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bilmore 08-17-2004 03:17 PM

stem cells
 
Quote:

Originally posted by the Spartan
SS was posting about the love with Slave that dare not speaketh its name. A sad commentary to leagl's legacy here that such a progressive open statement of one poster's love for another was unceremoniously squashed. npi.
Paigow's off limits now?

Shape Shifter 08-17-2004 03:22 PM

stem cells
 
Quote:

Originally posted by the Spartan
SS was posting about the love with Slave that dare not speaketh its name. A sad commentary to leagl's legacy here that such a progressive open statement of one poster's love for another was unceremoniously squashed. npi.
I was led to believe it was a two-way street. Or a street that goes both ways, or something like that.

the Spartan 08-17-2004 03:22 PM

stem cells
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
No, people are being denied a cure because the President has made a moral decision in line with the religious views of a small but vocal minority. This is not about controlling the debate -- we have plenty of that -- it's about federal policy.
What's small? Also, why are you leftwingers so intolerant and disrespectful of all religious beliefs except those of the radical islamists? Finally, where is appropriate for the federal government to draw its funding lines? I have know some people who died of a type of cancer that has received less federal funding that stem cell research-why? Didn't they deserve to live? I have a child that has a genetic disorder that other children have died of that has received no federal funding-why? Didn't those poor kids deserve to live? The left needs to stop distorting this issue. Between the Clintons and Kerry its one lie after another.

the Spartan 08-17-2004 03:24 PM

stem cells
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Paigow's off limits now?
I miss her [sniff]

sgtclub 08-17-2004 03:25 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
RT surely knows better than I do, but I can't believe most insurance will pay for that for very long, and most people don't have that kind of money.
Well, then your SOL.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-17-2004 03:29 PM

stem cells
 
What's small?

I have it on good authority that most religious fundamentalists in this country are, in fact, midgets. BOTD!

Also, why are you leftwingers so intolerant and disrespectful of all religious beliefs except those of the radical islamists?

I suspect I go to church more often than you do. That would be a fun debate to have, no?

Finally, where is appropriate for the federal government to draw its funding lines?

This is kinda a stupid question, so put, no offense, so Wonk has my proxy on it.

I have know some people who died of a type of cancer that has received less federal funding that stem cell research-why?

Our government has some serious people working for it who try to allocate research money so that it will do the greatest good for the most. And then sometimes their decisions are thrown out the window for ideological/religious/political reasons.

Didn't they deserve to live?

Yes, unless they were Islamic terrorists.

I have a child that has a genetic disorder that other children have died of that has received no federal funding-why?

I don't know. That sounds very unfortunate in all sorts of ways.

Didn't those poor kids deserve to live?

Yes.

The left needs to stop distorting this issue.

Where's the distortion? Maybe stem-cell research would help these poor kids. Let's elect a new President so we can find out.

Between the Clintons and Kerry its one lie after another.

Sure, that follows.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-17-2004 03:30 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Well, then your SOL.
No, I would be SOL if we lived in your anarcho-libertarian fantasyland, but since we live in a democracy where most people favor having a safety net, I would as OK as I'm likely to be, barring the whole thing about being in a vegetative state and all.

sgtclub 08-17-2004 03:31 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
My National Guard dollars are being spent on devastated Floridians as we speak. A direct transfer to them, basically.

My Border Patrol monies mostly protect residents of vulnerable border states.

My military expenditures in Afghanistan are primarily protecting people who live on the coasts, in big cities. Think Osama is ever going to target Minnesota?

I think you artifically make your distinction more . . . distinct.
I'm talking about direct payments as a benefit , not some mushily defined services derived benefit. And in that vain, the Florida $ is questionnably moral.

Gattigap 08-17-2004 03:35 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
You have my point wrong. I said nothing about on someone else's dime. But I do think that I have a right to be kept in a vegetable state on my own (or my insurers) dime.
No offence, but I don't think you're really talking about a "right" anymore.

If you're really talking about limiting your life support to your dime, I doubt the state or anyone else will care about how you, in your vegetative state, choose to spend your remaining resources.

Again, this is a good feature for the fortified villa. I'm sure that you can have a separate room dedicated to it, in which you can store the equipment.

