vote Dem again.)

On a related note,
I will share this annecdote:
This morning on the subway
A young rapper made my day.
He said he wanted to be president,
And fuck both parties, he was independent!
the complexity of your meter is hot.

Secret_Agent_Man 10-06-2005 12:19 PM

And the award goes to....
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
2. Why did Clinton sexually harass ugly or fat chicks? Certainly he could have done better, and he actually did.
More likely to get some -- low self-esteem.

S_A_M

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-06-2005 12:21 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account

Gravity is everywhere too Burger and the left is not protesting or mocking that. Why?
It's not in the first amendment.

Shape Shifter 10-06-2005 12:27 PM

DING!
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub
the complexity of your meter is hot.
"Chute" and "minute" don't really rhyme.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 12:55 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
............. you are indistinguishable from paigow.
If this is a subtle attempt to get me to make a cougarish play for your affections, it is not going to work. I don't roll like that. NTTAWWT.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 01:03 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by Gattigap
You realize you're not making much sense here anymore, right?
Cite please?


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Originally posted by Gattigap


My post wasn't about geography, though it did contain amusement with your devotion to a kind of gastrointestinal journal. It's about ideological affiliation.

On its face it absolutely was about geography. Perhaps you need to choose your words more carefully so you make sense. Further, if its about ideology, I suppose if you are mocking morality or the right to have a belief system that is morally grounded, then I suppose I would rather be aligned with Roy Moore than you. It must be a sad existence to be so empty of morality, values or any concept of right and wrong. Is it this emptiness that fuels the culture of death?

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Originally posted by Gattigap

I'm glad you liked the poem. I thought you would.
I appreciate art, of all types. While I don't think the federal government should fund it, I have no problem with artistic creation or message of Piss Christ or Dung Madonna. They are provocative work worthy of the discussion that they provoke. That poem is no different. Of course, your cultural arrogance is probably based on your own vast accomplishments as a poet, so it's easier for you to look down on the arguably lesser work of such a published literary giant as yourself.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 01:06 PM

DING!
 
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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Yep.

Reminds me of a comment from a lawyer I know who is a big man and a huge James Bond fan, who was explaining to me why Sean Connery is the only true Bond.

He said that James Bond should be able to kick his ass, but he knew he could take Moore, Brosnan, etc.


S_A_M
Former Senator Fred Thompson?

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 01:07 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
It's not in the first amendment.
Show me a copy that is not beholden to gravity.

sgtclub 10-06-2005 01:08 PM

DING!
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
"Chute" and "minute" don't really rhyme.
Close enough. And that has nothing to do with meter you rube.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-06-2005 01:10 PM

Calling Penske Out
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Show me a copy that is not beholden to gravity.
Sure, after you turn water into wine.

Replaced_Texan 10-06-2005 01:12 PM

Via The Pink Dome there is an Austin American Statemen article about reactions to the short story Brokeback Mountain by Anne Proulx, which was taught in a 12th grade English class. The most interesting part of the article was this:
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But at St. Andrew's Episcopal School, the tale of "Brokeback Mountain," a short story by Pulitzer Prize-winning author Annie Proulx, didn't end there. It spilled off the pages into the school's boardrooms and onto religious message boards, dividing parents in the tightknit community and ultimately leading to the school returning a $3 million gift to one of its biggest donors.

This month, the St. Andrew's Board of Trustees officially released Cary McNair and his family from their $3 million pledge to the school's capital campaign after McNair objected to the use of "Brokeback Mountain" as reading material in a 12th-grade English class.

"Brokeback Mountain" tells the story of two male ranch hands who fall in love and have a homosexual relationship over many years. The story contains details of gay sex acts. It appeared first in the Oct. 13, 1997, issue of The New Yorker magazine, then as part of a collection of Proulx's short stories, titled "Close Range."

"St. Andrew's has a policy not to accept conditional gifts, whether it's $5 or $500,000. When the McNair family looked at their gift in a conditional manner, then the school could not accept it," said Bill Miller, who was asked by St. Andrew's to serve as its spokesman for this story.

