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How thoughtful of you to come here, to the one last refuge I have from your personal attack, and not attack me personally. No here you attack the very basis of my home. Or is it your goal to undermine Tyrone here in his area of Moderation, so you are at the top of the admin-to-be list? In the name of all that is good I hope yuor schemes fail.

I would add that all the arguing here is not futile. Once I admit you beat me in an argument here. Once also Fluffy agreed that 2 or even more PT boats were sunk in WWII. I also believe the liberals generally agree that my arguments have exposed Ty to be a conspiracy whack-job. Further not me has convinced most of having breast implants- although some still question gender.

Carlie Brucia's body was found early Friday behind a church off Interstate 75
 

But you left out the part where it is OK to kill a human who is in his or her third trimester of gestation.

Bilmore, your natural law-esque explanation would bar someone from killing in self-defense so refine it to allow killing in self-defense so that it will make sense. However, when you do that, you are now making this distinction of innocent vs. guilty life. Once you do, the death penalty doesn't go against the principle that it is innocent human life that is to be protected. Abortion, though, violates that principle.

As for your fry his ass comment, you left out that this universal truth has always included the qualification that the human life be an innocent human life. Throughout the bulk of human history, societies have found that some acts are so heinous that the greater good was served by ending the life of those who commit these acts. It has only been in recent times that the "innocent" qualification was removed and it was all human life, however malicious and evil, was to be protected.

Funny how those who are against the death penalty are usually for abortion. You cannot kill the guilty but you can kill the innocent. You liberals have it all backwards on these issues.

Carlie Brucia's body was found early Friday behind a church off Interstate 75
 

Well, let me make their argument, or try for one....
burger says he's not so much against killing a child-killer if you knew for sure he was the killer. he raises concern that the one making the decision to "kill" may be wrong as to who is being killed.

ultimately, stripping away constitutional arguments, abortion boils down to the common sense argument, that we have little right to tell a women what to do with her womb for the next 9 months. If she chooses to have an abortion, its unlikely she'll pick the wrong womb.

Gay Marriage
 

Although I am no proponent of breeding, most everyone else in this world is. That is the reason the social institution of marriage was created in the first place. To provide a social support structure to facilitate breeding.

Throughout human history, one man and one woman have come together and created children. This has propogated the species. Somewhere along the way, people got it in their minds that it would be a good idea to have the man and the woman who could create children together to stay together for life. They called this a marriage and entering into it conferred certain legal rights and obligations.

I didn't come up with this concept. Someone else did a long time ago. But I know the rationale behind it - breeding. And it is something that every human society has adopted, although quite a few of those societies also allowed plural marriages where a man could have as many wives as he could afford to support.

So when those of you who try to argue that historical/traditional reasons somehow can be used to justify allowing gay marriage, you conveniently leave out that many societies/religions have historically/traditionally allowed plural marriage.

Gay Marriage
 

I note that if we are successful in limiting or eliminating abortion, we will need a lot of gay parents to adopt and raise the babies we save. I would prefer that they be married.

Gay Marriage
 

who's been arguing that?

If you're justifying marriage as species propogation, surely you realize you can save a lot of money by banning the impotent and infertile too.

But you've yet to answer my initial question-answer: how is the equal protection argument insufficient to distinguish polygamy?

Carlie Brucia's body was found early Friday behind a church off Interstate 75
 

well, the easier response for me is: Burger's in the pro-abortion, pro-death penalty camp. But Burger believes that a criminal-justice system is preferable to mob rule.

Gay Marriage
 

Then this forum is filled with hate mongers just like me.

Carlie Brucia's body was found early Friday behind a church off Interstate 75
 

That's sweet.

did you explain to her that the "Bad things" were more like stealing or murder? did you explain that many people don't have the extended family support she had, even within the confines of the European auto you were all in, driving to some pleasant seaside restaurant?
Did you tell her that many of the thieves were stealing to buy necessities, or to support drug habits?
Does she now kknow the inequities of a world where some must steal to eat, while others are ruining Tuxedos at fancy dress balls, and drinking Chanpaign grown for the profit of some overseas conglomerate?
Does she know the murderers might have killed in a spate of domestic violence brought on by lack of money?

Atticus, does she know that Hank Chinaski is on the docket to be sentenced for his guilty plea to having diverted some client funds last month so that his daughter could have 1/3 the xmas your niece experienced?

Carlie Brucia's body was found early Friday behind a church off Interstate 75
 

You obviously haven't read my posts.

No, I merely recognize that motive counts. If I drive poorly and kill someone, I recognize that this is not the same as an intentional taking of life. Similarly, killing in self defense means that my motive is not the killing, but the defense of my own life. (Also applicable, I think, in the "just war" scenario.)

I don't beleive that there has ever been universal acceptance of this as a moral truth. At best, at times, this viewpoint has won out over the other. That's not the same, I think.

I'm going to print this, cut it out, and frame it, and also forward it to Ag daily.

Gay Marriage
 

I like this one.

Carlie Brucia's body was found early Friday behind a church off Interstate 75
 

It was a rental car, dumbass. Domestic. There's no way I'm giving you the production rights, unless you agree to a director with a better sense of the work.

Carlie Brucia's body was found early Friday behind a church off Interstate 75
 

I wanna be a Champagne farmer.

Gay Marriage
 

Go back and read Bilmore's posts.

I am just stating the facts about the historical/traditional benefits of marriage because Bilmore brought up historical/traditional benefits of a marriage as a rationale for allowing gay marriage because it was some sort of abuse of state power to deny those benefits to gays.

I brought up this issue only because you (or some other person, you all look the same to me) said why not ban all marriages. I gave a reason why all marriages should not be banned. It is a social institution that was created to facilitate breeding. There you go. There is a reason not to ban all marriages.

However, if you read my post you would realize that I personally don't have any interest in enabling the breeding. That is what other people want. They just happen to be in the majority.

Regarding impotent and infertile, historically, that was grounds for a divorce. Again, this is because historically/traditionally, facilitating breeding was the function of marriage. I am not advocating that this be a justification for marriage. I am just stating the facts because Bilmore brought up historical/traditional benefits of a marriage as a rationale for allowing gay marriage because it was some sort of abuse of state power to deny those benefits to gays.

Provide a link to which post you are talking about so I will know. TIA.

Carlie Brucia's body was found early Friday behind a church off Interstate 75
 

It's a lot quicker just to keep making the same arguments without actually engaging the subject matter.