Shape Shifter 08-17-2004 03:35 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Well, then your SOL.
What happens when the embryos stop paying their bills?

sgtclub 08-17-2004 03:37 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
No, I would be SOL if we lived in your anarcho-libertarian fantasyland, but since we live in a democracy where most people favor having a safety net, I would as OK as I'm likely to be, barring the whole thing about being in a vegetative state and all.
Libertarian fantasyland I don't quibble with. But who said anything about anarchy? See that's the basic difference between us. You believe that without the government stepping in on these matters there'd be anarchy. I don't, I think we would all form whatever associations we believed necessary to fill the void.

bilmore 08-17-2004 03:37 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm talking about direct payments as a benefit , not some mushily defined services derived benefit. And in that vain, the Florida $ is questionnably moral.
So, welfare mom with five kids gets my bucks. She gets to live in a real dwelling, and the kids get to attend a school for more than a week at a time, and they are well-nourished while doing so. They are off the streets, not committing crimes, to my benefit. They become more attuned to a productive life, to my benefit ('cuz maybe I won't have to support THEIR kids). They get trained and go out and work, contributing taxes and productivity, to my general benefit.

It's no bright-line thing. It's never "she got the money, and so she was the ONLY beneficiary of my largesse."

the Spartan 08-17-2004 03:38 PM

stem cells
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What's small?

I have it on good authority that most religious fundamentalists in this country are, in fact, midgets. BOTD!

Also, why are you leftwingers so intolerant and disrespectful of all religious beliefs except those of the radical islamists?

I suspect I go to church more often than you do. That would be a fun debate to have, no?

Finally, where is appropriate for the federal government to draw its funding lines?

This is kinda a stupid question, so put, no offense, so Wonk has my proxy on it.

I have know some people who died of a type of cancer that has received less federal funding that stem cell research-why?

Our government has some serious people working for it who try to allocate research money so that it will do the greatest good for the most. And then sometimes their decisions are thrown out the window for ideological/religious/political reasons.

Didn't they deserve to live?

Yes, unless they were Islamic terrorists.

I have a child that has a genetic disorder that other children have died of that has received no federal funding-why?

I don't know. That sounds very unfortunate in all sorts of ways.

Didn't those poor kids deserve to live?

Yes.

The left needs to stop distorting this issue.

Where's the distortion? Maybe stem-cell research would help these poor kids. Let's elect a new President so we can find out.
QUOTE]

Between the Clintons and Kerry and their apologists its one lie after another.


eta: i don't go to church, i don't believe in organized religion, but i don't disrespect other's belief in the sanctity of human life-unless the life in question is Hillary's-I cannot indulge Satan's spawn

bilmore 08-17-2004 03:39 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
I think we would all form whatever associations we believed necessary to fill the void.
Isn't that what we've done?

the Spartan 08-17-2004 03:40 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Libertarian fantasyland I don't quibble with. But who said anything about anarchy? \
One of my socks, once. We have to justify the cost of the personal defence arsenal we have amassed.

sgtclub 08-17-2004 03:40 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
No offence, but I don't think you're really talking about a "right" anymore.

If you're really talking about limiting your life support to your dime, I doubt the state or anyone else will care about how you, in your vegetative state, choose to spend your remaining resources.

Again, this is a good feature for the fortified villa. I'm sure that you can have a separate room dedicated to it, in which you can store the equipment.
This whole discussion is ass backwards. A few weeks ago, I noted that I didn't think someone had the right to pull my plug on my behalf unless clearly consistent with my pre-existing intentions. No all the sudden I'm the one who wants to pull people's plug if they can't pay for it. You lefties are really good at that bait and switch.

Gattigap 08-17-2004 03:42 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
You lefties are really good at that bait and switch.
Wait! You haven't heard about our great deal on the timeshares yet!

sgtclub 08-17-2004 03:42 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Isn't that what we've done?
Not really. I assume you mean by agreeing to this form of government, but we really didn't have a choice. At least I didn't. I was born into it. Given your age, you might have.