Miller, a public relations consultant, has three children at St. Andrew's, and his wife, Catherine, serves on the board of trustees.
The controversy has spread to Episcopalian messageboards all over the country. I applaud the school for sticking to its guns and giving back the cash if the guy (who, incidently, is the son of Houston Texans owner Bob McNair) complained so much.

Secret_Agent_Man 10-06-2005 01:17 PM

DING!
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Former Senator Fred Thompson?
I didn't know he'd ever played Bond, and I think he might be a bit too homely for the role, NTTAWWT.

S_A_M

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Via The Pink Dome there is an Austin American Statemen article about reactions to the short story Brokeback Mountain by Anne Proulx, which was taught in a 12th grade English class. The most interesting part of the article was this:

The controversy has spread to Episcopalian messageboards all over the country. I applaud the school for sticking to its guns and giving back the cash if the guy (who, incidently, is the son of Houston Texans owner Bob McNair) complained so much.
Private school, the customer is always right. He should get his money back. I am not sure a book detailing any sex acts is appropriate in this context, straight or gay, then again, I only read Cliff Notes so I have no actual knowledge of what the specifics of the literature I was taught in highshcool actually contained.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 01:28 PM

DING!
 
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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I didn't know he'd ever played Bond, and I think he might be a bit too homely for the role, NTTAWWT.

S_A_M
I meant the commentator. The big lawyer.

Replaced_Texan 10-06-2005 01:40 PM

Indictment month continues?
 
Rumors flying that we may not be waiting for Fitzgerald much longer.

Sidd Finch 10-06-2005 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
The controversy has spread to Episcopalian messageboards all over the country. I applaud the school for sticking to its guns and giving back the cash if the guy (who, incidently, is the son of Houston Texans owner Bob McNair) complained so much.
The school showed a lot of integrity by returning the money (or forgiving the pledge, it's not clear which). But they really did it to shut the guy up -- a worthwhile end, but any suggestion that he was entitled to return of a gift when the gift did not include any express conditions is just plain wrong.

Sidd Finch 10-06-2005 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
The school showed a lot of integrity by returning the money (or forgiving the pledge, it's not clear which). But they really did it to shut the guy up -- a worthwhile end, but any suggestion that he was entitled to return of a gift when the gift did not include any express conditions is just plain wrong.

Now that I've read the article, I think the donor had a legitimate beef given the school's mission statement.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 02:03 PM

Indictment month continues?
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Rumors flying that we may not be waiting for Fitzgerald much longer.

This is the biggest who gives a rat's arse of this decade. The real issue is when will Rapist-in-Chief Clinton be indicted.

http://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gifhttp://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gifhttp://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gif


BREAKING...................


FORMER FBI HEAD LOUIS FREEH: CLINTON WAS PROBLEM; 'CLOSETS WERE FULL OF SKELETONS'

No shite. Bring it on already. The country needs to confront this cancerous growth on its history, excise it, and move on to recovery.

MORE TO FOLLOW.................

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 02:09 PM

You go Pat!
 
Because of the immense damage the Supreme Court has done to our society over fifty years, seizing upon and dictating on issues beyond its constitutional province, imposing a social revolution from above, tearing our country apart over race, religion and morality, conservatives cannot take any more risks. We are too close, now, to the promised land.

Hallelulah! Just vote no! Ta Ta Harryette.

Hank Chinaski 10-06-2005 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Private school, the customer is always right. He should get his money back. I am not sure a book detailing any sex acts is appropriate in this context, straight or gay, then again, I only read Cliff Notes so I have no actual knowledge of what the specifics of the literature I was taught in highshcool actually contained.
My wife said she really gets a skimming the surface feel from you. like a condensed edition almost.

opps! that hits me too:( :(

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-06-2005 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Now that I've read the article, I think the donor had a legitimate beef given the school's mission statement.
A legitimate beef once the donation is returned?