Hank Chinaski 08-17-2004 03:42 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by the Spartan
One of my socks, once. We have to justify the cost of the personal defence arsenal we have amassed.
You should post more often.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-17-2004 03:44 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
This whole discussion is ass backwards. A few weeks ago, I noted that I didn't think someone had the right to pull my plug on my behalf unless clearly consistent with my pre-existing intentions. No all the sudden I'm the one who wants to pull people's plug if they can't pay for it. You lefties are really good at that bait and switch.
I'm confused. I thought the vegetative person/embryos were enslaving the hospital/power company unless they can pay to have the plug left in, but now you've lost me.

sgtclub 08-17-2004 03:45 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
So, welfare mom with five kids gets my bucks. She gets to live in a real dwelling, and the kids get to attend a school for more than a week at a time, and they are well-nourished while doing so. They are off the streets, not committing crimes, to my benefit. They become more attuned to a productive life, to my benefit ('cuz maybe I won't have to support THEIR kids). They get trained and go out and work, contributing taxes and productivity, to my general benefit.

It's no bright-line thing. It's never "she got the money, and so she was the ONLY beneficiary of my largesse."
If you decided this was really a benefit to you, you could certainly volunteer to make this payment, and I'm sure many others would join you. Hell, I might even kick in a few bucks for the right person. But why should it be cohersive?

Hank Chinaski 08-17-2004 03:46 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm confused. I thought the vegetative person/embryos were enslaving the hospital/power company unless they can pay to have the plug left in, but now you've lost me.
I thought it was that you and the other techno-Nazis were deleting good folks' posts.

bilmore 08-17-2004 03:47 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
If you decided this was really a benefit to you, you could certainly volunteer to make this payment, and I'm sure many others would join you. Hell, I might even kick in a few bucks for the right person. But why should it be coercive?
For the same reason strident DU'ers are paying taxes to fund the military to invade Iraq.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-17-2004 03:51 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I thought it was that you and the other techno-Nazis were deleting good folks' posts.
Wonk was justifiably upset because he always pays his bills. Something for you to remember come mid-November.

the Spartan 08-17-2004 03:56 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
For the same reason strident DU'ers are paying taxes to fund the military to invade Iraq.

Again with the DU'ers.....you've changed [sigh]

Replaced_Texan 08-17-2004 03:56 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
RT surely knows better than I do, but I can't believe most insurance will pay for that for very long, and most people don't have that kind of money.
After the insurance money runs out, usually a patient's family start depleting assets until the patient qualifies for Medicaid. Though I'm sure they'd love to, I've never heard of a hospital or nursing home pulling the plug on someone because no one was paying for the care.

Gattigap 08-17-2004 04:05 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
If you decided this was really a benefit to you, you could certainly volunteer to make this payment, and I'm sure many others would join you. Hell, I might even kick in a few bucks for the right person. But why should it be cohersive?
It's not clear to me from whence this "Lord of the Flies" bender came, but I like it. You should post more often.

I think we should pull together a collection to deposit you, together with 25 other declared libertarians, on a remote island. Sort of a "Libertarian Survivor."

Sure, the theory posits that civil society will emerge with an efficient, functioning set of mutually beneficial contractual relationships, but my $20 says that within a week, you'll be a drone commanded to build coconut monuments to Bob, God of Rain.

the Spartan 08-17-2004 04:09 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
After the insurance money runs out, usually a patient's family start depleting assets until the patient qualifies for Medicaid. Though I'm sure they'd love to, I've never heard of a hospital or nursing home pulling the plug on someone because no one was paying for the care.
I think one of my clients may have allegedly had a CNA in a SNF try to put a pillow over a patient's head once, but I'm not sure if the patient in question was in arrears, sts, nttawwt.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-17-2004 04:11 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
It's not clear to me from whence this "Lord of the Flies" bender came, but I like it. You should post more often.

I think we should pull together a collection to deposit you, together with 25 other declared libertarians, on a remote island. Sort of a "Libertarian Survivor."

Sure, the theory posits that civil society will emerge with an efficient, functioning set of mutually beneficial contractual relationships, but my $20 says that within a week, you'll be a drone commanded to build coconut monuments to Bob, God of Rain.
My money says the monument will dedicated to Milton Friedman or Ayn Rand, FWIW.