No school that relies on donations for its livelihood will be succesful long run if it accepts donations that are conditioned on specific curricular changes. Even money to start a ___ studies department/course become pretty hazy pretty fast.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 02:10 PM

BREAKING....
 
Another nail in the coffin......

FLASH: Bill Kristol/FOXNEWS on Harriet Miers: 'I'm not convinced she's going to make it, honestly... Maybe she would do the president a favor by stepping aside'...

Stand by for Janice Rogers Brown......

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
A legitimate beef once the donation is returned?

No school that relies on donations for its livelihood will be succesful long run if it accepts donations that are conditioned on specific curricular changes. Even money to start a ___ studies department/course become pretty hazy pretty fast.
No school that relies on donations for its livelihood is going to last long if it fucks its major donors in the arse. Unless they roll like dat. nttawwt. If the mission statement sells one bill of goods and they deliver another, the school ain't going to last long.

Penske_Account 10-06-2005 02:19 PM

Open the closet!!!!
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
This is the biggest who gives a rat's arse of this decade. The real issue is when will Rapist-in-Chief Clinton be indicted.

http://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gifhttp://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gifhttp://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gif


BREAKING...................


FORMER FBI HEAD LOUIS FREEH: CLINTON WAS PROBLEM; 'CLOSETS WERE FULL OF SKELETONS'

No shite. Bring it on already. The country needs to confront this cancerous growth on its history, excise it, and move on to recovery.

MORE TO FOLLOW.................

In the book, “My FBI,” [former FBI Director Louis Freeh] writes, “The problem was with Bill Clinton -- the scandals and the rumored scandals, the incubating ones and the dying ones never ended. Whatever moral compass the president was consulting was leading him in the wrong direction. His closets were full of skeletons just waiting to burst out.”

In another revelation, Freeh says the former president let down the American people and the families of victims of the Khobar Towers terror attack in Saudi Arabia. After promising to bring to justice those responsible for the bombing that killed 19 and injured hundreds, Freeh says Clinton refused to personally ask Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to allow the FBI to question bombing suspects the kingdom had in custody – the only way the bureau could secure the interviews, according to Freeh. Freeh writes in the book, “Bill Clinton raised the subject only to tell the crown prince that he understood the Saudis’ reluctance to cooperate and then he hit Abdullah up for a contribution to the Clinton Presidential Library.” Says Freeh, “That’s a fact that I am reporting.”


This is huge. I wonder if Freeh's allegations will support charges of treason?

Gattigap 10-06-2005 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Or maybe, they should give the soldiers clear and consistent guidelines on what they can and can't do. As reported to Sen. McCain by Capt. Ian Fishback of the 82nd Airborne:
McCain's statement on the amendment, via Andrew Sullivan:
  • Mr. President, war is an awful business. I know that. I don’t think I’m naďve about how severe are the wages of war, and how terrible are the things that must be done to wage it successfully. It is a grim, dark business, and no matter how noble the cause for which it is fought, no matter how valiant the service, many veterans spend much of their subsequent lives trying to forget not only what was done to them and their comrades, but some of what had to be done by their hand to prevail.

    I don’t mourn the loss of any terrorist’s life nor do I care if in the course of serving their ignoble cause they suffer great harm. They have pledged their lives to the intentional destruction of innocent lives, and they have earned their terrible punishment in this life and the next.

    What I do regret, what I do mourn, and what I do care very much about is what we lose, what we -- the American serviceman and woman and the great nation they defend at the risk of their lives – what we lose when by official policy or by official negligence – we allow, confuse or encourage our soldiers to forget that best sense of ourselves, our greatest strength – that we are different and better than our enemies; that we fight for an idea – not a tribe, not a land, not a king, not a twisted interpretation of an ancient religion – but for an idea that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights.

    I have been asked before where did the brave men I was privileged to serve with in Vietnam draw the strength to resist to the best of their ability the cruelties inflicted on them by our enemies. Well, we drew strength from our faith in each other, from our faith in God, and from our faith in our country. Our enemies didn’t adhere to the Geneva Convention. Many of my comrades were subjected to very cruel, very inhumane and degrading treatment, a few of them even unto death. But everyone of us knew, every single one of us knew and took great strength from the belief that we were different from our enemies, that we were better than them, that we, if the roles were reversed, would not disgrace ourselves by committing or countenancing such mistreatment of them. That faith was indispensable not only to our survival, but to our attempts to return home with honor. Many of the men I served with would have preferred death to such dishonor.

    The enemies we fight today hold such liberal notions in contempt, as they hold the international conventions that enshrine them such as the Geneva Conventions and the treaty on torture in contempt. I know that. But we’re better than them, and we are the stronger for our faith. And we will prevail. I submit to my colleagues that it is indispensable to our success in this war that our servicemen and women know that in the discharge of their dangerous responsibilities to their country they are never expected to forget that they are Americans, the valiant defenders of a sacred idea of how nations should govern their own affairs and their relations with others – even our enemies.

    Those who return to us and those who give their lives for us are entitled to that honor. And those of us who have given them this onerous duty are obliged by our history, and by the sacrifices – the many terrible sacrifices -- that have been made in our defense – we are obliged to make clear to them that they need not risk their or their country’s honor to prevail; that they are always, always – through the violence, chaos and heartache of war, through deprivation and cruelty and loss – they are always, always Americans, and different, better, and stronger than those who would destroy us.

    God bless them as he has blessed us with their service.

Well put.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-06-2005 02:24 PM

BREAKING....
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Another nail in the coffin......

FLASH: Bill Kristol/FOXNEWS on Harriet Miers: 'I'm not convinced she's going to make it, honestly... Maybe she would do the president a favor by stepping aside'...

Stand by for Janice Rogers Brown......
You're relying on Drudge to give you hope? Desparate times indeed.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-06-2005 02:26 PM

Open the closet!!!!
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account


This is huge. I wonder if Freeh's allegations will support charges of treason?
Are you expecting him to identify skeletons about which we don't already know?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-06-2005 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
No school that relies on donations for its livelihood is going to last long if it fucks its major donors in the arse. Unless they roll like dat. nttawwt. If the mission statement sells one bill of goods and they deliver another, the school ain't going to last long.
How is he fucked in teh arse? He gave the money. He said they should change something . They said, no thanks, here's your money back.

As for his kids' enrollment, if he thinks he's not getting what he's paying for, he's free to enroll them elsewhere, and others are free not to enroll their kids.

BTW, did you send your kid to the Str8 family fat camp?

Sidd Finch 10-06-2005 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
A legitimate beef once the donation is returned?
No.


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No school that relies on donations for its livelihood will be succesful long run if it accepts donations that are conditioned on specific curricular changes.

Schools accept money on all sorts of conditions. The danger in this instance was that the donor did not impose a specific condition, but then acted as if he had. That was why I saw a problem.

But, when you give money (or pledge money) to a school that states that it is promoting christian values or whatever, you have some expectations that this will not change. (There are enormous issues of standing, etc. that would keep you from suing to get money back -- this is an area of law that I know very well -- but I'm not talking about the technical legal issues but rather the ethical ones.)



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Even money to start a ___ studies department/course become pretty hazy pretty fast.
Believe me, I know. But that haziness is not a necessity; it's the result of choices made by the recipient of the donation.

I am going to avoid talking about this too much more -- it very quickly gets into my IRL work.



Penske_Account 10-06-2005 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
McCain's statement on the amendment, via Andrew Sullivan:
but for an idea that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights.

God bless them as he has blessed us with their service.[/size]

Who?

ltl/fb 10-06-2005 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Now that I've read the article, I think the donor had a legitimate beef given the school's mission statement.
"The mission of St. Andrew’s Episcopal School is to provide an enriched academic program within a Christian environment emphasizing the fulfillment of each student’s potential."

Gays can't be Christian? Or Christians can't be gay? It's an Episcopal school, not Valley View Christian Church's school. I can't remember where the Episcopal Church is now on homosexuality, but I think that they ordained an openly gay priest or something a couple years ago.


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