Still unclear why club thinks embryos have the right to enslave other people to pay for their freezer. Maybe it's in The Fountainhead somewhere.

sgtclub 08-17-2004 04:15 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
It's not clear to me from whence this "Lord of the Flies" bender came, but I like it. You should post more often.
My 2000+ posts are not enough? I just abhor welfare and related programs. It's nothing new, you just probably ignored the first 100 or so on this topic.

Quote:

I think we should pull together a collection to deposit you, together with 25 other declared libertarians, on a remote island. Sort of a "Libertarian Survivor."

Sure, the theory posits that civil society will emerge with an efficient, functioning set of mutually beneficial contractual relationships, but my $20 says that within a week, you'll be a drone commanded to build coconut monuments to Bob, God of Rain.
I think you are short changing society. Look at all of the private charities and all the money that flows into them. You don't think this would increase (and be more effective) if you took the G/politics out of the mix?

efs

sgtclub 08-17-2004 04:17 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
My money says the monument will dedicated to Milton Friedman or Ayn Rand, FWIW.

Still unclear why club thinks embryos have the right to enslave other people to pay for their freezer. Maybe it's in The Fountainhead somewhere.
Funny. I haven't really settled on a position on this, but I tend to side with science/progress.

Shape Shifter 08-17-2004 04:19 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
It's not clear to me from whence this "Lord of the Flies" bender came, but I like it. You should post more often.

I think we should pull together a collection to deposit you, together with 25 other declared libertarians, on a remote island. Sort of a "Libertarian Survivor."

Sure, the theory posits that civil society will emerge with an efficient, functioning set of mutually beneficial contractual relationships, but my $20 says that within a week, you'll be a drone commanded to build coconut monuments to Bob, God of Rain.
Sounds rough, but the legalized marijuana should make up for it.

bilmore 08-17-2004 04:25 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Sounds rough, but the legalized marijuana should make up for it.
Legalized marijuana makes up for so many social ills.

Hank Chinaski 08-17-2004 04:30 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Legalized marijuana makes up for so many social ills.
Parallel question:
suppose we all got thrown in prison, what would happen. I think we all agree Sidd would be the first to be brutally raped, first because he's cutest and tiny, but mostly because of the lip he'd give "I show you who's bad motherfucker."

No, there not much question about that. But who would be running things? Who would have control of the black-market?

I think Larry. He seems smart.

Shape Shifter 08-17-2004 04:34 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Parallel question:
suppose we all got thrown in prison, what would happen. I think we all agree Sidd would be the first to be brutally raped, first because he's cutest and tiny, but mostly because of the lip he'd give "I show you who's bad motherfucker."

No, there not much question about that. But who would be running things? Who would have control of the black-market?

I think Larry. He seems smart.
Do you have these fantasies often? nttawwt

Hank Chinaski 08-17-2004 04:38 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Do you have these fantasies often? nttawwt
At least Ty thinks my fantasies are mainstream enough that he doesn't have to delete them. Some others may wish their fantasies were the same.

sgtclub 08-17-2004 04:45 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Parallel question:
suppose we all got thrown in prison, what would happen. I think we all agree Sidd would be the first to be brutally raped, first because he's cutest and tiny, but mostly because of the lip he'd give "I show you who's bad motherfucker."

No, there not much question about that. But who would be running things? Who would have control of the black-market?

I think Larry. He seems smart.
Depends, does Spartan get to bring the arsenal?

Gattigap 08-17-2004 04:50 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Depends, does Spartan get to bring the arsenal?
Irrelevant. Spartan ends up in the "special" wing, and as a result interactions with the rest of the population would be severely curtailed.

bilmore 08-17-2004 04:53 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Irrelevant. Spartan ends up in the "special" wing, and as a result interactions with the rest of the population would be severely curtailed.
Is "curtailed" a euphemism? 'Cuz, if it is, I think Hank already called out that role for Sidd.

SlaveNoMore 08-17-2004 04:54 PM

Walter Williams on Taxes
 
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[iGattigap [/i]
Irrelevant. Spartan ends up in the "special" wing, and as a result interactions with the rest of the population would be severely curtailed.
Would he also go by the name "Multiple Miggs"?


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